Welling were 10 points clear of the relegation zone when the new manager took over. That was plenty of leeway to sort things out before we got into trouble. If we get relegated after spending all that money bringing the ground up to date last season so we could stay in the division - what a damn waste that would be. I'm sure there are plenty of fans, with less credentials, that could have achieved better results this past couple of months or so. Not very happy at all.
Well he still needs to go even if my views are deleted from the forum which a bit unfair everyone is entitled to their own views and should not be taken off unless offensive but my only my point of view
I placed my views on the forum that the manager might not be good enough to keep us in this division after his decisions, in my view, cost us the points at Aldershot even though he placed the blame on the players.
I couldn't be at the game yesterday but everything I've seen and heard reinforces my belief that if changes are not made we will be in Conference South next season. I think the club would have nothing to lose in putting Faz in charge for the remainder of the season. I think there's no doubt he would give it his best shot and if he didn't manage to pull us out of the mire no one would attach any blame to him.
well wtid. ive slept on it and thought about it and have i changed my mind??? NO, NOT A CHANCE, no manager ( and i use that term loosely where he is concerned) at any level will survive 7 losses in a row. so come on welling do the right thing.
well wtid. ive slept on it and thought about it and have i changed my mind??? NO, NOT A CHANCE, no manager ( and i use that term loosely where he is concerned) at any level will survive 7 losses in a row. so come on welling do the right thing.
I thought at the time Jody Brown was a terrible appointment but I kept quiet on here, partly for the players morale, but also because I had similar thoughts when Jamie Day was appointed which of course were wrong.
He was put in a very difficult decision to start with. We had just lost Beautyman and were about to lose Tyrone Marsh. We had a small squad who had just played 120 mins and faced 4 games in 10 days.
Our single point from those four games were no surprise and I heard no negativity on the terraces- we were all confident in the players and the manager in keeping us up.
But the past 5 games have been an absolute disgrace- a total shambles.
Good, first team players have been dropped or farmed out on loan. Too many new players have been brought in. Some of them are n't good enough.
Yes at time's we've been a little unlucky. But the players needed to pick themselves up and battle for every ball.
And the reason Brown must go is because it was evident yesterday that our players had lost their fight, their desire, their organisation and their confidence.
Brown has lost the dressing room and now he's lost the fans. HE MUST GO NOW!
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We also took the cheap option again in hiring him and being impressed by someone at interview rather than hiring the best Man for the job or someone with more experience
I thought at the time Jody Brown was a terrible appointment but I kept quiet on here, partly for the players morale, but also because I had similar thoughts when Jamie Day was appointed which of course were wrong.
He was put in a very difficult decision to start with. We had just lost Beautyman and were about to lose Tyrone Marsh. We had a small squad who had just played 120 mins and faced 4 games in 10 days.
Our single point from those four games were no surprise and I heard no negativity on the terraces- we were all confident in the players and the manager in keeping us up.
But the past 5 games have been an absolute disgrace- a total shambles.
Good, first team players have been dropped or farmed out on loan. Too many new players have been brought in. Some of them are n't good enough.
Yes at time's we've been a little unlucky. But the players needed to pick themselves up and battle for every ball.
And the reason Brown must go is because it was evident yesterday that our players had lost their fight, their desire, their organisation and their confidence.
Brown has lost the dressing room and now he's lost the fans. HE MUST GO NOW!
Agreed, hard start for any manager but it's his team now. He couldn't raise them for the Alfreton match (they were up for it) and now the Nuneaton game which was even more important. I can't see how anyone else in charge could do any worse from this point.
This league was always going to be tough but my main worry is that we will get relegated and not even be able to compete in conf south. It's typical that our first live televised game comes at a time when we are playing crap, getting crap results and have a manager hanging on by his fingernails.
This league was always going to be tough but my main worry is that we will get relegated and not even be able to compete in conf south. It's typical that our first live televised game comes at a time when we are playing crap, getting crap results and have a manager hanging on by his fingernails.
Agreed Trooper do our directors really want or first home live televised game to be marred by supporters chanting 'Brown Out' for 90 minutes, followed by yet another defeat? You can't question the supporters like he has in his interview and not expect an angry response.
