Respect the welling views in this thread fully but not the dartford troll , i am sure he would swap places in the table, nuff said. Hyde totally deserved it tonight, good luck to them

Highlights of the match and interview with Jamie will be up tomorrow. Jamie's interview is frank and over 10 minutes long.

Braintree Away, Dorchester Away, Weston Away, Hyde Home..... Comments?

That was a total shocker.

Alex Dyer leaving has unsettled the midfield dynamic. 2 games on the spin it has been so poor.

Need a midfielder to replace Dyer and desperately crying out for a striker.....

Upto the management team to work some magic with players in and get back to basics on the park.

Keeper, excellent for our level.
Defence, excellent when all fit, not at the moment, and suffering recently, but its merely injuries.
Midfield, too many central players, not enough real width, we don't have a genuine winger. Partly due to how we choose to play, which means no Plan B when games like tonight come along.
Up front, one player, and he is currently injured. Rely too much on him, and when he is injured, knackered, or has a poor games, we have nothing.

A real winger and a real strong striker. Combine the two, £750 a week perhaps, tops. Thats unless we can get someone on a loan for considerably less. Thats 10-15k for the remainder of the season, and given the cost of relegation being more than that, and also the FA Cup money, I really don't see how that can't/shouldn't be found. Now.

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I was upset i couldnt go tonight but was at alexandra palace instead watching some gr8 snooker I was disgusted by our play on friday night vs dirtford when taking my son to his 1st game yet we still play one up top vs bottom of the table team :( all i can say is Its obvious we need fresh blood and some more strikers as it has shown we rely on ross far to much! But lets all calm down things can only get better (i hope) maybe the ref will be with us on saturday ^_^

We were relegated with 47 points last time and only three went down.

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Keeper, excellent for our level.
Defence, excellent when all fit, not at the moment, and suffering recently, but its merely injuries.
Midfield, too many central players, not enough real width, we don't have a genuine winger. Partly due to how we choose to play, which means no Plan B when games like tonight come along.
Up front, one player, and he is currently injured. Rely too much on him, and when he is injured, knackered, or has a poor games, we have nothing.

A real winger and a real strong striker. Combine the two, £750 a week perhaps, tops. Thats unless we can get someone on a loan for considerably less. Thats 10-15k for the remainder of the season, and given the cost of relegation being more than that, and also the FA Cup money, I really don't see how that can't/shouldn't be found. Now.

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 We didn't expect miracles in this league, but you've hit the nail spot on. And which asks the question even more of why we seem so reluctant to change it up sometimes, we have quality wingbacks...so stick 3 cb's on 2 wingbacks and 3 cm's with 2 up top. We actually had the players on the pitch to do this tonight at half time and if we had and still lost at least it would of showed we tried to change it up rather than looking defunct of how to break a team rock bottom with no wins down!

Excellent, thanks for the notice Tom, look forward to it.
Everyone has faith in him, I hope he reads and agrees with some of the points raised here. The fact many are repeated by so many people makes them fairly accurate I hope.

See top right of the BBC Football page ... top right of this graphic ... 

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Oh and just 1 other thing, fair play to hughes-mason, he's taken a bit of stick this season but he looked a bit lively tonight. Only problem is we lumped balls up to him likes he's roscoe!!! Lad weighs about 8st and is 5ft nothing..

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Too true, well done KHM.  I feared for him when he took that terrible tumble over the top of their defender.  That is passion - something missing from quite a number of our players this evening but not from KHM.  Also, if anybody thinks Barrie Hobbins senior is a bit of a cold fish - think again!  He was livid and spitting - don't ever doubt that he cares! Time to loosen those purse strings a mite though Bazza - otherwise we need not bother with the ground improvements.   

Don't think the fact that Hyde hadn't won before this season matters to be honest. Grimsby lost to us earlier in the season - it happens and people need to get over it. Good luck to Hyde who deserved to win but the fact that we were so poor on the night is more of a disappointment.

We all want to do well but people seem to have lost sight that had we been offered this position at this stage of the season we would have taken that so we have something to work on. FourFourTwo predicted 16th place for us at the start of the season and I would accept that - even 20th will do if it comes to it.

The final whistle stuff was all heat of the moment. The lads behind the dug out were giving it out through the game and 'voicing their disappointment' included mocking players they didn't even know the name of - "Taxi for 33" as one example after one error and another comment about "14". The pity is that I have always found Ash up for a chat about football and had they been voiced differently I am sure he would have found time for a chat about the match, warts and all, afterwards.

