Time for us supporters to vote with our feet, if this clueless bunch are in charge for the macc game then I won't be there.

Highlights are now on the BBC site: 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34956585

Well that was definitely a great game for the neutral, and of course the Carlisle fans. Five goals, two penalties (could've been four if we'd been given the two we deserved), and a sending off.

With a part-time team playing a full-time league side vying for promotion to League One, it was always going to be a challenge to get a result. As other's have acknowledged the officials seemed to be somewhat biased with two of the penalties and the sending off being somewhat harsh.

However that doesn't excuse several players seeming to not bother turning up again. I feel sorry for the lads that did try their best today and were let down by some of their team mates in front of the TV cameras.

I wouldn't normally criticise individuals but KSA just seemed to be there for a leisurely stroll and was amazed that he was allowed to start the second half when we were still in the game. Especially when he seemed focused on mouthing back at supporters instead of playing football.

I'll stop short of calling for the management team to be sacked as at present I can't think of anyone within our budget who could do a better job but answers are needed. Especially when certain players seem to be in the starting lineup based on personal favouritism rather than ability and work rate.

As I've said, not everyone was poor. Hopefully this gives a bit more experience to the younger lads that are trying and that we can now focus on the League.

It would also be good if we could retain some of the new faces that turned up today to cheer on the wings. With a home crowd of 1,500+ we know the potential support base is there for us to achieve 1,000+ crowds on a regular basis.
We may not have got the win but at least it provided value for money for entertainment.

Let's just look forward to the Tilbury game and hopefully another cup run. COYW!

 

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If only KSA could take some of that aggression he showed towards supporters at the end of the first half (where he had to be restrained by a Carlisle defender at the whistle) and apply it to jumping for headers, bullying centre backs, and running at more than jogging pace.

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Highlights are now on the BBC site: 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34956585

Well that was definitely a great game for the neutral, and of course the Carlisle fans. Five goals, three penalties (could've been five if we'd been given the two we deserved), and a sending off.

With a part-time team playing a full-time league side vying for promotion to League One, it was always going to be a challenge to get a result. As other's have acknowledged the officials seemed to be somewhat biased with two of the penalties and the sending off being somewhat harsh.

However that doesn't excuse several players seeming to not bother turning up again. I feel sorry for the lads that did try their best today and were let down by some of their team mates in front of the TV cameras.

I wouldn't normally criticise individuals but KSA just seemed to be there for a leisurely stroll and was amazed that he was allowed to start the second half when we were still in the game. Especially when he seemed focused on mouthing back at supporters instead of playing football.

I'll stop short of calling for the management team to be sacked as at present I can't think of anyone within our budget who could do a better job but answers are needed. Especially when certain players seem to be in the starting lineup based on personal favouritism rather than ability and work rate.

As I've said, not everyone was poor. Hopefully this gives a bit more experience to the younger lads that are trying and that we can now focus on the League.

It would also be good if we could retain some of the new faces that turned up today to cheer on the wings. With a home crowd of 1,500+ we know the potential support base is there for us to achieve 1,000+ crowds on a regular basis.
We may not have got the win but at least it provided value for money for entertainment.

Let's just look forward to the Tilbury game and hopefully another cup run. COYW!

 

-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 05:34:55 PM

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Three penalties? Must have missed the third.

TBKIAH, I've no idea why I put three penalties. Made the post and by the time I'd spotted the error and edited it you'd already replied.

Terriblr terrible team selection

We request to Orient that Lee can play....they say yes and we put him on the bench along with any goal threat we have and that isnt a lot at the best of times

One win in 10.......thank you Faz.....but time to move on!

Game is about opinion. Mine is that we need a manager and we need one with experience.

Frankly I don't much care if the ref was seen as biased or not. His decisions are not in our hands. We have already made more than enough baffling decisions by that point in the game. The starting line up for one given that we didn't play some of the people we have been ostensibly 'resting' for today. Another passing all the way back to a keeper we know is a ropey kicker from an attacking position before their first goal, especially when you have difficulty winning possession from the kicks. Then, after going in 2-0 at half time, we come out with exactly the same team and formation that has not made much of an impression in the first half. If it is claimed selecting KSA was a bold selection, then be equally bloody bold in changing things when they obviously aren't working. Add that to things like the bar and I have not walked away from one of our games more annoyed in years.