HE MUST GO NOW in order to give someone else a chance. The odds are now against us staying up. But if we lose this charlatan of a football manager now then we can stay up!
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His comments yesterday re: the fans were the final straw. Don't question the hardcore support when you've lost so many games. It'll come back to haunt you.
I have kept quiet on this subject as not been to enough games recently to truly comment but after what I have just read in NLP I am truly disgusted. He states " fair enough they've (our fans) paid their money but we've lost to a goal when it's a five on two breakaway and if they think that's down to me that shows their level of football knowledge" . A manager is responsible for all results and quite frankly 1 point in 9 games says it all. He took over when we were 10 points clear of relegation and look at us now !! The fans have been very patient with this guy and at a time when he needs all the support he can get to then make the fans an enemy he obviously does not know as much about football as he thinks he does. Although he did lose Beautyman and Marsh he has probably spent more on players than any Welling manager in recent history so can have no excuse. The fact the players did not appear up for it yesterday makes me think his team talks are about as depressing as his interviews. Lack of motivation and it is showing.
My view - move this totally out of his depth manager on, and keep an eye on Jimmy Dacks situation at Newport although they won yesterday !! Or ask Faz to step in for the rest of the season. He knows our club and respects our fans so an immediate improvement
His comments yesterday re: the fans were the final straw. Don't question the hardcore support when you've lost so many games. It'll come back to haunt you.
Having just listened to the interview his comments about the fans amounted to, basically, that they are entitled to their views and its their prerogative to chant what they chanted but he's not a fan he's an "educated football man". I'm not really sure there's that much wrong with that other than maybe "educated football man" isn't the best term to have used. Having been at both Aldershot and Nuneaton I'm not sure the abuse helps the team and should we really be surprised if players react badly? The idea that they should listen to all that and then come and applaud the visiting support makes me laugh. I have some sympathy for Jody, we have a small budget and we can't go out and spend a fortune on players. We lack a decent striker and consequently we don't look as if we are going to score and I'm not sure that can be blamed on the management team, as I suspect the options in January were limited. But this is a results driven business and we aren't getting the results.
His comments show how deluded he is. I'm was happy to write off the first 4 games as he could do little with the threadbare squad. But he always said "judge me from the Alfreton game." Well you've lost every game! Yes apart from yesterday the performances have been good, but your tactical decisions during the last 3 games have been nothing short of baffling! Good players like Sam Corne who has performed well this season can't get in the team.
You asked to be given time and judged from the Alfreton game and i'm afraid the performance yesterday and your comments afterwards show how out of depth you are Jody. I will be amazed if he is in the dug out on Sunday.
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His comments yesterday re: the fans were the final straw. Don't question the hardcore support when you've lost so many games. It'll come back to haunt you.
Having just listened to the interview his comments about the fans amounted to, basically, that they are entitled to their views and its their prerogative to chant what they chanted but he's not a fan he's an "educated football man". I'm not really sure there's that much wrong with that other than maybe "educated football man" isn't the best term to have used. Having been at both Aldershot and Nuneaton I'm not sure the abuse helps the team and should we really be surprised if players react badly? The idea that they should listen to all that and then come and applaud the visiting support makes me laugh. I have some sympathy for Jody, we have a small budget and we can't go out and spend a fortune on players. We lack a decent striker and consequently we don't look as if we are going to score and I'm not sure that can be blamed on the management team, as I suspect the options in January were limited. But this is a results driven business and we aren't getting the results.
He might be well qualified in theory but in practice his management technique of abusing/criticising fans and players in public isn't wise.
He's also let our best striker go out on loan and he's scored more on his own since than our whole club.
If he stumbles on to next Sunday we will almost certainly be in the bottom 4, and any win next Sunday with this charlatan in charge will feel very hollow, and further more if this was the start of the season he would of been moved on weeks ago. I also remember Mr Brigden being sacked after just a few dodgy results (Get him out today PLEASE)
Yesterday was my 35th match of this season and was by far the worst performance from the team I have witnessed in the 4 years I have been going to matches. The team have been unlucky in recent weeks with individual errors and some poor refereeing decisions going against us. Jody Brown has come in and the first 4 games he was in charge we lost 4-0 away at Dover, drew 0-0 at home to Torquay, Lost 0-2 at home to Dover and lost 4-1 at Forest Green, In interviews Jody Brown said judge me after the Alfreton game, as the side he inherited after Jamie Day's departure was threadbare. Can't disagree with that. Since Forest Green he has brought in 8 or 9 new faces and loaned out our players, to be honest I don't think they have added anything to our team (Vose may be the exception).
