oohahhfranzcarr wrote:

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Mr A Realist wrote:

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To those of you that are positive. How bad must results and performances, management team selections and tactics, be before you request a change?

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.....To those who aren't positive, how good must results be (what does the league position need to be, which round of each cup competition should the club be making) before you'd be happy with the current management team?

From my own point of view, I would be positive (and hopeful) so long as we played our best players in their best positions, in the best system that suits them and which gives the best chance of winning matches. It doesn't have to be pretty, just committed to the shirt. League positions and cup rounds are immaterial so long as all are seen trying their best. If that results in defeat and subsequently relegation then so be it, at least they can look back and say they gave it their best positive shot. I don't think they can all say that in recent times, and that's from top to bottom.

 

-- Edited by oohahhfranzcarr on Saturday 12th of December 2015 06:55:30 PM

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bexleylion wrote:

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WingsTillIDie wrote:

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The likes of Bromley, Dartford and Ebbsfleet must be rubbing their hands in glee at reading some of these posts.

People have to remember the run we were on with Jody Brown and then how Faz,PB and MM turned it around and kept us up.

Not even ten games into this season people were calling for the management team to be sacked. We then won at Gateshead and went onto four straight wins.

Faz, PB and MM have turned the team around twice before and can do it again. The team have got a win today to hopefully reinject a bit of confidence they need to regain their full potential. Let's do our bit by getting behind the lads instead of criticising them unnecessarily.

We all know the lads can get three points on Saturday. Let's start showing them that we believe that.

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 I'm sorry WTID, please forgive me but I can't share your enthusiasm about the collection of points. I was backing the management team from appointment and up until the Southport reverse. I was lifted by the FGR point after Guiseley, but thrown just 11 days later. You must never lose to those in the mire around you. And then to change the selection formula so 'non-strikingly' for Carlisle was IMO, crassness at its worst and may have cost us potentially 1000 occasional supporters. The performances have generally been below par but all the time we kept up with the survival target proportion of points, I accepted the poor showings when they happened. In fact after the Barrow away draw, we had 22 points from 18 games and were two points ahead of the proportionate safety target. Then came the cup games and with it IMO, silly selection season to avoid bookings. Terrible displays got us past Grays and Barwell but the pattern had been disrupted, and after the Grays debacle, only 2 points from 15 in the league since (including those so important defeats to Guiseley and Stockport, real 6 pointers) and now we are one point behind proportionate safety, ie on the slide? I hope I am wrong and i come back here in April to say, "you were right WITD", but I fear the slope is steeper than you think and something needs to be done to arrest it...quick. Had we maintained the 4-0 scoreline to the end today or even 4-1, I would have been much more positive about next week, but three goals in the last few minutes whatever luck or bad luck was involved, is mighty frightening.

-- Edited by bexleylion on Saturday 12th of December 2015 10:54:55 PM

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 agree I will still be there every week even if its rubbish because I support Welling but 3 goals in the last few minutes and the type of teams we are playing in the next few games is worrying. Anyway there is still time for a miracle- they could beat them all and then Faz would be a hero and the discussion we are all having would peter out. Their own benchmark of success is mid-table and we are still a long way from it

Graham, as I said earlier in this or a previous thread, I go to support the Wings hoping to see some organisation, committment, entertainment and to enjoy what I see. All these 'personal requirements' can never be guaranteed, that I understand, but when most are lacking match after match my own committment questions itself. And my biggest concern is my already high blood pressure!!

OMERTA elb wrote:

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I did not go to the Tilbury match, but it seemed to me that the team selection was spot-on for the conditions - a very heavy pitch, apparently some patches of surface water and a gale-force wind. Ok, it was a challenge to put KSA in the starting line-up having played barely a full competitive match this season - but he got the first goal and, somehow, got man of the match from Wings TV so he must have done something right.

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 Did he look good against a Rymans League 1 side? Yes.

Did he deserve MOM ahead of the man who always runs his socks off and was rightly rewarded with 2 goals? No.

Have we seen a new improved version of KSA? No. IMHO all we've seen is the correct level of team that he should be playing against each week.

I hope he proves me wrong, but I also hope he doesn't get the chance to.

bexleylion wrote:

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Graham, as I said earlier in this or a previous thread, I go to support the Wings hoping to see some organisation, committment, entertainment and to enjoy what I see. All these 'personal requirements' can never be guaranteed, that I understand, but when most are lacking match after match my own committment questions itself. And my biggest concern is my already high blood pressure!!

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 Football's about opinions, I get that.  I think everyone's frustrated recently,  but as Andrew said it's about supporting through thick and thin.  We've had more bad times than good times in the last 13 years I've been a season ticket holder,  and realistically that's why I like it. It makes the good times even better. 

As I said last week, in the wider scheme of things, Tilbury makes little or no difference to our prospects of survival in the National League. Credit to the lads for scoring a few goals and battling hard on an awful surface and difficult conditions and scoring some decent goals and also for standing up to a lot of physical and verbal intimidation. Did we learn anything new........NO

Our two goalkeepers (no idea who the number one is anymore) are prone to too many mistakes.

Our captain when given time and space is a half decent footballer but two of the best games I have seen from him have been against Barwell and Tilbury which says it all really.

We scored four goals for the second time this season -  against a team three levels below us (the previous time was against a team two levels below us) Outside of that we have not scored more than two in a game.

KSA had to start - if the three amigos thought he was the right choice last week then he had to be the right choice this week. They would have looked very stupid and open to further criticism if they had left him out on Saturday. He was better but that is because he was playing against Ryman North defenders and not League Two defenders.

And for those that keep spouting about budgets and where we should be in the league I don't care. Yes as a club we are punching above our weight but the standard overall in the National League this season has been poor and we should be higher than we are and not lower. lack of goals means lack of points which means more pressure on defenders and goalkeeper which may lead to more errors.

Another win in the Trophy (after another very favourable draw) is just further clouding the issue.

 

 

 

-- Edited by Wingnut on Monday 14th of December 2015 09:56:11 AM