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I'm sorry but Louis, Macca and Barnsey have written their resignations with that line up today. Abaoultley disgraceful.

How Reece Harris must feel after working his nuts off week after week only to be dropped for a player who is dreadful even when fully fit which he clearly is not I do not know. I ll post more thoughts later but for me these 3 are well out of their depth and if we stick with them then we are down.



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Got to go, thrown away games for this run. So much wrong with today and so much wrong with this season!

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Being a fan that doesn't attend many games these days what disappointed me the most today was the attitude of some fans. Moaning about people that "don't care about Welling and are only here for the day out ," or have "jumped on the bandwagon." One of which is a high profile member of the club.

Maybe things have changed in the time I've not been down there but the aim Of WUSA was to try and get attendances up. On today's showing the people that "aren't real Welling" won't be back in a hurry and that's real shame!!

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Time for a change NOW....before Xmas and the January window!



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I think the writing of resignations was due after Southport! I think they are decent people who tried hard but we need a real tough nut who is gonna get us to win games however it is done! The problem is that none the team selections make sense week in week out we have had a 1 up front game which is negative and does not allow the team to get more than 2 goals-if they are lucky. I thought today that they did try hard and were positive the management kept urging them to play higher- why didnt they do that against inferior opposition?

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The problem is who do we get in. At present we're above the relegation zone. The money that would be spent on compensation for early termination of the management team's contract would probably be better spent strengthening the squad.

The last thing we want is another Jody Brown coming in and spending all the cup and TV money on useless football league rejects. If it wasn't for the current management team we'd be in the conference south, propably with financial issues as well based on this season's drop in attendances despite staying up.

It's sometime better to look at things from the outside looking in rather than inside looking out. To sack the management team after reaching the second round of the FA cup for the first time in a while, and whilst being outside the relegation zone whilst firm favourites to be nailed to the bottom, would be viewed as madness to the rest of the footballing world. It would certainly limit the number of candidates willing to come forward to apply for the management job.

For those that really are in cloud cuckoo land, Jamie Day will not take a huge pay cut to come back here.

Chris if you can still edit the original post it might be worth adding a poll.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 06:28:49 PM

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Muzza wrote:

Being a fan that doesn't attend many games these days what disappointed me the most today was the attitude of some fans. Moaning about people that "don't care about Welling and are only here for the day out ," or have "jumped on the bandwagon." One of which is a high profile member of the club.

Maybe things have changed in the time I've not been down there but the aim Of WUSA was to try and get attendances up. On today's showing the people that "aren't real Welling" won't be back in a hurry and that's real shame!!

 

Thing is when we have big games: the neutral, the fan who can't make games on a Saturday, the armchair fan, the hooligan, the floater, the players relatives, the Charlton fan, the Millwall fan, the interested local - they were all there today. It is frustrating that some of these fans don't come along to PVR when a normal league match is. You would certainly get better value for money compared to today. If some of these fans can make today, can't they make the odd Saturday league match when we really need it?



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I don't know how to put a poll up but I believe somebody will soon. Personally I'd try to get Jamie Day back but failing that I'd look at somebody like Keith Mcmahon at VCD. At least somebody with experience who can pick our best team.



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Certainly pick a team that roughly play in the positions they are meant to would be a start.....

If JD is available...do it!

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I have heard from a good sauce that Faz travels in to training with KSA. If true then further evidence that today's starting line was questionable.



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GaryH wrote:
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Being a fan that doesn't attend many games these days what disappointed me the most today was the attitude of some fans. Moaning about people that "don't care about Welling and are only here for the day out ," or have "jumped on the bandwagon." One of which is a high profile member of the club.

Maybe things have changed in the time I've not been down there but the aim Of WUSA was to try and get attendances up. On today's showing the people that "aren't real Welling" won't be back in a hurry and that's real shame!!

