I can't comment  on yesterday cos I wasn't there, but just want to point out that cos of our poor discipline, we are probably now 'tagged' by the various referee groups/societies? Jamie needs to bear this in mind when instructing the team. Having been a qualified ref myself many moons ago, albeit only at 'park' level status, I attended referee society meetings, where problem clubs/players in the leagues I reffed, were highlighted by fellow refs and even the league and referees secretaries.

Also, and sadly, we have to accept there is so much individual opinion involved in refereeing a game, and, as we know just from this forum, people's opinions differ. At our level, I would like to see Lino's (how can they be called 'Referees Assistants' when they only ever give 'ball in and out of play decisions'?) more involved/consulted by the ref, but again from my experiences, most refs think they are God, the ref always had to be obeyed in my day so lino's were reluctant to alert him to something going on he may have missed! But, there is no excuse for using foul and abusive language toward a ref and this should be one area we can improve on? Any 'card' doubt the ref may have will evaporate if he is then given the verbals by the player concerned.

Finally, anyone know why Jake (talented player without a doubt) was  released by Millwall - could it have been to do with discipline? Whichever, we are going to miss him.

Not particularly looking forward to next Saturday, especially if there is no bitter in the bar! COYW

The officials might have a downer on us discipline wise but we have brought that on ourselves I am afraid. Having seen the tackle on video Jake does win the ball but the angle and the intent he goes in with cleans the bloke out at the same time. Harsh decision maybe but I have seen reds given for less. And having a go at the referee having been banned for the exact same thing LESS THAN THREE WEEKS BEFORE absolutely beggars belief.

I was hoping the captains armband may calm him down a little but it seems to have done the exact opposite. Perhaps he feels extra responsibility for the team and perhaps he is trying too hard but it is just not working. There was a challenge in the first half at Braintree on Tuesday which, from my angle, didn't get any card but was late and could have been red but was at least a yellow.

Of course he should be stripped of the captaincy as this sort of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. The fact that we will have played 26 league games by the time he comes back and he couldn't be captain for at least 7 of them because he was unavailable due to suspension says it all.

I am fully aware of the contribution Jake has made to get us to this level but his current "contribution" is severely damaging our chances of staying here...

Having seen the highlights from Bristol Rovers' own video, l must say Jake's sending off look harsh. He came from the side and definitely got some of the ball and it wasn't two footed! Honestly if you are going to send someone off for that type of tackle, well you probably end up with 9-a-side in most games!

Also, l noted two points following the tackle which are 1) if the tackle was made with force, why the Bristol Rovers' player didn't stay on the ground because moments later he was up and about. 2) why didn't the same player get at least a booking after he planted his foot into Jake's arm?

The referee was the same one who sent off Turner and Day at Southport earlier this season, maybe this had influenced his decision in sending Jake off.

The penalty award. I have looked at it several times and its very dubious! Did Zac actually touch the player, if he did, it must have be very minimal! I may be wrong as the quality of the video is poor.

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If Jake is off the floor and deemed to be out of control then this tackle should have been a red card as well. This was in virtually the same place as Jake's tackle

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 An outrageous "tackle" and an inexplicable decision by the referee - ffs, unless I missed something, he was not even cautioned. Send it to the FA in case it wants to take action (there goes a flying pig).

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 It is not good but if you look closely his knees are bending under him and I think he makes contact with his knee. You probably don't bend your knees under you if you are out of control. Probably viewed as trying to bale out but didn't succeed.

Anyone got a constructive idea how we change this given the pool of referees are not going to change and whingeing about it isn't solving much.

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If Jake is off the floor and deemed to be out of control then this tackle should have been a red card as well. This was in virtually the same place as Jake's tackle

www.youtube.com/watch

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 An outrageous "tackle" and an inexplicable decision by the referee - ffs, unless I missed something, he was not even cautioned. Send it to the FA in case it wants to take action (there goes a flying pig).

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 It is not good but if you look closely his knees are bending under him and I think he makes contact with his knee. You probably don't bend your knees under you if you are out of control. Probably viewed as trying to bale out but didn't succeed.

 

Anyone got a constructive idea how we change this given the pool of referees are not going to change and whingeing about it isn't solving much.

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 I understand your argument, Staff, but even if you are right it is still a bad challenge.  Also, in comparison - if we accept the views of others present at the match - Malachi Hudson was booked for falling over, an accident which brought him into contact with an opponent.

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Hudson was tripped or fell over a Bristol Rovers players leg. If you didn't see that bit and given the general disciplinary deterioration we had  gone through in the game you would have given a yellow card for a cynical challenge. Given we were viewing it from the other side to the ref I can only assume he didn't see the trip. Easily the most dumbfounding decision of the day.