Yes people are entitled to voice their frustration and opinions but I didn't hear those sort of comments from regular supporters even though we were frustrated too, and would you expect PURE or any other sponsor to berate the players in that way?

I know everyone wants us to do well, but we haven't had a lot to moan about in the last four seasons, so we need to put this one to bed, move on to Saturday, get behind the team and give them the chance to play the way they can which I beleive will be good enough to get us to 50 points and beyond.

Ashford Wing wrote:

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tannoyman wrote:

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Don't think the fact that Hyde hadn't won before this season matters to be honest. Grimsby lost to us earlier in the season - it happens and people need to get over it. Good luck to Hyde who deserved to win but the fact that we were so poor on the night is more of a disappointment.

We all want to do well but people seem to have lost sight that had we been offered this position at this stage of the season we would have taken that so we have something to work on. FourFourTwo predicted 16th place for us at the start of the season and I would accept that - even 20th will do if it comes to it.

The final whistle stuff was all heat of the moment. The lads behind the dug out were giving it out through the game and 'voicing their disappointment' included mocking players they didn't even know the name of - "Taxi for 33" as one example after one error and another comment about "14". The pity is that I have always found Ash up for a chat about football and had they been voiced differently I am sure he would have found time for a chat about the match, warts and all, afterwards.

Yes people are entitled to voice their frustration and opinions but I didn't hear those sort of comments from regular supporters even though we were frustrated too, and would you expect PURE or any other sponsor to berate the players in that way?

I know everyone wants us to do well, but we haven't had a lot to moan about in the last four seasons, so we need to put this one to bed, move on to Saturday, get behind the team and give them the chance to play the way they can which I beleive will be good enough to get us to 50 points and beyond.

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You're correct of course,

BUT let's assume those people who don't know our players names have never been to a game before. They're naive, uninformed and don't realise the quality of some of our players yet, because that frankly appalling performance is all they have to base their opinions on. If they're given abuse by a club employee, the chance of them returning is absolute zero. Like it or lump it, we need new fans to generate more income so that we can boost the squad with a couple of quality additions, and reduce the risk of more performances like last night. 

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Spot on. Biting the hand that feeds especially with our level of budget is not the wisest move.

Moo wrote:

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And the substitutions were odd. Definitely needed to change it, but Guthrie and Fazakerley were by no means our worst players tonight.

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 Because we always do these days! We're more cautious now. A genuine 4-3-3 might have been better tonight.

Polo wrote:

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Not sure about the formation tonight. We were at a home to a team bottom of the league and had not won a game all season. Why play 1 up front????

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 Because we always do these days! We're more cautious now. A genuine 4-3-3 might have been more appropriate for this game. We should have flexibilty. That said the performance was so poor.. 

richie19rich77 wrote:

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I dont think this is the time to jump on the back of the managerial team, we have done extremely well to get into the position we are in, yes we are in a bad spell and heads are down. This is the time to support the team and the management, we have a small squad and we know that we have a good set of 11 players, as soon as we lose the core players we struggle.

Regarding why was Cargill taking the set pieces, he was instructed to take them when we had a set piece on the right side being a left footed player so the ball would in-swing. Also I know Barry shouldn't have done what he did, but I would rather see that which shows he cares rather then just accept a loss to the bottom side.

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 Healy ought to have been the better bet but one of his was shocking second half so maybe not. Joe was not at his best most of the game and is a little pedestrian at times. Cargill was one of the few to have a go for me second half.

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I hated 451/433 last season and the season before and i hate it even more now, far to easy to play against and isolate the striker, we have no plan B it seems if we had it would of been implemented weeks ago even if it was halfway through a game! We need to make other teams center backs work and move and you can only do that with 2 up top. I'm glad it was a tuesday night game, because if it was a saturday and we had a few roaming league fans they would never pay £15 to come back again. Tannoy man summed it up at the end "On saturday the wings entertain woking, HOPEFULLY will will see you there"

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 To be fair the formation's worked pretty well on the whole during Jamie's reign but it's definitely a more precautionary 4-5-1 these days rather than the exciting 4-3-3 period of Pugh, Pires and Cumbers. Not many play 4-4-2 anymore (though Hyde had two up top!) but far more support is required for the lone forward.

