Should get 3 Points today as Torquay have problems on the pitch and off it as owe money to different company and now want their money back could be taken to court for it. Which seems like all small Football Clubs  risk going out of business.Then looking forward to Aldershot away Tuesday night.

Perfect start to the game, 1-0 up!!!

Well that's another red card to add to Torquay's list.

When they're eventually fined, I wonder if the FA will accept IOUs like all of Torquay's other creditors.

Pathetic performance and tactics. 

Great workrate from most but a real lack of quality in the final third. Partly due to no real striker. But also due to absolutely dog **** tactics and decisions. 

Left footers on the left. 

Right footers on the right. 

Two up front versus ten men. 

Balls in the box versus a reserve keeper. 

Taking a giant off when we're about to deliver a ball into the box. Madness 

Both full backs on bookings. Run them and draw a foul. Or if you must cut inside as some idiot had decided to play you out of position then cut inside and shoot.

And as for some of the rugby players and ex league players earning big bucks. Shape up or ship out. Now. Oh no, we've put them all on contracts. Fantastic. 

Same applies to the management team I am afraid. If I watch the interview later and hear a positive one I'll be disappointed. It's time a few people had a rocket up them. Players and management. Harsh realities. 

Porter, Corne, Jefford, Chambers and Lokko. I sympathise. Vidal. Once played in your bet position I will too. Not your fault though.

Farce. 

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-- Edited by Kevin on Saturday 12th of September 2015 05:27:21 PM

It's the same old Welling! We never could play well against ten. There was no sustained pressure on their defence. Some guys, like Porter, run their hearts out, but just didn't get the service. And we shouldn't be looking to Porter to score as well as make all, or most, of the positive runs. Agree entirely with the thoughts above, the whole team & management needs a wake up call before it's too late. We need a goal scorer urgently. expecting to win any points away when we cannot beat 10 men at home is just not realistic. But we did at least get one point.

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Pathetic performance and tactics. 

Great workrate from most but a real lack of quality in the final third. Partly due to no real striker. But also due to absolutely dog **** tactics and decisions. 

Left footers on the left. 

Right footers on the right. 

Two up front versus ten men. 

Balls in the box versus a reserve keeper. 

Taking a giant off when we're about to deliver a ball into the box. Madness 

Both full backs on bookings. Run them and draw a foul. Or if you must cut inside as some idiot had decided to play you out of position then cut inside and shoot.

And as for some of the rugby players and ex league players earning big bucks. Shape up or ship out. Now. Oh no, we've put them all on contracts. Fantastic. 

Same applies to the management team I am afraid. If I watch the interview later and hear a positive one I'll be disappointed. It's time a few people had a rocket up them. Players and management. Harsh realities. 

Porter, Corne, Jefford, Chambers and Lokko. I sympathise. Vidal. Once played in your bet position I will too. Not your fault though.

Farce. 

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-- Edited by Kevin on Saturday 12th of September 2015 05:27:21 PM

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 I see your point  Kevin but..... If you have a young inexperienced management team tactics wise what can we expect. INEXPERIENCE. These  guys worked hard and kept us in this division just a few months earlier. You know who? would of got us relegated. Very harsh comments in my opinion. Don't turn the fans against the team and management. Let's stick together. 

Oh, and Harry Lee. You sir have been superb doing an under-rated job. We can kiss goodbye to good players like that on loan though if we are a) playing poor football and b) getting poor results, as league managers will not want their youngsters facing that.

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Regulars will know I speak my mind.

4 wins in 27 they said on Tranmere commentary, so its 4 wins in 29 now. Not good enough. Simple. Not meaning to be harsh, but facts are facts.

You raise a good point yourself, a young inexperienced management team. Why is that? And a team last two games where our oldest player has been 23, and where our captain, and one of the highest paid players, has been deemed only good enough for the bench. This surely highlights faults in that person and the management team in offering him the wage he is on, and the captaincy only 5 weeks ago!

Working hard is all well and good. I don't want people to work hard and lose, I want people to work hard and win, and us to do well. Losing, and losing to **** teams with ten men, is not acceptable. A one off yes, but thats several games now this season we have been "the better side" and not won, excuses wear thing after a while.

We're a smaller club in the division, and I'm a realist, I don't expect us to rip up trees, but I do expect us to spend what we have wisely, and get the best from our players with sensible tactics and hardwork, and some spirit. Several are lacking in general and in some personnel. Mistakes have been made, they need to be rectified.

Only game we have won was home to Guiseley, and we were dominated all second half in that one.

Not trying to turn people against anyone, but if things aren't good enough then I won't be claiming all is rosy. Accepting poor performances, results and tactics will see us go down sadly.

It's been several games now, changes are needed. At what level isn't my decision, or anyone else's, but denying it needs doing is naive.