Carlisle are a decent team from the division above. It is 24 years since we have had a home game against a League club, it may be another 24 until it happens again. I don't expect us to win. What I do expect is that we give ourselves the best chance and that I can at least take some positive memories of the occasion and this time, frankly, I can't.

When you then adjourn to the pub and you overhear one of the 'casual' punters who was obviously there to day asking 'Was that the worst guy you've seen in a number 10 shirt?' you can't really claim that the view is jaundiced by previous opinion. And frankly it is impossible to defend without simply stating he is out of his depth in these surroundings, his fault or not.

And the biggest indictment, none of the above really surprised me...

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I'm surprised people are criticising MM. He pulled off some cracking saves, in particularly the first penalty. Do people honestly think King would have done better?

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 agree he had a very good game. The goalie wasnt the issue. It was a very good game and the result didnt reflect the effort. People must remember this is Carlisle and not Southport against Southport we were negative today it was positive but we lost to a better team

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KSA should not be playing in a game like today. As Polo said 20 mins of football since last season doesn't warrant him a starting spot. To be honest I felt sorry for him. He was thrown in against a team in the division above when he's nowhere near match fit. Brainless idea to pick him IMO. And just to throw this out. Have you ever seen a team that is so one footed. Jefford, Wellard,Harris,Lee can only stand on their right foot. Having said all that we needed to keep it to 1-0 before halftime. Once they went 2 up it was always going to be game over. As for the team selection the managers must know something we all don't. Faz,Matt and Paul from now on go all out to win games. **** the opposition. If we're going to go down ( I think we will) lets go down fighting. 

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 I dont think we will go down. We just need an injection of ideas and new players. The management team didnt replace Joe Healey, Beautyman, Gallagher with anything as good-thats a problem. The goalscoring problem is now haunting us. Guisely get Dudley on loan from Bury and he cant stop  scoring. Surely we should look at getting a proper scouting network. We are so close to really good amateur teams yet we dont seem to be getting any of the good players who are right under our noses.

Lokko, along with Corne, has been player of the season so far for me. I can understand Vidal, who is arguably our most talented player but blows hot and cold from game to game, being left out. Lokko, Lee and Harris though?

When we came out for the second half and hadn't changed the lineup, I wasn't surprised. It should have changed, yes, but to do so would be an acknowledgement from the management team that they had got things wrong. Bite the bullet and do it.

Whatever style another team has, it just doesn't warrant having KSA in our team.

For me he lacks the desire and will to perform at this level (although I think he has the ability), and along with Tash should not have been given a season long contract.

 

First and foremost congrats to Carlisle on the well deserved victory - the margin of victory was incredibly harsh but clearly the superior team won. The second goal on half time was the killer for me and both the first half goals were avoidable which is the sad part. Congrats also to those who made it down from Cumbria - I realise there is a strong London supporters base for Carlisle but to muster 500+ for a Sunday lunchtime game is some effort so fair play to them and I hope their trials and tribulations at home will soon pass.

Now to the other side of things. One of the crowd I stand with said that he felt we lost the game before it even started and I am inclined to agree with him. Lokko has been one of our most consistent players and has the equal highest number of appearances so far this season. He is part of a back four that has the best goals against record in the bottom half of Conference National but he is left out?? Harris has not been in good form of late for me but scored a good goal last weekend and so his confidence would have been up - also the equal leading appearance maker and again left on the bench?? (I have subsequently been told he has been ill and missed training but there was no mention of this in Fridays interview and it can't have been that bad if he was selected in the squad and played for half an hour anyway) Lee is a bloke we have been desperate to play in the Cup, has been an ever present in the league for us, we get the clearance to play and his reward is a place on the bench?? And to top it off our leading goalscorer and probably our best set piece taker, who had been "rested" to avoid a suspension last weekend, was "rested" again by sitting on the bench for 90 minutes. How do we think those four blokes felt having traipsed to the likes of Barrow and Gateshead and worked their wotsits off all season to be left on the bench for our biggest game of the season whilst another bloke, who has had 20 minutes first team football since April, strolls (pun very much intended) straight back into the starting XI...?!?! BAD MANAGEMENT