 

Thing is when we have big games: the neutral, the fan who can't make games on a Saturday, the armchair fan, the hooligan, the floater, the players relatives, the Charlton fan, the Millwall fan, the interested local - they were all there today. It is frustrating that some of these fans don't come along to PVR when a normal league match is. You would certainly get better value for money compared to today. If some of these fans can make today, can't they make the odd Saturday league match when we really need it?

 I agree we do need more who turn up regularly but with too  many Tuesday evening games it has stopped us building a consistent run of games. Despite the result I think the crowd enjoyed the game and could see that a poor ref and some bad luck lost it for us. I invited a friend today who will definitely be back, just we really need to have more consistency from the management as they dont know what the right team is



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Certainly pick a team that roughly play in the positions they are meant to would be a start.....

If JD is available...do it!

 Like I said, considering JD is currently on more money as AM of a club pushing for promotion, than we could ever offer him a manager I'd be amazed if he'd come back.

Other than that we're just taking a huge risk on another potential Jody Brown.

Let's not cut out nose to spite our face.

Prior to today we had a decent performance and away point at Lincoln. A result at Tilbury would inject some much needed positivity and we can focus on moving further away from the relegation zone and closer to the top half.

 



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I have heard from a good sauce that Faz travels in to training with KSA. If true then further evidence that today's starting line was questionable.

 well it looked like a mates decision and I am sure the ref and lino were getting a lift back on the Carlisle coach



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Wellingking wrote:
GaryH wrote:
Muzza wrote:

Being a fan that doesn't attend many games these days what disappointed me the most today was the attitude of some fans. Moaning about people that "don't care about Welling and are only here for the day out ," or have "jumped on the bandwagon." One of which is a high profile member of the club.

Maybe things have changed in the time I've not been down there but the aim Of WUSA was to try and get attendances up. On today's showing the people that "aren't real Welling" won't be back in a hurry and that's real shame!!

 

Thing is when we have big games: the neutral, the fan who can't make games on a Saturday, the armchair fan, the hooligan, the floater, the players relatives, the Charlton fan, the Millwall fan, the interested local - they were all there today. It is frustrating that some of these fans don't come along to PVR when a normal league match is. You would certainly get better value for money compared to today. If some of these fans can make today, can't they make the odd Saturday league match when we really need it?

 I agree we do need more who turn up regularly but with too  many Tuesday evening games it has stopped us building a consistent run of games. Despite the result I think the crowd enjoyed the game and could see that a poor ref and some bad luck lost it for us. I invited a friend today who will definitely be back, just we really need to have more consistency from the management as they dont know what the right team is

 From the rest of the season we now appear to have more Saturday games than Tuesdays. The highlights showed that the second goal was a hand ball, that were owed at least one penalty and that the sending off was harsh. If the decisions had gone our way we would have the moaners on here now calling for management to be sacked.

We've managed to get new faces through the turnstile which is the hardest bit. Regardless of us losing, it was an entertaining game rather than a 0-0 bore draw. With further publicity pushes and promotions I'm sure we'll eventually see many of those people back.



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The problem is who do we get in. At present we're above the relegation zone. The money that would be spent on compensation for early termination of the management team's contract would probably be better spent strengthening the squad.

The last thing we want is another Jody Brown coming in and spending all the cup and TV money on useless football league rejects. If it wasn't for the current management team we'd be in the conference south, propably with financial issues as well based on this season's drop in attendances despite staying up.

It's sometime better to look at things from the outside looking in rather than inside looking out. To sack the management team after reaching the second round of the FA cup for the first time in a while, and whilst being outside the relegation zone whilst firm favourites to be nailed to the bottom, would be viewed as madness to the rest of the footballing world. It would certainly limit the number of candidates willing to come forward to apply for the management job.

For those that really are in cloud cuckoo land, Jamie Day will not take a huge pay cut to come back here.

