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Worrying article on facebook NLP about a release clause in contract of £5k?- If true surely we couldn't be that stupid could we ?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=459876047446678



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Impossible situation last summer. We wanted to retain him and he had options elsewhere. The only thing we can do to suit best parties is as we have honoured before, allow people to move on to a higher level when the offers come in.

I consider this sensible. We get 5k upfront rather than waiting for a tribunal that takes aggggeeeeeessssss.

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Yep, can't stand in his way if opportunities crop up.

Let's hope we can keep hold of him till the end of the season as he's not only a top defender, but an excellent footballer all round. Very comfortable on the ball and doesn't misplace too many passes.

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That really is stupid if we have agreed to that, or is it just pure speculation ("believed" can sometimes be wishful thinking!).  We desperately need him - at least for the next three games.  How are release clauses triggered, surely we have a say as to when we release him during the transfer window?



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Presumably, if a club offers more than the  alleged £5,000 release clause, they stand a better chance of nabbing him? Stoke up that bidding war!



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Better still, radio silence, hope no-one offers for him. Ssshhhhh

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I have to say why is it other clubs get 10's of thousands and we always get peanuts

That really pisses me off

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OMERTA elb wrote:

Presumably, if a club offers more than the  alleged £5,000 release clause, they stand a better chance of nabbing him? Stoke up that bidding war!

If the NLP is correct, if a club offers 5k then it must be accepted. No bidding war could ensue, as any other club would just have to match that clause rather than beat it. It would then be up to the player which offer he took. 

Thats my interpretation of it anyway.



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What about add-ons - sell-on clause?



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Bryan Kings KNee wrote:

Worrying article on facebook NLP about a release clause in contract of £5k?- If true surely we couldn't be that stupid could we ?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=459876047446678

 With any luck, the clause will be as effective as the one in Luis Suarez's contract!



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Don't want to lose him but if he can go as far as league one then we shouldn't stand in his way, he's done good by us and promotes the club to players still looking to make it as a league player

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I thought release figures were if a club comes in with a bid of 5k or more then the player is free to go, so it could be higher if bids came in?

I'm not sure Fraser, and his agent if he's got one, would have agreed to a higher release clause figure. Let's just hope if he does go then it's higher than the 5k.  Great player and a result we had him this season. 



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Impossible situation last summer. We wanted to retain him and he had options elsewhere. The only thing we can do to suit best parties is as we have honoured before, allow people to move on to a higher level when the offers come in.

I consider this sensible. We get 5k upfront rather than waiting for a tribunal that takes aggggeeeeeessssss.

 Yes, I understand that Kevin.  The problem is that we could wait agggeeeeeessss for the buying club to stump up the relevant fee  (and that does happen).  While I realise Fraser deserves a move based on his allegiance to, and strong performances for us, I think the Club is perfectly within its rights to insist that the 5K (or whatever it is) is cleared and verified in full and in the Club's coffers well within the transfer window before Fraser is released.  Otherwise, we could have lost a very good player with no money in the kitty available during the short transfer window to help finance an adequate replacement.  Also, it is not clear whether the speculated £5,000 release clause is only triggered if a Football League club wants him, what if a Championship or Premiership club wants him (and that is not beyond the bounds)?

My gut feeling, pure speculation, on this is that he will end up at Barnet and we will get A.A on loan or permanently as part of the deal.



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OMERTA elb wrote:
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Impossible situation last summer. We wanted to retain him and he had options elsewhere. The only thing we can do to suit best parties is as we have honoured before, allow people to move on to a higher level when the offers come in.

I consider this sensible. We get 5k upfront rather than waiting for a tribunal that takes aggggeeeeeessssss.

 Yes, I understand that Kevin.  The problem is that we could wait agggeeeeeessss for the buying club to stump up the relevant fee  (and that does happen).  While I realise Fraser deserves a move based on his allegiance to, and strong performances for us, I think the Club is perfectly within its rights to insist that the 5K (or whatever it is) is cleared and verified in full and in the Club's coffers well within the transfer window before Fraser is released.  Otherwise, we could have lost a very good player with no money in the kitty available during the short transfer window to help finance an adequate replacement.  Also, it is not clear whether the speculated £5,000 release clause is only triggered if a Football League club wants him, what if a Championship or Premiership club wants him (and that is not beyond the bounds)?

My gut feeling, pure speculation, on this is that he will end up at Barnet and we will get A.A on loan or permanently as part of the deal.

 So they get Franks and we get AA back.....thanks but I will pass on that deal.



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Wingnut wrote:
OMERTA elb wrote:
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Impossible situation last summer. We wanted to retain him and he had options elsewhere. The only thing we can do to suit best parties is as we have honoured before, allow people to move on to a higher level when the offers come in.

I consider this sensible. We get 5k upfront rather than waiting for a tribunal that takes aggggeeeeeessssss.

 Yes, I understand that Kevin.  The problem is that we could wait agggeeeeeessss for the buying club to stump up the relevant fee  (and that does happen).  While I realise Fraser deserves a move based on his allegiance to, and strong performances for us, I think the Club is perfectly within its rights to insist that the 5K (or whatever it is) is cleared and verified in full and in the Club's coffers well within the transfer window before Fraser is released.  Otherwise, we could have lost a very good player with no money in the kitty available during the short transfer window to help finance an adequate replacement.  Also, it is not clear whether the speculated £5,000 release clause is only triggered if a Football League club wants him, what if a Championship or Premiership club wants him (and that is not beyond the bounds)?

My gut feeling, pure speculation, on this is that he will end up at Barnet and we will get A.A on loan or permanently as part of the deal.

 So they get Franks and we get AA back.....thanks but I will pass on that deal.

