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I think targeting schools with free or reduced tickets is a good idea. Not just to get the kids interested but the parents too. I've taken my daughter to charlton and she gets bored sitting in the same seat for 90 minutes. At welling, she can get up, wander about and never wants to leave before the end. As a result, I/we now go to most home games .

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I can't believe anyone would think Andrew's post was genuine, blimey



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I think targeting schools with free or reduced tickets is a good idea. Not just to get the kids interested but the parents too. I've taken my daughter to charlton and she gets bored sitting in the same seat for 90 minutes. At welling, she can get up, wander about and never wants to leave before the end. As a result, I/we now go to most home games .

 Well Paul did a fantastic job last season inviting schools down to PVR. For some reason it seems to have been put on the back burner.

Also with the suggestion of reduced admission for unemployed fans, I'm pondering whether to create a 'Jobs' thread in the off-topic board so that we can notify fellow supporters of any jobs we may have heard come up at work or elsewhere. As well as fellow supporters I'm sure we all know friends and family out of work at the moment as well.



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I know of two part time jobs coming up once the new turnstiles are built - they will need operators.


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I know of two part time jobs coming up once the new turnstiles are built - they will need operators.

 Well I work for TfL and know quite a few jobs and apprenticeships are coming out at the moment. I'll start a jobs thread on the off-topic board as a trial. The club could use to advertise any voluntary or part-time vacancies at the club as well. If it proves positive then admin could make it a 'sticky' thread.



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I know of two part time jobs coming up once the new turnstiles are built - they will need operators.



I would love this job as long as could watch football after letting guys in would be a friggin dream job for me ^_^ any help in this would be awesome


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Will the new turnstiles actually be used for every game? I would have thought only at a handful of games with bigger crowds?

Regarding you wanting to work on the turnstiles, I'm not sure why you are asking for help on here as no-one who posts on here is involved in hiring people to the best of my knowledge. Best bet is to pick up the phone and ring the club on 0208 301 1196. That way you get a straight answer!

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Yes polo ofc m8 just saying wouldnt be bad to get paid then be there to watch the wings play ^_^

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Polo wrote:

Regarding you wanting to work on the turnstiles, I'm not sure why you are asking for help on here as no-one who posts on here is involved in hiring people to the best of my knowledge. Best bet is to pick up the phone and ring the club on 0208 301 1196. That way you get a straight answer!

 Am surprised if no-one at the club casts their eye through this forum...a weekly visit wouldn't take much time. When there is more to do at the ground more people would arrive early...which takes us back to the new stand closed bar situation again. Reasonably priced / timed pre-match meals should be a winner. It takes time to grow a support base...it also means making the new visitors feel welcome and part of everything so that they are minded to return.



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Concessions

Having considered about thinking long and hard about this subject, I chose not to and would not like to put the following on the table as an option to be ignored. As someone who has a CSE in math (not maths as it was called back in my day), I feel confident that with my vastly superior business brain the following proposal makes financial sense and will guarantee a massive turnaround in our attendances.

It seems to me that we can group together the attending football fans into three groups, the young people, those of retirement age and the rest. If we assume the following, young people number about 10%, retired people 20% and the rest equate to 70%. At present, we give concessions to the young and the retired, the question is, what else could be done?

By giving concessions to the young, what do we get? Numbers increase, but this is not a sure thing as it is a fact that pocket money is on the decline and student fees are going up. So even if we get more of the young to come along, will they spend any money, possibly not.
Those of a retirement age however, will have more disposable income. Mortgages will be paid up, no debt hanging around their necks and changes in Pension law will give added finances to their pockets. But will they spend more money? I think not. They are too much set in their ways. Also, cast your minds back to the 70's and 80's when football hooliganism was at its prime, these people may now be of retirement age. Do we really want to reward them with a cheaper entrance ticket?
Then we have the third group, this section of society who wake up stressed every day and try their best to keep on top of the bills and in my opinion are over looked. These people are in need of a little help to recharge their batteries so that they keep contributing to society and in doing so keep the country on a sound footing.

