Falconwood_1 wrote: 

 

We have people commenting on a 'falling attendances' thread who say they weren't even at the game....

 

 

 

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If you are referring to me, unfortunately my life currently revolves around my job which involves working a lot of evenings and weekends, therefore I miss out on several games a year.

I'm sure I'm not then only one, but it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to give theories on falling attendances or come up with ideas to improve them. 

I definity think the early entry price is a fantastic idea. If it works with nightclubs, it'll work with us. If we did maybe £7/8 if you come in before 1pm or 1:30pm. Then we'd easily make the money back on food, drink, merchandise etc. It will also help reduce the queues closer to kick-off and give those attending closer to kick-off a chance to grab a quick drink themselves.
If we did implement this and so Season Ticket holders (as they work out just over £10 a game) don't lose out, season ticket holders could maybe get a free drink or programme if they turn up before 1:30pm or 1pm whichever time would be a greed, and whichever was more cost effective for the club.

At present we struggle to compete with the nearby pubs prior to 2pm(ish). If we sell more drinks prior to games, the larger bulk orders from suppliers at future games would in turn either help us boost profits at the bar, or if we wanted, maybe reduce the drinks prices a fraction in order to attract more punters to the bar.

As Polo has mentioned, I also recommend people join WUSA. It's only £10 a year and the benefits far outweigh the cost. Especially with matters like this, if it results in fairer ticket prices.

I would be amazed if cutting tickets from £15 to £9 had a positive impact. It's easy for those who have never been to a game to say they'd go if tickets were £9, that's unrealistically low and unsustainable for our attendances.

We have a core of supporters who go every week, and they would go whatever the price (within reason), this makes our price elasticity of demand very low. Cutting prices by 40% would result in those people paying less, and I'm adamant we'd get far fewer than 40% more people in, I'd suggest closer to 15%. A hell of a lot of people just aren't interested in supporting their local club. 

The reason bigger clubs in the Championship or League 1 can occasionally charge as low as us is because they have a far larger fan base and so PED is far higher.

WingsTillIDie wrote:

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King Penguin wrote:

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WingsTillIDie wrote:

Dirtford used to get a full house when they were in the Ryman leagues and moved back to Princes Park but have scared of 50-75% now they've done rip-off ticket prices like us and the rest of the conference.

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 Ha ha ha! Yep, 4,000+ every home game in the Rymans! Of course we did. 

Good to see you don't let little things like FACTS play any part in your posts.

 

Cheers!

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 Facts?... You mean like Dartford playing Horsham YMCA in 2006 in front of a crowd of 4097!...

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Quote: 'Dirtford (sic) used to get a full house when they were in the Ryman Leagues'

Congratulations on using just the one game, which just happened to be the new stadium opening day, guaranteed sell-out fixture at that, to support your ridiculous statement on our falling crowds.

Since returning to the town, crowds at PP have averaged out at approx 1,300-1,500 but I guess that FACT would not have been practical to produce the impact you required from your argument. If we apply the maths behind your assertion that attendances have fallen by 50-75% to actual figures then this must mean that previously we were attracting crowds upwards of 6,000 .....  bloody hell, we were bigger than Luton (and we never knew it)!!!

Elsewhere on this thread, several of your supporters have been speculating, quite understandably too, that your game against Luton might attract a crowd of 3,000+. Should this be the case then I assume you will have no problem with me coming on your forum (after your subsequent home game against Southport attracts the usual 600 customers) to decry the fact that Welling's support has fallen by 80% because you used to get 3,000+ crowds.  No, because that would be stupid, wouldn't it?

Still, carry on.

Davy K wrote:

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I think that Queens Parks admission fee for Unemployed of £2 is a fantastic gesture and is possibly something that Welling United could implement for next season, ID would have to be shown as it is with Students.

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 I know times are hard for some people these days (bloody tories), but i would give birth before paying £13 more than somebody sitting on the dole.

Davy K wrote:

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I think that Queens Parks admission fee for Unemployed of £2 is a fantastic gesture and is possibly something that Welling United could implement for next season, ID would have to be shown as it is with Students.

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Disagree in the strongest possible terms.

Give people experiencing tough times job seekers allowance, discounts on essentials etc, by all means. 

But if you're going to give enormous discounts on luxuries like football, you may as well do it for iPhones, 52" flatscreen TVs and the like. 

Davy K wrote:

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Not suggesting we charge £2 for the unemployed but a reduced entrance fee as with students could possibly attract more people through the turnstiles which is what we all want. Once through the turnstiles they could spend money in the bar or club shop. I know of a few Welling Supporters who couldn't afford to attend all matches as they were unemployed.