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Yes you do speak your mind and you've been quick to accuse others of being trolls on occasions. With our budget just what do you expect? And spending wisely? Which players should we have bought? If we want better players then we need people to put their hands in their pockets to enable the club to buy or loan better players. Long posts on here saying about what the club should or shouldn't do but without the necessary action to enable anything to actually be achieved are simply (pretty pointless) words.

 

 

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Regulars will know I speak my mind.

4 wins in 27 they said on Tranmere commentary, so its 4 wins in 29 now. Not good enough. Simple. Not meaning to be harsh, but facts are facts.

You raise a good point yourself, a young inexperienced management team. Why is that? And a team last two games where our oldest player has been 23, and where our captain, and one of the highest paid players, has been deemed only good enough for the bench. This surely highlights faults in that person and the management team in offering him the wage he is on, and the captaincy only 5 weeks ago!

Working hard is all well and good. I don't want people to work hard and lose, I want people to work hard and win, and us to do well. Losing, and losing to **** teams with ten men, is not acceptable. A one off yes, but thats several games now this season we have been "the better side" and not won, excuses wear thing after a while.

We're a smaller club in the division, and I'm a realist, I don't expect us to rip up trees, but I do expect us to spend what we have wisely, and get the best from our players with sensible tactics and hardwork, and some spirit. Several are lacking in general and in some personnel. Mistakes have been made, they need to be rectified.

Only game we have won was home to Guiseley, and we were dominated all second half in that one.

Not trying to turn people against anyone, but if things aren't good enough then I won't be claiming all is rosy. Accepting poor performances, results and tactics will see us go down sadly.

It's been several games now, changes are needed. At what level isn't my decision, or anyone else's, but denying it needs doing is naive.

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Yes you do speak your mind and you've been quick to accuse others of being trolls on occasions. With our budget just what do you expect? And spending wisely? Which players should we have bought? If we want better players then we need people to put their hands in their pockets to enable the club to buy or loan better players. Long posts on here saying about what the club should or shouldn't do but without the necessary action to enable anything to actually be achieved are simply (pretty pointless) words.

 

 

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I expect money to be spent in key areas like keeper, central defence and centre forward as key positions. Not all have.

Spending wisely to me means not putting 17/18 players on contract giving you no options to move people in and out when things are going well/poorly. Spending huge sums isn't possible for Welling, spending what we do have wisely is common sense, and I don't think we have done.

Every manager and team and fan wants better players, we were told before the end of the window the management team were happy with the squad. We must have been the only club and management team, other than Arsenal/Wenger, not looking to try and do some business.

I did say Andrew that I don't expect us to rip up tress, and I know we are a low budget club, but I also said we should spend what we have wisely, and I don't think we have, and results, shots on goal and goals scored seem to prove that, as does our league position. 

To the best of my knowledge the current playing budget is pretty much the highest it has ever been.

We do need better players in some areas, but that shouldn't mean putting our hands in our pockets as you suggest, had we not made several basic errors with signings in the summer, and contacts offered to fringe players or those injured, we might not be in the position we now are.

As for the necessary action to enable anything to actually be achieved, as a mere fan, what do you suggest I do to action that? Other than voice my opinion and hope those in the position to do something about it see sense?

-- Edited by Kevin on Saturday 12th of September 2015 10:01:43 PM

Our young management team are very fortunate to have this opportunity at National League level. They did a good job in keeping us up last season although this was in part helped by Alfretons collapse.

This season they have put together a decent squad of players and the lads seem to have enthusiasm and forged a good team spirit. 

However, we keep dropping points for the same reasons and we must learn. In games against Eastleigh, Tranmere and now Torquay we have conceded goals from set pieces. Against Woking we conceded from our own corner. We rarely beat the first man from most of our corners. This is pretty basic stuff but in a proper mans league this stuff costs you. I see we train on a 3g pitch which does not seem to be full size. Perhaps this is the reason? If so something must be sorted and quick.

Also I share my frustration with Kevin at our predictable attacking play. Harris and Porter are both very much one footed players and must be played on their natural sides. Cutting in every time is predictable. Not hugging the touch line and streching the midfield when playing against ten men is plain stupid. Vidal is not an attacking midfielder and looks far more comfortable as a central midfielder.

I don't like picking out individual players for a poor performance as many of our players are Young and susceptible to a loss in their own confidence. But as this player is our eldest I ll make an exception. I thought Ricky Wellards performance was a disgrace. Thats right a disgrace. I know that might seem a bit harsh but he just did not look as though he was trying. You would think that as our club captain he would want to come on and prove a point to our management team after being dropped. Go on Ricky, they are down to ten men, are a shambles at the back, and the left back has been booked, show us what you can do. Really, really poor Ricky. You look like a shocking signing. Please prove me wrong.

We need a striker although I thought Obafemi played well today. I'd like to see him played up front alongside Kabba when he returns.

We play some good stuff and are not far away from being a decent conference side. A couple of back to back wins will see us shoot up the division.