By scrapping the concessions to the young and retired and passing it on to the real needy people, attendances will rise and more money will be spent within the ground.

Is it worth a try?



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403 last night... :(

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Couldnt go last night as son was ill but from sounds of it we played one up top yet again sigh 403 only turning up is not good and im guessing a 1/4 of them was there fans :(


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Couldnt go last night as son was ill but from sounds of it we played one up top yet again sigh 403 only turning up is not good and im guessing a 1/4 of them was there fans :(

 100 Braintree fans..........hahahahahahahaha

Don't think they have ever brought 100 to PVR - they wouldn't have enough orange ties for a start......



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BigDave wrote:

Couldnt go last night as son was ill but from sounds of it we played one up top yet again sigh 403 only turning up is not good and im guessing a 1/4 of them was there fans :(

20/30 max.



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403 last night... :(

 Don't worry. Attendances and gate receipts aren't falling. We're just imagining it apparently...



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Season has 23 home league games.
Some attendances will be lower for all different reasons especially midweek games.
Attendances as mentioned before in another post are based on seasonal average IMO.
If you think this is wrong how would you calculate ?.
Last night 403.
19 homes so far this season average attendance have a count up let me know please thanks.

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The club budgeted for an average home attendance of 800 I believe, and with Luton at home still to come we'll smash that.

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Season has 23 home league games.
Some attendances will be lower for all different reasons especially midweek games.
Attendances as mentioned before in another post are based on seasonal average IMO.
If you think this is wrong how would you calculate ?.
Last night 403.
19 homes so far this season average attendance have a count up let me know please thanks.

 If, for any reason, I had to miss one home match, last night's would have been the one that I would have chosen.

A severely depleted team playing against Alan Devonshire's style of anti-football was never going to provide an entertaining evening.



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When a neutral sees the league table and sees us mid-table it's not an attraction (despite what a great season we're having) - all about play-offs/promotion to a lot of people. Even a relegation fight might bring in curious punters. I suppose it didn't help with cold weather and the Manchester derby on TV/in pubs.

Also, when you had local papers delivered everywhere (i.e. Bexley Times) people could see for themselves the table, match reports, previews, fixtures - now you have to hunt it out online, and if you're not a fan then you won't.

Apart from the team/level of football, how do you sell the club to potential fans? Won't be the bar, or the ground, or the prices, or the exec lounge. There's loads that I like about non league football and Welling United but it won't appeal to the majority.



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The club budgeted for an average home attendance of 800 I believe, and with Luton at home still to come we'll smash that.

Indeed. Luton have been allocated 2000 tickets (I'm assuming that's the Park End and new stand) and there's every reason to expect they'll sell their whole allocation.



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Moo wrote:
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The club budgeted for an average home attendance of 800 I believe, and with Luton at home still to come we'll smash that.

Indeed. Luton have been allocated 2000 tickets (I'm assuming that's the Park End and new stand) and there's every reason to expect they'll sell their whole allocation.

 I was told last night that Luton will get new stand side and PVR end and we will get GH stand and Park end.

Something to do with the Old Bill wanting to use the community portakabin to keep an eye on things??



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We can't keep being dependant on away crowds that never turn up, whilst scaring off home supporters old and new with high ticket prices. We seem to be one of the few clubs in the country determined to make every game feel like an away game for the players, with away fans outnumbering home support. The only other club I've seen do this is Hereford who've seen there support fall from 4,000 to 1,000 within just a few years, and look where they are financially now.

We should be focusing on attracting and retaining new home support, not crossing our fingers that we're going to have 'big teams' in this league every season bringing big away crowds, only for us to get relegated, have no clubs bringing large numbers of away supporters, and to find our home supporters have been pushed away to rival Championship clubs offering cheaper tickets...