Brown stated that Charlie Penny was being loaned out to get some match practise and to try and score some goals (which I believe he is doing) as his one on one finishing wasn't good enough. Fair comments again by Brown, however the strikers (I use the term loosely) he has brought in have not inspired me at all and I struggle to think of a one on one where the strikers brought in have scored. Since Forest Green we have lost at home 2-3 to Alfreton, 2 penalties given away and individual errors costing us at least 1 point, Lost 1-3 to Chester, Jake sent off in the first half for winning the ball in a strong tackle that the ref deemed to be worthy a straight red card although allowed Chester player to get away with exactly the same type of challenge minutes earlier, a dodgy penalty given against Darren Purse again costing us at least a point, Next up a trip to Macclesfield where we dominated the match but again individual errors, A dodgy penalty (again) and a shocking decision by the ref to red card (2nd yellow following and earlier yellow for kicking the ball away, Macclesfield player throw the ball away minutes later and wasn't shown a yellow) Anthony Jeffrey in stoppage time in the first half for what was a free kick and nothing else, definately not worthy of a yellow card given the challenges that had been made previously with no caution given, INCONSISTANT REFEREEING costing us another possible point. next it was Aldershot losing 2-1, we battered them in the first half before going a goal down due again to individual error before Vose equalized with a stunning strike, eventually losing out to another penalty in stoppage time. Looked like Fyfield was pushed in the build up but ref chose to ignore this and gave a penalty when Bushy bundled into the back of their player, What looked like from the first half performance to be 3 points heading home turned into nil points again. All of these matches you can say we were unlucky and the team performed well but individual errors cost us dear.
Moving on to yesterday and what I can honestly say was the worst performance I have witnessed from a Welling team.
This was a team and I use the word team loosely as it was 11 individuals out there who showed very little desire to win what was possibly a season defining match. a few players looked like they couldn't give a toss and were going through the motions, players pulling out of 50/50 challenges when we are a goal down shows lack of commitment to the cause and then to give your own support (who have spent hard earned money travelling to watch you play) the finger was out of order, if you don't want to play for us and show some desire to win then **** OFF, WE DON'T WANT YOU NEAR OUR CLUB.
Jody Brown NOW is the time to stand up and be accountable for the results, this is now YOUR team, players you have loaned out or left out of the team showed far more desire than those you have brought in. Charlie Penny might not have scored any one on ones but at least he was trying, what have you got against Sam Corne? he has been one of our better players all season but yet you say it wasn't his type of match to play in and the surface didn't suit him. WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS.
The Fans are turning against you Mr Brown, GET IT SORTED, Do you want us to appear on national television next Sunday and at the end of the match hear the fans calling for your resignation?
I for one don't want to hear that. I'd much prefer to be applauding a great team performance and 3 points gained.
Yes we have performed well in previous matches and have been unlucky not to get a point or 3, but yesterdays performance was totally unacceptable and I fear for the rest of the season.
I will continue to follow the team home and away when work allows no matter what the results, I'm not a quitter like some of the players appeared to be yesterday.
P.S. I have a few seats in my car for the Gateshead match on the 10th if anyone is interested, leaving Welling around 11am, staying overnight in Newcastle, a visit to the Metro Shopping Centre (gotta keep Pinkie happy) before heading home around 1 or 2pm on Wednesday.
