Lincoln are awful away from home and play 1 up front with a midfield full of defenders and defensive midfielders
if the game was still going on now we wouldn't have scored.
our away following (160 odd) was poor. We too 600+ to barnet and Luton.
ive seen welling a few times this season and have been impressed. yesterday was the first time Faz had a bad game for you. Newton our left back had him on toast all game
good luck for the rest of the season
-- Edited by Trisimp on Sunday 3rd of November 2013 09:05:14 PM
Thanks Mate...yes Faz has different games depending on the opposition...if he is allowed to get forwards he can really make a difference to the attack...other games he has to sit deeper to try to keep the opposition at bay....
I thought that there would be more of you...only if you look at a proportion of the 'home gate' although it certainly beats three from Thurrock a couple of years back!!
We were talking yesterday that the gap between the 'Full Time' Ex league Clubs and teams like us 'appears' to be not as big as we thought it would be...although there is a long way to go
Our first and only priority is enough points to be safe next year and I think we are a good way to that already
Yesterday I thought you looked dangerous going forwards and then the end product was (luckily for us) lacking....Your a BIG team in terms of height too!!
Goos luck to you too and come and say hello at the WUSA desk near the entrance when you see us next
Good luck to you too and come and say hello at the WUSA desk near the entrance when you see us next
Are you assuming he will be able to get to you? Sadly this segregation lark is creeping into too many matches...like yesterday when there was no real need whatsoever.
The part time thing only really shows when there are many games in quick succession...when the part-timers tend to tire.
Well the police need to sort their "facts" out then.
They can only go on intel they receive from their counterparts throughout the country. If the club were not to segregate and it hit the fan there would be all hell to pay. The police could then insist all games become segregated. The club could be forced to have police in the ground which would cost hard earned money that could be better spent on budget and improvements. I don't like segregation as apart from anything else it hits both the club and WUSA in the pocket with reduced sales in both bar and shop.
I repeat, well the police need to sort their "facts" out then.
We have been segregated several times this season away from home, and on each occasion we took perhaps 40-50 people (many pensioners, women, and kids). Is this same "intel" that perceived us to be a threat in those games? Has there ever been an incident of a Welling fan being arrested? or any trouble?
Why are Lincoln considered trouble, have I missed some massive football ruckus in recent times involving their 176 people? Does one incident from the 1990s at PVR mean its bound to happen again in 2013? Is it because they used to be in the football league, and therefore must be trouble? Everyone in the football league must be then, blimey, how do we ever manage to survive. Going to non-league football is bordering on serving on the front line if police intel were to be believed.
It's all paranoia.
You are no more likely to have it kicking off with Lincoln, Barnet, Gateshead or Brislington. The most idiotic, abusive, neanderthal lot I have seen this season was away to Brislington, and it wasn't segregated, nor was it policed, nor were there stewards that did anything when people invaded the pitch and/or threw smoke bombs onto the pitch. Where was the intel then?
I am sure Lincoln were just as friendly, or unfriendly, as every other away group to come to PVR. The only difference with Lincoln was there were more of them. But 176 shouldn't be a reason to cage them. Dartford and Chelmsford have brought 4-500plus in the past and we've never been segregated and that's with a much closer rivalry, angry relationship, history of games and banter, etc etc.
Not the clubs fault, just those in the ivory towers with their red tape.
-- Edited by Kevin on Monday 4th of November 2013 11:02:03 AM
Trisimp wrote:yesterday was the first time Faz had a bad game for you. Newton our left back had him on toast all game.
Maybe so and Faz may be the first to agree with you that he was a little off form, but it was one of his probing runs into the box that got the all-important goal.
Squarevanman wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Well the police need to sort their "facts" out then.
They can only go on intel they receive from their counterparts throughout the country. If the club were not to segregate and it hit the fan there would be all hell to pay. The police could then insist all games become segregated. The club could be forced to have police in the ground which would cost hard earned money that could be better spent on budget and improvements. I don't like segregation as apart from anything else it hits both the club and WUSA in the pocket with reduced sales in both bar and shop.