We have to trial a new pricing structure in pre-season otherwise we're going to sleepwalk into another winding-up petition. Clubs that can only fill 10% of their ground (like last night) can't survive like that forever....

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Wingstillidie i see you have chose not to answers my ?
We are not scaring off home supporters with high ticket prices where do you get your information from?.
Average home attendance this season are up on last season.



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Was last seasons ticket prices £12 for adults? We would have got the same crowd last night if we would have played last season at £12. We would not get the increase in gates needed to justify dropping the prices. As i said previously, the prices drop, Jamie's budget drops, the results get worse, gates drop even more.

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Yes WTID fully understand your frustration as do many other but its not all doom and gloom as you suggest
As Polo states things would only get worse with lower prices
We have to compete with local league sides
8th April we play Hereford , Charlton are playing Yeovil and are targeting schools with FREE Tickets
we cannot compete with that.

Incidently KOBE Designs have produced our final run in poster
I have a number of A4 copies of these should anyone wish to push these to local shops etc


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8th April we play Hereford , Charlton are playing Yeovil and are targeting schools with FREE Tickets
we cannot compete with that.



 In that case can't we play our game on the Monday or Wednesday? We already let U12's in for free so I can't believe it would be much of a financial hit to let in the 12-15 year olds for free as well! 



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Great poster Paul and Kobe designs.

Getting attendances up in the short-term is not easy, the key is getting young people hooked early. If that means letting them in free as youngsters so be it, the money will come once they are over 18 and spend £15 on the gate, as well as money over the bar. But that's medium to long term. Short-term, who knows, nothing will have massive impact in my opinion, but even an extra 30-50 per week helps.

Stay in this division and the rest will come.

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We can't keep being dependant on away crowds that never turn up, whilst scaring off home supporters old and new with high ticket prices. We seem to be one of the few clubs in the country determined to make every game feel like an away game for the players, with away fans outnumbering home support. The only other club I've seen do this is Hereford who've seen there support fall from 4,000 to 1,000 within just a few years, and look where they are financially now.

We should be focusing on attracting and retaining new home support, not crossing our fingers that we're going to have 'big teams' in this league every season bringing big away crowds, only for us to get relegated, have no clubs bringing large numbers of away supporters, and to find our home supporters have been pushed away to rival Championship clubs offering cheaper tickets...

We have to trial a new pricing structure in pre-season otherwise we're going to sleepwalk into another winding-up petition. Clubs that can only fill 10% of their ground (like last night) can't survive like that forever....

We aren't dependant on away crowds.

We aren't dependant on away crowds that don't turn up. The 2000 plus from Luton will prove that.

We aren't scaring off home supporters. The hardcore go 90% of the time, the floating fans will float. Those who don't care won't go at all.

Ticket prices are not high, they are the norm for the division.

Although some home games feel like away games because of other teams large followings we are not determined to make it that way. It is natural given where we were 10, 15, 20 years ago and where Luton, Cambridge, Grimsby, etc were.

Hereford being idiots is nothing to do with us. Look at their season since Christmas and look at ours. They'll get whats coming to them. They have not reduced the budget in live with dropping of attendances. Welling would. They have had several financial issues, we've had one. We learnt from it. They clearly haven't.

The only bit I agree with is us focusing on attracting new home support, and I'm all ears.

We don't have to trial a new pricing structure. We don't "have" to do anything. And we won't, no matter how much people moan. £15 is here to stay. Get used to it. Think of other things please.

 



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Thinking outside the box a bit here: why don't the club, WUSA or WUST consider purchasing an advertising trailer, The benefits for the club could be  the following:

Could be driven around welling and the surrounding area on match days,
Could be used as part of a display at school fetes - damson show etc
can be used as part of local parades type events as a float
A frame can use as storage area for other  promotional equipment.
Could be driven around Bexley to help promote the club
could be static at Bexleyheath high street and other locations

and at the moment found a deal online £750 new. http://advertisingtrailers.net/index.php



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Yes WTID fully understand your frustration as do many other but its not all doom and gloom as you suggest
As Polo states things would only get worse with lower prices
We have to compete with local league sides
8th April we play Hereford , Charlton are playing Yeovil and are targeting schools with FREE Tickets
we cannot compete with that.