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Yesterday was my 35th match of this season and was by far the worst performance from the team I have witnessed in the 4 years I have been going to matches. The team have been unlucky in recent weeks with individual errors and some poor refereeing decisions going against us. Jody Brown has come in and the first 4 games he was in charge we lost 4-0 away at Dover, drew 0-0 at home to Torquay, Lost 0-2 at home to Dover and lost 4-1 at Forest Green, In interviews Jody Brown said judge me after the Alfreton game, as the side he inherited after Jamie Day's departure was threadbare. Can't disagree with that. Since Forest Green he has brought in 8 or 9 new faces and loaned out our players, to be honest I don't think they have added anything to our team (Vose may be the exception). Brown stated that Charlie Penny was being loaned out to get some match practise and to try and score some goals (which I believe he is doing) as his one on one finishing wasn't good enough. Fair comments again by Brown, however the strikers (I use the term loosely) he has brought in have not inspired me at all and I struggle to think of a one on one where the strikers brought in have scored. Since Forest Green we have lost at home 2-3 to Alfreton, 2 penalties given away and individual errors costing us at least 1 point, Lost 1-3 to Chester, Jake sent off in the first half for winning the ball in a strong tackle that the ref deemed to be worthy a straight red card although allowed Chester player to get away with exactly the same type of challenge minutes earlier, a dodgy penalty given against Darren Purse again costing us at least a point, Next up a trip to Macclesfield where we dominated the match but again individual errors, A dodgy penalty (again) and a shocking decision by the ref to red card (2nd yellow following and earlier yellow for kicking the ball away, Macclesfield player throw the ball away minutes later and wasn't shown a yellow) Anthony Jeffrey in stoppage time in the first half for what was a free kick and nothing else, definately not worthy of a yellow card given the challenges that had been made previously with no caution given, INCONSISTANT REFEREEING costing us another possible point. next it was Aldershot losing 2-1, we battered them in the first half before going a goal down due again to individual error before Vose equalized with a stunning strike, eventually losing out to another penalty in stoppage time. Looked like Fyfield was pushed in the build up but ref chose to ignore this and gave a penalty when Bushy bundled into the back of their player, What looked like from the first half performance to be 3 points heading home turned into nil points again. All of these matches you can say we were unlucky and the team performed well but individual errors cost us dear. Moving on to yesterday and what I can honestly say was the worst performance I have witnessed from a Welling team. This was a team and I use the word team loosely as it was 11 individuals out there who showed very little desire to win what was possibly a season defining match. a few players looked like they couldn't give a toss and were going through the motions, players pulling out of 50/50 challenges when we are a goal down shows lack of commitment to the cause and then to give your own support (who have spent hard earned money travelling to watch you play) the finger was out of order, if you don't want to play for us and show some desire to win then **** OFF, WE DON'T WANT YOU NEAR OUR CLUB. Jody Brown NOW is the time to stand up and be accountable for the results, this is now YOUR team, players you have loaned out or left out of the team showed far more desire than those you have brought in. Charlie Penny might not have scored any one on ones but at least he was trying, what have you got against Sam Corne? he has been one of our better players all season but yet you say it wasn't his type of match to play in and the surface didn't suit him. WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. The Fans are turning against you Mr Brown, GET IT SORTED, Do you want us to appear on national television next Sunday and at the end of the match hear the fans calling for your resignation? I for one don't want to hear that. I'd much prefer to be applauding a great team performance and 3 points gained. Yes we have performed well in previous matches and have been unlucky not to get a point or 3, but yesterdays performance was totally unacceptable and I fear for the rest of the season. I will continue to follow the team home and away when work allows no matter what the results, I'm not a quitter like some of the players appeared to be yesterday. P.S. I have a few seats in my car for the Gateshead match on the 10th if anyone is interested, leaving Welling around 11am, staying overnight in Newcastle, a visit to the Metro Shopping Centre (gotta keep Pinkie happy) before heading home around 1 or 2pm on Wednesday.
Davy, It's too late for Brown now, he's lost the dresssing room and he's lost the supporters. With him we are going down. Without him we stand a chance if he GOES NOW.
I agree with you that some of the decisions against us have been harsh but not the second yellow for Jeffrey at Macc.
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what makes me laugh is every single manager when under pressure from the fans says "well they are entitled to their opinion as we haven't been getting the results" or something similar....Brown on the other hand just slags us off as ignorant. Out please
Can't comment on the Nuneaton game because I wasn't there. However I can comment on the quotes in the NLP which, if quoted correctly, should be the final straw for this bulls**tter. I don't always agree with fellow Wings fans and often see games differently to some but to be criticised in print by a manager who has 1 point in 27 since he took over about our "football knowledge" is rather hypocritical.