Chris if you can still edit the original post it might be worth adding a poll.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 06:28:49 PM

 I think you are right  the priority is staying up, the management team is not a longterm solution and who do we get? I would like to see a change but not on the basis of loosing to a league 2 team. Loosing to Southport and not keeping winning positions is a worry. I think Loui it too close to some of those on the pitch and it doesnt help when you put some much trust in KSA who couldnt score or hold the ball up last year! the key is spending the remaining money on a goalscorer and then looking at the management situation if we have enough pts to stay up. I would prefer  a change but who?their own benchmark of success is midtable but we dont look like getting that. If the poor run continues then the club will be forced to act but lets have a longterm 



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If I recall, when Jamie Day left for a new challenge with Ebbsfleet he acknowledged that he didn't really feel he take the club much further on the resources available? Welling were 17th then.

Would he really be interested then in the same gig if the people he had to take over from had been sacked because 19th wasn't good enough? That is before you discuss making the 2nd Round of the FA Cup and overhauling a 7 (?7) point gap in the final month of the previous season to stay up.


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Forget today's performance then, despite the appauling team selection. We have one league win in 10 games. What's going to change after a shocker at home to Carlisle and a very poor performance to Guiseley ( why did we rest Vidal if he was never going to play?).

All season long since the Sutton pre season game, us fans have been saying we won't score goals. If the "Management team" have done nothing to correct this then they should accept criticism. We could get some random manager in, but can ot be worse than 1 win in 10? Kidderminster, Halifax and Southport have all changed there manager and have picked up a few wins. There are some very deluded people on here.

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Forget today's performance then, despite the appauling team selection. We have one league win in 10 games. What's going to change after a shocker at home to Carlisle and a very poor performance to Guiseley ( why did we rest Vidal if he was never going to play?).

All season long since the Sutton pre season game, us fans have been saying we won't score goals. If the "Management team" have done nothing to correct this then they should accept criticism. We could get some random manager in, but can ot be worse than 1 win in 10? Kidderminster, Halifax and Southport have all changed there manager and have picked up a few wins. There are some very deluded people on here.

 who would you recommend as the next manager? who would be a good choice?



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Wellingking wrote:
WingsTillIDie wrote:

The problem is who do we get in. At present we're above the relegation zone. The money that would be spent on compensation for early termination of the management team's contract would probably be better spent strengthening the squad.

The last thing we want is another Jody Brown coming in and spending all the cup and TV money on useless football league rejects. If it wasn't for the current management team we'd be in the conference south, propably with financial issues as well based on this season's drop in attendances despite staying up.

It's sometime better to look at things from the outside looking in rather than inside looking out. To sack the management team after reaching the second round of the FA cup for the first time in a while, and whilst being outside the relegation zone whilst firm favourites to be nailed to the bottom, would be viewed as madness to the rest of the footballing world. It would certainly limit the number of candidates willing to come forward to apply for the management job.

For those that really are in cloud cuckoo land, Jamie Day will not take a huge pay cut to come back here.

Chris if you can still edit the original post it might be worth adding a poll.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 06:28:49 PM

 I think you are right  the priority is staying up, the management team is not a longterm solution and who do we get? I would like to see a change but not on the basis of loosing to a league 2 team. Loosing to Southport and not keeping winning positions is a worry. I think Loui it too close to some of those on the pitch and it doesnt help when you put some much trust in KSA who couldnt score or hold the ball up last year! the key is spending the remaining money on a goalscorer and then looking at the management situation if we have enough pts to stay up. I would prefer  a change but who?their own benchmark of success is midtable but we dont look like getting that. If the poor run continues then the club will be forced to act but lets have a longterm 

 And who would you trust to spend this money on a goalscorer? The man who put both KSA and Tashan on a year's contract?



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The problem is who do we get in. At present we're above the relegation zone. The money that would be spent on compensation for early termination of the management team's contract would probably be better spent strengthening the squad.

The last thing we want is another Jody Brown coming in and spending all the cup and TV money on useless football league rejects. If it wasn't for the current management team we'd be in the conference south, propably with financial issues as well based on this season's drop in attendances despite staying up.