And what about the substitutions during the game - holding midfielder off to be replaced by a holding midfielder. Centre forward off to be replaced by a winger with the previous winger (who is really a centre forward) taking his place. And then finally a centre forward replaced by another centre forward. No change of shape and nothing different for Carlisle to look at. BAD MANAGEMENT

I have been watching Welling for over 30 years and I have seen lots of talented players come and go. I have also seen players who have had little or no talent whatsoever but have compensated for this by giving 100%  effort each and every time they have set foot on the pitch. There are those who have both talent and effort and they have gone on to bigger and better things and there are a few of them in this team that I expect will take the same route. However when there are players who have no talent and no effort and are stealing a living at Conference National level then we are in real trouble and sadly we have at least a couple of those with us at the moment. However the fault doesn't always lie with the player as a) they didn't pick themselves and b) they didn't award themselves a contract. BAD MANAGEMENT

You can forget the four wins in a row - that was over two months ago. We have 6 points from the last 27 on offer in the league. That run of form has been masked by a good cup run but we have been lucky with the draws in the first two rounds and, lest we forget, we could have gone in the very first game after an abject performance at Grays.

We need to take some action and we need to take it quickly. I don't know if there is any room to improve the squad in January and there may have to be some "outs" before there are any "ins" but who is seriously going to want some of the players we currently have?! Also I am more than a little concerned that we might lose some of the better ones in January and then we really will be in the s**t. I don't think the overall level of the National league is that strong this year and a couple of tweaks in obvious areas would help us avoid relegation. However I am far from convinced the current "management team" have the wherewithal or the contacts to attract the right personnel.

I was prepared to leave the ground disappointed at 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon - what I was not prepared for was to leave the ground feeling so f****** angry and when a lot of the wounds are self inflicted like they were yesterday then that makes it all the worse. We never came close to giving them a game and no amount of waffle from the three amigos can hide that.

I would rather have one manager who knows what he is doing than three that patently do not. 

 

Listen to the interview and you still will not haveca clue

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Ashford Wing wrote:

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When we came out for the second half and hadn't changed the lineup, I wasn't surprised. It should have changed, yes, but to do so would be an acknowledgement from the management team that they had got things wrong. Bite the bullet and do it.

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You change it, it is better, you might have to eat humble pie but at least everyone goes away more positive that you tried to do something. You change it, it doesn't work, you can at least say it was no better than your original selection and are, to an extent, vindicated.

You make a poor decision and then compound it by inaction you leave yourself wide open to the shooting match now occurring on here. What do you actually stand to lose by doing the former?

This isn't a football skill, it's a general management skill.

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 Absolutely. Just to clarify, the only reason I knew it wouldn't change is because I've come to expect stubbornness from the managerial team. It's not the first time. 

I was away at the weekend so could not make the game but did manage to find a bar to watch from and have to agree with everything Wingnut has said above. My biggest concern in addition to all raised above is the morale now in the squad. We have at least three players, Vidal Lokko and Lee , who will now be totally fed up which will create issues within the squad. Other players will be very shocked at their omission from our biggest game of the season so will therefore be questioning the management team. All three should have played from the start and to pick KSA is quite frankly unreal. All fans were shocked by the team selection and I am sure the majority of the players too.

Loui and team have a huge amount to do to now to regain trust and credibility from the players and fans.

Lou

The players who were dropped or rested must be guttedq, biggest game most of them will have and that happens. I still cannot work out why that team selection was judged to of been the right approach.

If so why would he storm off down the tunnel when we used our final sub and it became apparent he wouldn't play.

Also, we are in no position to be resting players