It is by no means an exact science and it's better to be safe than sorry. That said, Lincoln, Aldershot and Barnet were all decent atmospheres this season, like Cambridge which was not segregated.
-- Edited by Sherpa49 on Monday 4th of November 2013 11:15:10 AM
Most of the bigger clubs in this league expect and get segregation...they don't even question it as it has happened for years.
Against Cambridge I enjoyed chatting with some of their fans, same against Grimsby in the cup last year. The non-segregated approach is the pure non-league approach and we are giving in to the nonsense from the police and the men in suits.
The Welling experience is being dissolved and for no good reason. Soon the unusual highlight will be that a game is not segregated. Say a mob of nutters was descending on Welling thinking they could cause havoc because the match is not segregated...that's when the police intelligence should come into play...and that's reluctantly when a decision might have to be made at 1.30pm to segregate...for the abnormal situation...not as a rule.
The play-off game at Dartford was segregated...that has set the rule for future fixtures no doubt...and it ruined the atmosphere in my opinion!
-- Edited by Wellington Boot on Monday 4th of November 2013 04:14:03 PM
Well the police need to sort their "facts" out then.
They can only go on intel they receive from their counterparts throughout the country. If the club were not to segregate and it hit the fan there would be all hell to pay. The police could then insist all games become segregated. The club could be forced to have police in the ground which would cost hard earned money that could be better spent on budget and improvements. I don't like segregation as apart from anything else it hits both the club and WUSA in the pocket with reduced sales in both bar and shop.
Of course no-one wants trouble. And better safe than sorry I suppose, but if you take that approach literally you'd end up segregating them all.
Part of why I like non-league football is the interaction with other supporters, and players, that you don't get in the football league and above. if that goes then I think non-league loses some of its appeal.
As for the cost issue, yes policing if there were trouble costs money, but so does segregation ... we had to have more turnstiles open for instance, to allow them their own entrance.
Of course no-one wants trouble. And better safe than sorry I suppose, but if you take that approach literally you'd end up segregating them all.
Part of why I like non-league football is the interaction with other supporters, and players, that you don't get in the football league and above. if that goes then I think non-league loses some of its appeal.
As for the cost issue, yes policing if there were trouble costs money, but so does segregation ... we had to have more turnstiles open for instance, to allow them their own entrance.
I enjoy the interaction with the oppo players but I am not sure they do....!!
AFAIK segregation is normally done on police advice and not necessarily on crowd numbers. Had even a few Lincoln (or Welling) fans got involved in any silly stuff on Saturday that may well have an impact in segregation going forward and would not reflect well on either club.
My point being, is a Lincoln fan any more of a threat than a Gateshead fan, or Dartford, or Chelmo? I must have missed the dozens of Lincoln problems earlier this season.
My point being, is a Lincoln fan any more of a threat than a Gateshead fan, or Dartford, or Chelmo? I must have missed the dozens of Lincoln problems earlier this season.
And my point being that the police must have asked themselves the same question and their answer was "yes"
Problems don't happen week in week out and are less likely if segregation is in place. I can't be bothered to check but I doubt (m)any Lincoln away games have not been segregated this season....?
Last season a friendly between Lincoln and Leicester at Sincil back was called off due to trouble
There was trouble between Lincoln and Luton/Cambridge and Nuneaton in the last 12 months
Barnet police had to escort 600 imps fans out of the hive as they were still celebrating a late equalizer 30 mins after full time
We like most clubs are friendly it's just a few stupid kids causing trouble.
I do live locally and get to as many local matches as possible (unless Lincoln are away locally)
My point being, is a Lincoln fan any more of a threat than a Gateshead fan, or Dartford, or Chelmo? I must have missed the dozens of Lincoln problems earlier this season.
If you know anything about football you know Lincoln are well known for a having a mob. Just have a flick around youtube.
If Police intell also recommends segregation (and I agree with you that it's pretty flakey at times) then that's what you have to do to look after our supporters.
And the fact 1000 were crammed into a terrace meant for 600 people to the point where it was dangerous.
Oh, and some bell-pieces that hadn't been to a game all season making out they were die-hard Welling fans and singing total **** 5 yards from me.