It's sometime better to look at things from the outside looking in rather than inside looking out. To sack the management team after reaching the second round of the FA cup for the first time in a while, and whilst being outside the relegation zone whilst firm favourites to be nailed to the bottom, would be viewed as madness to the rest of the footballing world. It would certainly limit the number of candidates willing to come forward to apply for the management job.

For those that really are in cloud cuckoo land, Jamie Day will not take a huge pay cut to come back here.

Chris if you can still edit the original post it might be worth adding a poll.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 06:28:49 PM

 I think you are right  the priority is staying up, the management team is not a longterm solution and who do we get? I would like to see a change but not on the basis of loosing to a league 2 team. Loosing to Southport and not keeping winning positions is a worry. I think Loui it too close to some of those on the pitch and it doesnt help when you put some much trust in KSA who couldnt score or hold the ball up last year! the key is spending the remaining money on a goalscorer and then looking at the management situation if we have enough pts to stay up. I would prefer  a change but who?their own benchmark of success is midtable but we dont look like getting that. If the poor run continues then the club will be forced to act but lets have a longterm 

I agree. With a huge chunk of TV and Cup money being used to plug the supposed £30k hole in the budget from the fall in attendances (mostly due to disproportionate number of Tuesday games). What little money the club has remaining from that should be spent on a goal scorer not paying off the management team when handing them their P45s.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 07:37:28 PM

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Stoddy wrote:
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The problem is who do we get in. At present we're above the relegation zone. The money that would be spent on compensation for early termination of the management team's contract would probably be better spent strengthening the squad.

The last thing we want is another Jody Brown coming in and spending all the cup and TV money on useless football league rejects. If it wasn't for the current management team we'd be in the conference south, propably with financial issues as well based on this season's drop in attendances despite staying up.

It's sometime better to look at things from the outside looking in rather than inside looking out. To sack the management team after reaching the second round of the FA cup for the first time in a while, and whilst being outside the relegation zone whilst firm favourites to be nailed to the bottom, would be viewed as madness to the rest of the footballing world. It would certainly limit the number of candidates willing to come forward to apply for the management job.

For those that really are in cloud cuckoo land, Jamie Day will not take a huge pay cut to come back here.

Chris if you can still edit the original post it might be worth adding a poll.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 06:28:49 PM

 I think you are right  the priority is staying up, the management team is not a longterm solution and who do we get? I would like to see a change but not on the basis of loosing to a league 2 team. Loosing to Southport and not keeping winning positions is a worry. I think Loui it too close to some of those on the pitch and it doesnt help when you put some much trust in KSA who couldnt score or hold the ball up last year! the key is spending the remaining money on a goalscorer and then looking at the management situation if we have enough pts to stay up. I would prefer  a change but who?their own benchmark of success is midtable but we dont look like getting that. If the poor run continues then the club will be forced to act but lets have a longterm 

 And who would you trust to spend this money on a goalscorer? The man who put both KSA and Tashan on a year's contract?

 At the moment I have very little trust in their judgement, but I worry that we will end up with Jody Brown mark 2 which is worse but  only marginally than what we have. money is tight but the main issue is goals. who do you think should be the manager if Loui goes?



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MarkX wrote:

Time for a change NOW....before Xmas and the January window!

 which manager would you like to see come in-who could get the team winning and get us to mid-table?

 



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Anyone has a chance Wellingking. 1 win in 10 is a pretty bad record to beat

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Today was the third time this season we didn't play our strongest team in an important game and each time, we lost!

Do l need to say more?

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I heard that we had turned down Marsh in favour of Kabba. A bizarre and very questionable decision if it is true.

Vidal has rarely been used in the correct position playing behind a good centre forward.
Porter and Bakare could have played together up front today with Vidal behind them with Lee, Harris and Corne in midfield.

How did Osborne get picked ahead of Lokko, I do not know on performances so far this season.