I said a few weeks ago that the club took a huge gamble on Jamie Day and that gamble paid off handsomely. They took another gamble on a young manager this time around and that appears to have failed miserably. You win some and you lose some. I also said that when he came in that the team needed a few tweaks in forward areas and yet we have witnessed open heart surgery throughout the team?! I was not averse to some experience coming in but not at the expense of young players who offer more on the pitch than them. I voted Sam Corne as player of the month for December and now he doesn't even feature in the matchday squad?! This club has always prided itself on bringing through young players because we don't have the money to compete for the start names. The team should be built around the likes of Barney, Corne and Fagan not Purse, Duguid and Vine.
The only dilemma is where would we go if we dispense with Mr Brown?? One option is Faz and Co who I think were in the running last time and at least know what makes this club tick. Or is there an experienced guy out there who is out of work at the moment that can make us into a horrible hard to beat team but a team that might just dig out results??
As others have said make no mistake we don't want to be in Conference South next season which looks like it could well include £bbsfl££t, Maidstone and Margate. We have no chance of competing with those clubs and, whilst we might get a few good crowds, in my opinion we will do well to finish in the top eight in that division. Conference National is the place to be and we still have a chance to be there next season albeit a slim one.
A big decision needs to be made - stick or twist. If it is twist then it will be another gamble on the outcome. If we do twist then give the incumbent the job until the end of the season. If we stay up then they get the job for next season. If we go down then we review again in May.
I was sat in the stand near to the Away bench on Saturday. When Nuneaton had a free kick in 1st half injury time the advice from one of the coaches wasn't anything useful like "stay on the 18 yard line" or "watch the run from number 6" - it was "Don't concede".
If the players are getting stunning tactical insights like that during training no wonder they're playing so badly -if I was on the pitch & heard that I'd think the coach was an idiot and would ignore him.
I do feel certain people are somehow avoiding the flack and that's the players. Not all of them but a fair few...They looked like they did not want to play for the manager on Saturday and that's why he has to go, but they should still play for the fans...I've witnessed welling lose many a time but never in that manner of no passion or fight. JB was his own downfall, I said trouble was brewing when he openly stated about having inherited players that he wouldn't of signed, as soon as he said that it's game over I'm afraid. Penny and Hudson out on loan was also a big mistake, they are young lads who work hard and fight for the club been replaced by players who couldn't care less. Give faz the job till the end of the season, we might still go down but it will be with more spirit than how we are going down right now.
The loan of Jefford to £bbsfl££t has been extended for another month. The fact that Penny played for Kingstonian on Saturday suggests that loan has also been extended (not sure about Hudson as he didn't feature at the weekend)
Jefford is not the greatest but he can do a job at left back and allow Fyfield to play centre half where he should have been playing all along. Penny, in our single front man formation, was not the answer but he did put a shift and if we want to change to two up front during a game he would have been an ideal option. Short sighted management I feel but, unless there are return clauses (which I doubt) they won't be an option for the next month at least.
Firstly I am not a Welling season ticket holder and probably attend 5/6 home games per season when I can yet I feel compelled to post on here looking at what is happening. I have only seen one game under Browns tenure which was the 0-2 defeat to Dover.
As an outsider as it were, the impression I have of him is that he loves an excuse and will always blame other factors rather than anything to do with his, or his management teams actions. Alarm bells started ringing for me after the home defeat to Alfreton as, to be 0-3 down at home to a team below you in a relegation scrap, is not acceptable. That was a huge chance to put some daylight between Welling and the bottom four. As was Saturday losing to a Nuneaton team who have lost 22 or so games this season. A point would have been ok there.
This bloke is arrogant, ignorant and thinks that he is above any form of judgement. As we know, football is a results based business and that is what he has signed up to yet it seems to me he feels he is above any judgement. One point in 9 games is truly woeful and the only stat that matters here.
Also, what does Glen Little bring to the table? Nothing.
We have to stay in the Conference and that means pumping him and his mates out now so there is some reaction in front of the TV cameras and the season can be salvaged.