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Seems the BBC get an awful lot for their 12.5k



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Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.



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OMERTA elb wrote:

Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.


In a way I don't blame the BBC for fawning over Salford - even people at work who have next to no interest in football are talking about them after that documentary and their games in the FA Cup so it is a ratings winner

The BBC isn't supposed to be about ratings but like their biases they do what they want and we are forced to pay the TV tax or face going to prison



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OMERTA elb wrote:

Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.


In a way I don't blame the BBC for fawning over Salford - even people at work who have next to no interest in football are talking about them after that documentary and their games in the FA Cup so it is a ratings winner

The BBC isn't supposed to be about ratings but like their biases they do what they want and we are forced to pay the TV tax or face going to prison


although saying that I realise BT have Salford this round but my point still stands. BT will want the most amount of people watching and unfortunately Salford are a bigger draw than Welling  



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OMERTA elb wrote:

Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.


In a way I don't blame the BBC for fawning over Salford - even people at work who have next to no interest in football are talking about them after that documentary and their games in the FA Cup so it is a ratings winner

The BBC isn't supposed to be about ratings but like their biases they do what they want and we are forced to pay the TV tax or face going to prison


although saying that I realise BT have Salford this round but my point still stands. BT will want the most amount of people watching and unfortunately Salford are a bigger draw than Welling  



-- Edited by J on Friday 4th of December 2015 08:59:12 AM


 BT do not have Salford - BBC YET AGAIN has Salford - I can see why in some respects but they don't need any more publicity and there are hardly short of a few quid anyway with their backers...



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OMERTA elb wrote:

Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.


In a way I don't blame the BBC for fawning over Salford - even people at work who have next to no interest in football are talking about them after that documentary and their games in the FA Cup so it is a ratings winner

The BBC isn't supposed to be about ratings but like their biases they do what they want and we are forced to pay the TV tax or face going to prison


although saying that I realise BT have Salford this round but my point still stands. BT will want the most amount of people watching and unfortunately Salford are a bigger draw than Welling  



-- Edited by J on Friday 4th of December 2015 08:59:12 AM


 BT do not have Salford - BBC YET AGAIN has Salford - I can see why in some respects but they don't need any more publicity and there are hardly short of a few quid anyway with their backers...


I thought it was on BT! And I completely agree with you but it is pure ratings chasing   



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OMERTA elb wrote:

Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.


In a way I don't blame the BBC for fawning over Salford - even people at work who have next to no interest in football are talking about them after that documentary and their games in the FA Cup so it is a ratings winner

The BBC isn't supposed to be about ratings but like their biases they do what they want and we are forced to pay the TV tax or face going to prison


 You don't have to pay the TV license if you only watch online/catch-up content only.

The missus and I did this a couple of years ago. Just unplugged the aerial and now just watch catch-up content like iPlayer, 4OD etc. On the TV instead.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/telling-us-you-dont-need-a-tv-licence



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OMERTA elb wrote:

Spot on, Mark. Given what seems to be previous criteria, we should have been one of the fully live tv games. I know it is still good publicity, but, given the money being shovelled to the now minted Salford City, it just seems to add insult to injury.  I bet Carlisle would have fancied some £60,000 worth of coverage too.


In a way I don't blame the BBC for fawning over Salford - even people at work who have next to no interest in football are talking about them after that documentary and their games in the FA Cup so it is a ratings winner

The BBC isn't supposed to be about ratings but like their biases they do what they want and we are forced to pay the TV tax or face going to prison


 You don't have to pay the TV license if you only watch online/catch-up content only.

The missus and I did this a couple of years ago. Just unplugged the aerial and now just watch catch-up content like iPlayer, 4OD etc. On the TV instead.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/telling-us-you-dont-need-a-tv-licence


I watch a lot of live TV so that's no good for me but thanks for the idea anyway  



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The BBC think all the pubs up and down the country are talking about Salford City. Regional BBC teams, apart from Radio Kent, are very knowledgeable about non league football but the bods who choose live games haven't got a clue. I raised the following with the beeb;

1. Salford were one of 80 teams to enter in the first round and received about £70k for being shown on live TV - why were the other teams ignored?
2. They will get another live game, and another £70k - despite having very rich owners (ex-Man Utd stars)
3. There are 38 other clubs in the second round - why were they ignored by the BBC?
4. Why were Salford chosen when they do not need the publicity due to high profile owners (who regularly appear on the BBC)
5. BBC Sport are based in Salford - did this affect the decision?
6. There are many clubs, non-league and Football League, suffering from poor finances so why were the BBC's live games not given to another club? it is unfair for one club to profit in this way. Other clubs in their league must now compete with that additional 150k budget they now have which is huge at non league level.
7. Salford do not have a big fan base (home attendances average 588) and was much lower before the BBC documentary about - guess who - Salford City
8. Salford live in the first round, Salford live in the second round, Salford documentary on the BBC, Salford owners on BBC tv, BBC based in Salford

I have lots of respect for the BBC generally, but not on this one.