Again why do we have KSA on our books, what is the point, why was he picked after only 20 minutes all season, no logical explanation.

The team seems to have lost its spark and enthusiasm, performances in the last ten games have been very flat, constant changes in line ups and tactics is not working.

Would Barry Ashby and Dean Frost be interested in a return at least until the end of the season?

Why did the club allow so many sub standard players to be signed to contract, we never used to do that so much. We are stuck with several players who are clearly not good enough for this level and no one would want them on loan.

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League is vital and the games against Southport and Guisley were games to win, but we left players out because of the cup and they didnt play....

Harris played well and scored v Lincoln but dropped today, Harry Lee most consistent performer and Vidal has not started for two maybe three games bizarre...

Now KSA a man who has been out since start of July and i feel sorry for him as it takes a lot to come back from injury however the man isnt good enough the management put him in a no win situation as he isnt and never has been a goalscorer.....

Thank you Loui and the team but time for a change



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Cannot be bothered to quote every stupid comment on this thread, but here the rant goes ...Firstly we have someone turning up to there first game in over a year talking about bang waggon it's said in jest and 2 will you be there next week??? Secondly people talking about the management, Keith mcmayon!!! Do me a ****ing favour.....people talking about old players...get the **** over it, these players move for money, and third how many are behind the goal trying to motivate the players...cos I don't know none of of you!!! Absolute ****ing shambles

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The problem is who do we get in. At present we're above the relegation zone. The money that would be spent on compensation for early termination of the management team's contract would probably be better spent strengthening the squad.

The last thing we want is another Jody Brown coming in and spending all the cup and TV money on useless football league rejects. If it wasn't for the current management team we'd be in the conference south, propably with financial issues as well based on this season's drop in attendances despite staying up.

It's sometime better to look at things from the outside looking in rather than inside looking out. To sack the management team after reaching the second round of the FA cup for the first time in a while, and whilst being outside the relegation zone whilst firm favourites to be nailed to the bottom, would be viewed as madness to the rest of the footballing world. It would certainly limit the number of candidates willing to come forward to apply for the management job.

For those that really are in cloud cuckoo land, Jamie Day will not take a huge pay cut to come back here.

Chris if you can still edit the original post it might be worth adding a poll.



-- Edited by WingsTillIDie on Sunday 6th of December 2015 06:28:49 PM



Have I just landed back in the Jody Brown must go thread or was it a cut and paste job? It won't work every time but if what you have isn't working either, where is the madness.


Anyone convince me we started with the right team today as we didn't get battered, saved a penalty, had the keeper as a man of the match and still lost 5-0. There are other selections we could have made where it would have been a genuine matter of opinion which line up was stronger but not that one. Most people who had watched a number of games last season could have and did say what would happen before the game when we saw that line up (certainly if you were at Maidstone last year!). It is difficult to get positive and wind up the encouragement after if you have walked in to see we are going with that. However, as we know, we are not educated football men!

If you are going to be bold enough and stick your neck out and make a selection like that you need to be equally bold and change it when it is obvious it isn't working. However we didn't. You can only justifiably grumble at bad decisions by the ref if you are getting your own right. We had got too many wrong before his influence became material. I'm sure this will get trotted out somewhere because it is easier than looking at where we went wrong?

The only question I'd put to Loui is 'What have you learned from Guiseley, Southport and today'? I'm not sure the answer would have me radiating positivity for the future!

(I am sure that there will be or has been one game in his life where KSA is the pivotal match winner. If it hasn't occurred yet I don't really want to sift through all the other games to get to it as the evidence does not readily suggest it will be in this league or the one below.)

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Loui and the team will not accept any fault at all.

KSA is untouchable it seems. Pathetic.

Vidal, clubs top scorer, rested to avoid ban for this game, doesn't feature.

Those few points alone are enough to move him on surely, let alone the performances and results overall in recent months.

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Just a reminder to bring people back down to earth, as per Barry's notes in the Southport programme all the TV and Cup money will be just plugging the hole in the budget from the low attendances.