 With regards to the free tickets to schools, I thought you did an excellent job of promoting that last season, as well as doing an excellent job on the commercial front in general. How comes the inviting schools to PVR has been put on hold this season? Particularly now the kids go free offer has been made permanent.

What we can't compete with his higher league sides offering cheaper adult matchday and season tickets.



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We didnt invite schools last year apart from the competition to design the new badge , but we have continued to occasionally put flyers into schools
The Junior teams from the local area has not been possible this year due to the poor weather and the pitch conditions , but you will see
a junior team taking penalties at half time this weekend.
A few more things in the pipeline , and the last game of the season will see some of them

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Nice to know there are new ideas in the pipeline.

No quick fix here. Get the kids hooked is the way forward. My other halves little boy made the mistake of going past the ground with his Nan Saturday and seeing the two dozen E&B&Q fans arriving for their usual home defeat. "Can I go Welling with Kebin" he said. He knows why side his bread is buttered. Target schools, youth clubs, beavers, cubs, anything.

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Nice to know there are new ideas in the pipeline.

No quick fix here. Get the kids hooked is the way forward. My other halves little boy made the mistake of going past the ground with his Nan Saturday and seeing the two dozen E&B&Q fans arriving for their usual home defeat. "Can I go Welling with Kebin" he said. He knows why side his bread is buttered. Target schools, youth clubs, beavers, cubs, anything.

 I think he wants to go back because Blondie had chocolate-iced cupcakes last time! Nothing to do with the footy smile



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We didnt invite schools last year apart from the competition to design the new badge , but we have continued to occasionally put flyers into schools
The Junior teams from the local area has not been possible this year due to the poor weather and the pitch conditions , but you will see
a junior team taking penalties at half time this weekend.
A few more things in the pipeline , and the last game of the season will see some of them

 Surely we could just contact the school directly and maybe getting their sports department to promote it. Maybe even ask if they could mention it in assembly. Mention to them as well that we're a CIC. Half the struggle in getting kids to be active in sport, is getting them interested in sport in the first place. So surely it's in the school's best interest as well.

There's a full list of Bexley Schools, Colleges, Youth Services in the link below, along with their contact details. Maybe we could mailshot them a generic letter on headed paper if we want to be a bit more professional.

As soon as we get some of the kids coming then the others will follow, as they start telling all their mates in the playground about their dayout at Welling FC.

http://www.bexley.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=3911&p=0

We have nothing to lose, and it helps create links and maybe even official partnerships with the local community.

 



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There is one fundamental problem with promoting via schools - teacher very rarely work weekends and are unlikey to be interested in bring their class to PVR. My concern going for the children market is as I have said before we have to make the experience a good one for when people come to PVR and we offer no attraction for children e-g no tuck shop no pre match play area or activities that would engage them.

We also have youth section and they do not even come on a regular basis, unless they are brought by WUST and either have a collection bucket or trophy in hand.

If want to try and attract children, the club maybe better off going for "footie type" children and have a Charter Standard Club Day and send out an invite to all local Charter Standard Clubs via the LFA or Bexley Council and allow children in free with their club kit with a paying adult/ coaches in club kit at half price or similar type offer.

Trigger is right in saying the people you want to attract are those with disposable income - how you achieve that is another matter.

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I'll put some of the flyers up at The Green shops at Falconwood.

Will anyone else on here or wusa members do their local shops?

I'll even pay for my own blutack :0)

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Thanks Falconwood J , think I can even extend my advertising budget to supplying you Blutack
That's your area covered



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