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2 . not forgetting the 50% owner Peter Lim with a fortune of nearly £2Billion

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I 100% agree with all that is said above, especially when other clubs would benefit much more receiving that money.

Realistically because of the media fun fair that has been put around Salford, they will get more viewers than us playing Carlisle as it isn't a mouthwatering fixture for the neutrals (despite how excited I am for the game). Having a look at the FA cup fixture list, there isn't many standout fixtures so Salford was an easy option for the BBC. I don't agree with it, but they have to show a game that is likely to get the most viewers, not from who would benefit from the extra money.

The only 'fair' way of doing this would be to put the TV money into a pot and then the FA allocate it evenly across the clubs. If not you just have to cross your fingers and hope for the best.

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I think my original post was more around what they are getting gor their 12.5k

Live in 12 countries
Live on BBC radio

Just seems very cheap to me

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That's a good point actually, who gets the money for live broadcasting abroad? Do they pay the FA? In which case surely we should be allocated more money?

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The £12,500 is for live single camera, match highlights (us) or live overseas (also us now) and it does seem a bit cheap when you can get about £70k for being on the BBC live but only £12.5k when you are shown live in lots of other countries. I'm not sure how much the BBC and BT paid for the broadcast rights to the FA which I suppose trickles back to clubs when they get an appearance.

I know last season both clubs would have got an extra £7,250 for being live on the radio but not sure if that is offered this season?



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That's a good point actually, who gets the money for live broadcasting abroad? Do they pay the FA? In which case surely we should be allocated more money?


 It is possible no one overseas pays anything for the coverage. This could be part of the Emirates deal or the FA's insistence with the broadcast bidders at the time. Seems strange but getting coverage/exposure overseas would suit both the Emirates and the FA.



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The BBC think all the pubs up and down the country are talking about Salford City. Regional BBC teams, apart from Radio Kent, are very knowledgeable about non league football but the bods who choose live games haven't got a clue. I raised the following with the beeb;

1. Salford were one of 80 teams to enter in the first round and received about £70k for being shown on live TV - why were the other teams ignored?
2. They will get another live game, and another £70k - despite having very rich owners (ex-Man Utd stars)
3. There are 38 other clubs in the second round - why were they ignored by the BBC?
4. Why were Salford chosen when they do not need the publicity due to high profile owners (who regularly appear on the BBC)
5. BBC Sport are based in Salford - did this affect the decision?
6. There are many clubs, non-league and Football League, suffering from poor finances so why were the BBC's live games not given to another club? it is unfair for one club to profit in this way. Other clubs in their league must now compete with that additional 150k budget they now have which is huge at non league level.
7. Salford do not have a big fan base (home attendances average 588) and was much lower before the BBC documentary about - guess who - Salford City
8. Salford live in the first round, Salford live in the second round, Salford documentary on the BBC, Salford owners on BBC tv, BBC based in Salford

I have lots of respect for the BBC generally, but not on this one.


 Of course, the ridiculous situation that happens next is that both ourselves and Salford make it through and get drawn together in round 3. The BBC says that due to complaints by Welling fans, Salford won't get the live game.



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I think my original post was more around what they are getting gor their 12.5k

Live in 12 countries
Live on BBC radio

Just seems very cheap to me


 Isn't there extra for live radio commentary? 



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Hope so.....after the game it eould be good to know Faz has some to spend on a striker......Damn...I am being silly!

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True to form BBC London TV feature Chesham (and good luck to them in the lower league) but do not even mention any clubs based in London Boroughs. At least ITV mentioned Chesham and Welling are playing in the FA cup this weekend.

 

 

 



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I note there does not appear to be any commentary provided by either BBC Kent or BBC London. what a joke these two are. Could the BBC Please decide who should cover us they both seem to want to ignore us even in the FAC


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I think 5 LIVE will userp that

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Looks like there'll be another episode of the Salford Show on BBC2, same time, next week....

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Looks like there'll be another episode of the Salford Show on BBC2, same time, next week....


 BT show replays, they'll be happy to have their slice of Salford now no doubt!



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