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  Dartford Charge concession price for unemployed

I don't think it is right to mock people who are unemployed via this forum,

The problem I foresee with  discounts for unemployed is "policing it. with students they have to produce their student card to get the discount, I presume we would have ask for prove of being unemployed and I do not know the best way to provide the proof.

As I have said previously I am all for the club helping those who would not ordinarily come a football match in some way and personally if we could not "police properly" I would rather the club  work with the council and issue tickets to an organisation that works with unemployed to give the opportunity of  experience of a football match.

For some un-employed people all they need is to gain experience to get back into work and volunteer to gain that experience. I am sure work needs to be carried out in the close season - if we worked along side the council we could offer the work to gain the experience, and maybe in some cases in return for say a free ticket out of the community budget that I have suggested in an earlier post.

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morph wrote:

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I don't think it is right to mock people who are unemployed via this forum,

The problem I foresee with  discounts for unemployed is "policing it. with students they have to produce their student card to get the discount, I presume we would have ask for prove of being unemployed and I do not know the best way to provide the proof.

As I have said previously I am all for the club helping those who would not ordinarily come a football match in some way and personally if we could not "police properly" I would rather the club  work with the council and issue tickets to an organisation that works with unemployed to give the opportunity of  experience of a football match.

For some un-employed people all they need is to gain experience to get back into work and volunteer to gain that experience. I am sure work needs to be carried out in the close season - if we worked along side the council we could offer the work to gain the experience, and maybe in some cases in return for say a free ticket out of the community budget that I have suggested in an earlier post.

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 Useful idea Morph given our landlords are the Council, all it needs is the appropriate people to raise it, could get a lot of benefit for all from this.

chris johnson wrote:

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Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:

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chris johnson wrote:

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Davy K wrote:

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Not suggesting we charge £2 for the unemployed but a reduced entrance fee as with students could possibly attract more people through the turnstiles which is what we all want. Once through the turnstiles they could spend money in the bar or club shop. I know of a few Welling Supporters who couldn't afford to attend all matches as they were unemployed.

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  Dartford Charge concession price for unemployed

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Shocking they should be forced to stay indoors, ideally feeling ashamed for being without work. Why should their tedium be relieved, even if it means they might come back when they work again.

  The worst post I have ever seen on a football clubs forum. Alienate some supporters and show that you are in serious need of education. You should be embarrassed  with this comment. And no I am not unemployed. 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Clearly the irony of my post passed you by. I was actually having a dig at the suggestion that coming to Welling is a luxury like a flatscreen TV.

Some of you people need a bloody good slap and tbh you should be ashamed of yourselfs.......... I am currently unemployed Yet i still have been to about 10 home games this season and even went to Dartford away even though i dont drive. I take my son to all home games and i'm proud that he calls himself a welling fan and we love the days out you can live a normal life on jobseekers (even with a wife 3 kids and a dog) but way some of you act on here maybe I shouldnt be so proud to be a welling fan.............

ps even though I think the £15 is a bit steep I wouldnt want it reduced as for me i get my son (9) in for free which helps plus its going to the club i support 

Well polo last home game it was lovely jubbly weather and still wasnt exactly packed out so only way i see it getting better is cheaper prices on the gate or more publicity to get some to come see the wings :)

I only become a welling fan as i used to go charlton a lot to watch them and one day i was running late so decided to jump of bus in welling and go see welling play a home game and was hooked str8 away and become a welling fan since until then i had never seen or heard anything about welling just by luck i ended up at pvr :) 

Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:

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chris johnson wrote:

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Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:

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chris johnson wrote:

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Davy K wrote:

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Not suggesting we charge £2 for the unemployed but a reduced entrance fee as with students could possibly attract more people through the turnstiles which is what we all want. Once through the turnstiles they could spend money in the bar or club shop. I know of a few Welling Supporters who couldn't afford to attend all matches as they were unemployed.

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  Dartford Charge concession price for unemployed

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Shocking they should be forced to stay indoors, ideally feeling ashamed for being without work. Why should their tedium be relieved, even if it means they might come back when they work again.

  The worst post I have ever seen on a football clubs forum. Alienate some supporters and show that you are in serious need of education. You should be embarrassed  with this comment. And no I am not unemployed. 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Clearly the irony of my post passed you by. I was actually having a dig at the suggestion that coming to Welling is a luxury like a flatscreen TV.

 

Nothing has passed me by and It's not irony at all, try and make sense. it's insults pure and simple at mostly genuine people who don't want to be in that position of stress and worry. Going to football is a huge release and for some people their only release. No matter what the unemployed pay to attend is up to the club and we are all welcome to have opinions on that but don't try and fool anyone and backtrack because you realise your post is a critical insult. You either need to learn more about real life or you're just uneducated because other people's struggles have clearly "passed you by".