There is no money to bring in a new manager from outside the club. All we'll have is someone made player manager as Faz was...

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Publicity pushes? Were fans walking through the gate given fixture lists for the rest of the season? How about fans being given a half price offer for attending the next home game? With so many people in attendance some sort of offer could have been made?



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How on earth do you know what it will cost to replace the management team?

So do you think we should stick with what we have and get relegated? Or try and change it and possibly survive?

 It won't cost nothing to sack them as they're on contracts.

If you care to look at the table we're currently outside the relegation zone which based on the odds given by the bookies each season shouldn't be possible.

Yet again a reminder that you and a number of others were calling for the management team to be sacked prior to the four match winning win.

Getting rid of the current management team and bringing in another Jody Brown with no playing budget, that will get us relegated.



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So i will keep making the same point. Do we just carry on and hope things will change? All season we have been saying we need a goalscorer yet we bring a centre midfielder and a winger in on loan. We have signed players who are not up to this level and put them on contracts so there is no flexibility to change the playing squad.

Southport changed their manager and have won their last 2. Halifax and Torquay also did and have picked up results. Jamie came in when we were near the bottom of the league and took us to an 8th placed finish. Someone might come in and not be able to turn things round, but i'm not sure what the current management team will be able to do.

I would love for the current management team to be able to do it. I'm just not sure they will.

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Without a decent striker, a new manager will make no difference at all, if not make the situation worse.

It's a shame as the majority of our forwards have shown glimpses of their full potential but as we saw yesterday with KSA most of the time they just can't be arsed.

As said already I'd rather what little budget the club has remaining was spent on strengthening the squad rather than sacking the current management and bringing in another potential Jody Brown, or having to make another member of the squad player/manager.

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You are making a huge assumption that they are actually on a contract are you not!

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WingsTillIDie wrote:

Without a decent striker, a new manager will make no difference at all, if not make the situation worse.

It's a shame as the majority of our forwards have shown glimpses of their full potential but as we saw yesterday with KSA most of the time they just can't be arsed.

As said already I'd rather what little budget the club has remaining was spent on strengthening the squad rather than sacking the current management and bringing in another potential Jody Brown, or having to make another member of the squad player/manager.

A new manager might attempt to source a new striker, the current manager is apparently happy with his options as proven by signing other players in other positions like Semedo, and also saying on loan deadline day, on camera, he was happy with what he had.

So yes, a new manager would make a difference.



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If KSA is getting preferential treatment as he is car pooling with the manager I don't think many will be too impressed.

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WingsTillIDie wrote


As said already I'd rather what little budget the club has remaining was spent on strengthening the squad rather than sacking the current management and bringing in another potential Jody Brown, or having to make another member of the squad player/manager.

 Braintree took a chance with a manager from a lower level to replace the experienced Alan Devonshire. They haven't done badly this season so far!

It's all swings and roundabouts!



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It is currently 24 points from 23 games.

Last season they accrued 12 points from 11 games and we stayed up. The misconception here is that we stayed up because of the new management team. The answer to that is yes and no. Yes we would have gone down had we left The Educated One at the helm but the main reason we survived is because three teams were already dead and buried and Alfreton were just a little bit worse than us (thank Christ) and conceded more goals than we did.

So this management team has achieved 36 points from 34 games (1.06 per game) which would give us 48/49 at the end of the season - maybe enough, maybe not. On the form of the last two months we are nowhere near that points tally in what is undoubtedly the weakest National league since we rejoined it. The Welling team that won Conference South would be knocking on the door of play offs this season!

They have made a rod for their own back by dishing out contracts like sweets and playing Football Manager with the squad. We have not scored more than 2 goals in any league game all season.

I don't have any idea what contracts (if any) are on the table. Do we stick or twist. If we stick we are heading back to National South in my opinion. If we twist that might still happen but, then again, it might not.

 

 

 

 



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