Crikey Wingnut, it was just a bit of speculation - which is basically what this thread is. And even if it happened, I don't think for one minute that we would do a straight swap (err, as in "part of the deal").  It would have to be AA, plus dosh plus sell-on. 



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AA was consistently outstanding last season (pick of the centre halves in my opinion) regardless of Barnet's attempts to ruin him this. How soon we forget.



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Don't think we could request a player or sell on. If Fraser's release clause is 5k then that's all we will get!

Can't blame Fraser or the club for this, Fraser wants to move up if someone comes in for him, and i would rather have Fraser for half a season and risk him going for 5k than refuse to agree to the clause and not having him there at all.

Plus point for us as well as the 5k is that it shows other players that playing for Welling United will get you noticed at higher levels.

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AA was consistently outstanding last season (pick of the centre halves in my opinion) regardless of Barnet's attempts to ruin him this. How soon we forget.

 If you think that AA is/was a better defender than FF then you must be watching different football matches to me *

* That is not a slight on AA who had a good season for us but there really is no comparison

 



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Don't think we could request a player or sell on. If Fraser's release clause is 5k then that's all we will get!

Can't blame Fraser or the club for this, Fraser wants to move up if someone comes in for him, and i would rather have Fraser for half a season and risk him going for 5k than refuse to agree to the clause and not having him there at all.

Plus point for us as well as the 5k is that it shows other players that playing for Welling United will get you noticed at higher levels.

 Exactly! As far as I'm aware, he is ambitious and wants to go as far as he can. He could have signed on non contract terms and been poached on seven days notice with no compensation to Welling.

Although he has a release clause, I don't believe he would go unless it was right for him.

 



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Fraser has impressed since joining the Wings and has ambition hence from his point of view the alleged low transfer cost clause may well, if it exists, have been the difference between him signing and not signing.

From the Wings perspective being certain of having his services for at least half of the season would certainly help in amassing as many points as possible in the first half of the season thereby giving us a decent chance of retaining our place in the premier division of non league. After all if he failed to perform the other clubs would cease tracking him so he would have to keep up his performance level.

Of course none of us want to see him go but equally he deserves a crack at a higher level and we shouldn't block his progression by imposing a high transfer fee.

Should any club manage to sign him in the transfer window a friendly and a sell on clause would be a most welcome recognition of what, in my opinion, would appear to have been a fair and equitable contract negotiation during the summer.

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Wingnut wrote:
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AA was consistently outstanding last season (pick of the centre halves in my opinion) regardless of Barnet's attempts to ruin him this. How soon we forget.

 If you think that AA is/was a better defender than FF then you must be watching different football matches to me *

* That is not a slight on AA who had a good season for us but there really is no comparison

 

Can see where you're coming from in a footballing sense but I still maintain from my own perspective that AA edged it last season overall in terms of our three excellent centre halves. Part of this would be FF's injury and the subsequent need for him to have to play right back for awhile.

FF is a great player for us and is very stylish. Some of his work is unsung perhaps as this season I often notice Hudson's commitment more (especially in the air). FF reminds me of Hone (one of my favourite Wings players). Fine player that FF is I do feel his reputation is being enhanced by his status as a current player when facing comparison with some of his illustrious predecessors.

I'd be worried if I wasn't at times watching a different game to you but good debate is harmless as we know from times past!

 

 

 

 



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Last season it was AA +1 of Franks or Martin in the centre. Largely because we needed his pace. For me though, he was the stand out defensive performer.

They're different types of player. Acheampong is more physically imposing and dominant in the air, but Fraser has kicked on to another level this season and has the greater potential simply because he's the better all round footballer. Very composed and comfortable on the ball.

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I am still bothered that we only get peanuts!!!

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I am still bothered that we only get peanuts!!!

I'm sure you won't mind if we get a good replacement and a GOALSCORER with the money wink

 

Just paper talk at the moment. Hopefully we can look forward to a few more months of FF at PVR

 



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Not sure how we change that though Mark. If we were offering £1000 per week to a player we probably have more power and the ability to put a higher release clause in. As he's on a lot less we can't do that.

If Fraser does go and we've kept him for half the season, he would have helped us get a lot of points that could keep us in this league, that is worth a lot more than 5k.



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Spot on Polo. The player does hold all the power in cases like this.

Let's be honest 5k for a player as good as Fraser is robbery.....

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You get less for a defender however good they are and most of the time get very little in Non-League sadly.



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Well......so if I read this correctly.......If we paid 1k we would get more......not sure I am with that..there have been several instances in leagues BELOW us when the players have gone for 50k and above

I just think we are a bit dim.....BUT hey there you go

And yes I do want another goalscorer

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But those players that have gone for more money have not been seen as players likely to move on when they signed contracts and as such there is unlikely to be release clauses. Fraser had interest from league clubs in the summer and knowing this was clever in protecting himself by putting this release clause in his contract.

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Mmmmm..yeah true...BUT surely 15k is a reasonably small amount these days

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I can imagine its like this ...

July 2013

Day wants him to sign, others have all committed and the squad looks good. Fraser tempted by other offers, and more money, but none are quite right and some involve moving massively out of the area. If goes elsewhere might not play every week. If stays at Welling he is first choice. Day promises to let him move on if a higher club come in for him, its agreed to formalise that gentleman's agreement with a sensible, obviously meet-able, clause of 5k. Anyone wanting him 5k is small change, anyone not wanting to part with 5k doesn't want him enough or can't offer the wages he desires/deserves. Both club and player come out winners of sorts.

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MarkX wrote:

Well......so if I read this correctly.......If we paid 1k we would get more......not sure I am with that..there have been several instances in leagues BELOW us when the players have gone for 50k and above

I just think we are a bit dim.....BUT hey there you go

And yes I do want another goalscorer

 I think I need to remind you of the locality of the allotments.



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