Kevin wrote:

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Jamie and Barry are no idiots, I, and everyone, should have faith they will put this right. They are the best management team we have had at the club in living memory.

Tonight's result was awful, the performance even worse, but predictable given recent form and the team we put out, along with their formation.

McClaren, two games in 12months, Cargill, subbed regularly and a centre back not full back. Doug a defender in midfield. Cumbers on the left having not played there for over a year. Guthrie up top having been playing wide right all season. Harry still looking for fitness if you ask me. The list goes on and on. Injuries yes, but a lot of square pegs in round holes.

Someone mentioned their keeper making some fines saves, lets not exaggerate, he made a couple for the cameras, and a couple of crosses that were miles off target were pushed over the bar through sheer panic on his part.

Everyone nowadays seem to play with one up front, and its cowardice. Yes we have injuries, yes we are not in great form, but if you start with a negative line up you invite teams on to you, and at home to such a poor side we got what we deserved, sod all.

I trust Jamie will give them a piece of his mind, and rightly. Let's hope Saturday proves the start of a good run, but I suspect a bollocking on its own will not be enough, some fresh blood please, and I know Jamie has been trying, Barrie and Barry, open the wallets !!!

We need changes, and now, before the season descends into one of disappointment. A real shame given the promising start.

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 Most of those players had to play we have few others at present!

Sherpa49 wrote:

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Ashford Wing wrote:

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tannoyman wrote:

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Don't think the fact that Hyde hadn't won before this season matters to be honest. Grimsby lost to us earlier in the season - it happens and people need to get over it. Good luck to Hyde who deserved to win but the fact that we were so poor on the night is more of a disappointment.

We all want to do well but people seem to have lost sight that had we been offered this position at this stage of the season we would have taken that so we have something to work on. FourFourTwo predicted 16th place for us at the start of the season and I would accept that - even 20th will do if it comes to it.

The final whistle stuff was all heat of the moment. The lads behind the dug out were giving it out through the game and 'voicing their disappointment' included mocking players they didn't even know the name of - "Taxi for 33" as one example after one error and another comment about "14". The pity is that I have always found Ash up for a chat about football and had they been voiced differently I am sure he would have found time for a chat about the match, warts and all, afterwards.

Yes people are entitled to voice their frustration and opinions but I didn't hear those sort of comments from regular supporters even though we were frustrated too, and would you expect PURE or any other sponsor to berate the players in that way?

I know everyone wants us to do well, but we haven't had a lot to moan about in the last four seasons, so we need to put this one to bed, move on to Saturday, get behind the team and give them the chance to play the way they can which I beleive will be good enough to get us to 50 points and beyond.

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You're correct of course,

BUT let's assume those people who don't know our players names have never been to a game before. They're naive, uninformed and don't realise the quality of some of our players yet, because that frankly appalling performance is all they have to base their opinions on. If they're given abuse by a club employee, the chance of them returning is absolute zero. Like it or lump it, we need new fans to generate more income so that we can boost the squad with a couple of quality additions, and reduce the risk of more performances like last night. 

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Spot on. Biting the hand that feeds especially with our level of budget is not the wisest move.

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 Vultures by the sound of it!

Jamison wrote:

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Kevin wrote:

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Keeper, excellent for our level.
Defence, excellent when all fit, not at the moment, and suffering recently, but its merely injuries.
Midfield, too many central players, not enough real width, we don't have a genuine winger. Partly due to how we choose to play, which means no Plan B when games like tonight come along.
Up front, one player, and he is currently injured. Rely too much on him, and when he is injured, knackered, or has a poor games, we have nothing.

A real winger and a real strong striker. Combine the two, £750 a week perhaps, tops. Thats unless we can get someone on a loan for considerably less. Thats 10-15k for the remainder of the season, and given the cost of relegation being more than that, and also the FA Cup money, I really don't see how that can't/shouldn't be found. Now.

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 We didn't expect miracles in this league, but you've hit the nail spot on. And which asks the question even more of why we seem so reluctant to change it up sometimes, we have quality wingbacks...so stick 3 cb's on 2 wingbacks and 3 cm's with 2 up top. We actually had the players on the pitch to do this tonight at half time and if we had and still lost at least it would of showed we tried to change it up rather than looking defunct of how to break a team rock bottom with no wins down!

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 Not exactly happy to hear we're signing a central midfielder on loan!