However the management team must urgently address these obvious shortcomings. Our board are known to be patient but I'm sure are aware that money talks and people will start voting with their feet if these obvious faults are not addressed.

No more Mr Nice Guys please. 

COYW!

 

 

Well..as someone who has only seen ,2 games due to work and now holiday I am finding reading this'd is a bit depressing.....interviews saying everything is marvellous is a bit tired now.....we can't shift personnel however surely were can get a loan forward from somewhere....plan A is not working....time for BC and D

Is it time for a reality check? We are a small club, with limited funds, part-time players, a young side and an inexperienced management team. Our crowd numbers at about 500 are less than half that seen at most matches in this league. We are also playing in a National league where virtually every match is against teams that "should" take the points. If the guys can keep us away from relegation it will be a good season. So we need to take each match as it comes, praise the good performances and not be too harsh when things go wrong. We are still being given the opportunity to enjoy a good standard of football and support a team with spirit and potential. End of rant.

Think the only reality check needed is from people on this forum...reading some of the comments is just cringe worthy , if any players or management read it they wouldn't be motivated, they'd be thinking you can f##k right off. We haven't lost in 3 games, ok we could of won but that's something to work and build on not get stupid about. We have smallest crowds and budget in the league and people seem to think we should win every week, it's a joke..you see the players we come up against and they are bigger, faster, and more experienced...because that's what other clubs can afford. Most of our lads are working there nuts off to try and match them and be at that level and all anyone wants to do is moan...its like most the people in here have never watched a game or know how football works.

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Think the only reality check needed is from people on this forum...reading some of the comments is just cringe worthy , if any players or management read it they wouldn't be motivated, they'd be thinking you can f##k right off.

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Do you mean they would read my comments and they would f##k right off? If so I'd be delighted- it would prove they are not up for the fight.

If you mean they think I should f##k right off then they should understand that I've been a season ticket holder for 17 of the past 19 seasons and I'll be watching this club next season and the season after that and I don't want to be watching us play at Conf South or even Ryman level which is why, unlike others, I'm not prepared to turn a blind eye to faults, errors and laziness.     

 

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We haven't even been that bad in some if not most the games, yes we lack a bit of quality up top that would win us more..but we can't afford that so that's the way it's going to be...so we played bad in one game, hardly a reason to come on here and act like our seasons about to self destruct...would love to see you or anyone else do a better job than faz, you wouldn't last a week. The team was always going to be a work in progress so lets just see shall we. Maybe of started getting behind the team in times like this instead of on there back we could speard a bit of positivety around...cos most the time mate your just as bad as the people who you claim to be trolls.

 And at least we ain't Chelsea 

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Jay, you weren't there. It was poor, not for the first time. Look at the table and recent performances versus results. It isn't a one game reaction. It's been a pattern for several games.

No-one here is expecting us to be dominant and win every game, but mistakes have been made and need addressing. What would be worse would be to ignore them and claim all is rosy, cross our fingers, and hope for the best. We've won 4 games in 29 in the league so it isn't unreasonable to have a little bit of a moan about results.

It happens at all levels of the game. Nine games in, everyone has had a fair crack now, time to address some of the issues. I have my thoughts, so do you and everyone else, what I want to see from Faz and the management is a few bollockings to a few individuals, maybe try something new and try and be positive/pro-active, and to look to try and move a few personnel in and out. Not unfair comments for a side in the bottom four, every other club is doing it.

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 To cover your points;

- you say we can't afford it, we could have were money not wasted on players not up to it and with 17 on contract,

- we didn't play badly in one game, we've played badly and lost in several,

- you'd love to see anyone else do better than Faz ... You might get your wish soon,

- start getting behind the team ... I was there and paid my £15. Were you?

Difference of opinions is fair enough.
Jamison. Kevin. Digging each other out is it necessary.

I didn't post straight after the game as i normally like to think about the game a bit more (with the exception of Woking!)

Mistakes have been made with putting too many people on contract. All supporters were saying during pre season that we wouldn't concede many goals this season, but we wouldn't score many, and had we of had a out and out striker, we would have got at least a draw at Macclesfield, won at Woking, got something against Braintree, won against Tranmere and won yesterday. This needs to be addressed urgently as things won't improve until we are a credible threat going forward.

One thing that i've never liked though are players being personally slagged off. Constructive criticism is fine and people have views which i'm totally fine with. That's what this forum is for, but there were supporters in front of me shouting out "You're **** Wellard" on several occassions, is this something that is going to help? Is saying that to him going to make him give that extra bit of effort? It's going to lead to him not caring at all. You wouldn't go up to him personally and tell him that he's **** you have to hide behind the fact you are on the terraces where he can't react. If you disagree that's your opinion, but i would be more than happy to stand at your place of employment screaming obsenities at you, and seeing how that affects your productivity.

The budget will be stretched but by getting every player on contract means you have little flexibility to change players if the need arises.

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....you me and everyone else on here has the same amount of experience managing a team as my nan.

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