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It's beginning to seem to me that the powers that be find our current results and league placing acceptable. If that's the case I'll start spending my £15 elsewhere. This shambles can not continue any longer. 



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yes it looks bad and the longer it goes on the more time is running out. I would like to think that WUSA would be saying what the fans think in these discussions and trying to construct some plan for the way forward. Yes it is a shambles and thats why I have mentioned my concerns about the silence from the club(even though I respect the present owners history with the club and their efforts) but its their silence on the way forward that is worrying and I think it is worse than the Brown situation, if we are honest about it. The tail will soon wag and Torquay and Halifax are due a good run and we better hope we start winning if their is no change in the management or personnel.

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yes it looks bad and the longer it goes on the more time is running out. I would like to think that WUSA would be saying what the fans think in these discussions and trying to construct some plan for the way forward. Yes it is a shambles and thats why I have mentioned my concerns about the silence from the club(even though I respect the present owners history with the club and their efforts) but its their silence on the way forward that is worrying and I think it is worse than the Brown situation, if we are honest about it. The tail will soon wag and Torquay and Halifax are due a good run and we better hope we start winning if their is no change in the management or personnel.


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It's beginning to seem to me that the powers that be find our current results and league placing acceptable. If that's the case I'll start spending my £15 elsewhere. This shambles can not continue any longer. 


 I and Fab won't be pushing the boat out to make home games now, 100 mile round trip to watch that ............

Think Dec goal of the mouth sums up things ..........



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There has been a lot of comment about finances and how the Board should sack Faz & Co, or finance bringing in new players. But perhaps the National League is just too expensive for the resources they have available. The cost of running a club has increased significantly in recent years so perhaps they would just be happier to operate at a lower level? Might explain the lack of action?



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There has been a lot of comment about finances and how the Board should sack Faz & Co, or finance bringing in new players. But perhaps the National League is just too expensive for the resources they have available. The cost of running a club has increased significantly in recent years so perhaps they would just be happier to operate at a lower level? Might explain the lack of action?


 The world does n't stand still. If we accept relegation then inevitably people will question our ambition to go up again from the south. The Ryman will beckon.

The club owners do not have huge resources and that makes running a club at this level difficult. If they really care about the club you would think that they would seek new investors/potential owners. You would at least think they would be arsed enough to intervene when a management team are so clearly failing at a crucial time.



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So...we may as well give up and play park football......OR....we give it a go with a change...NOW



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OMERTA elb wrote:
Wellingking wrote:

yes it looks bad and the longer it goes on the more time is running out. I would like to think that WUSA would be saying what the fans think in these discussions and trying to construct some plan for the way forward. Yes it is a shambles and thats why I have mentioned my concerns about the silence from the club(even though I respect the present owners history with the club and their efforts) but its their silence on the way forward that is worrying and I think it is worse than the Brown situation, if we are honest about it. The tail will soon wag and Torquay and Halifax are due a good run and we better hope we start winning if their is no change in the management or personnel.


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 Am I permitted to ask if there are any WUSA members participating in the latest discussions on this thread?



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Me too!

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I apologise for my naivety and not knowing the form, my purpose in asking the question was to determine if the general mood of this forum is picked up by the fan on the board, who I now presume is Matt the Hat? and does he report the mood back to the Board? If so then what reaction comes from within, because general joe public are not seeing any? hence the assumption they must be happy as things are?
My concern is enhanced because I think I am currently seeing the 30+ years of level 5 and 6 football at PVR, crumbling and nose diving towards lower levels. And friends are now voting with their feet losing interest rapidly. Hope I am wrong.

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It's beginning to seem to me that the powers that be find our current results and league placing acceptable. If that's the case I'll start spending my £15 elsewhere. This shambles can not continue any longer. 


 I and Fab won't be pushing the boat out to make home games now, 100 mile round trip to watch that ............

Think Dec goal of the mouth sums up things ..........


I did chuckle to myself at that - only five goals to choose from - an injury time scramble against Dover and four goals against a pub team.

If it wasn't for the Tilbury game Sponsor a Goal would almost be paying us this month...!



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You're a ****ing moron. In what situation would you ever grow a pair a sack someone? We need a striker yes, but our management team aren't even looking for one. They're almost as pathetic and deluded as you are.

Personally I'm sick of **** like this on the forum....Mr Acute Realist.......with views that aren't of a balanced realist at all.......and this was directed to the one lone ranger standing up for Faz......

It's not good out on the field...we all know that......but grinding all the positives out and all the negatives in is not the way forward.....I don't like it.....takes it all away from Lokko....Jefford.....Lee......Corne.....Williams.....Chambo......brilliant individual performances all season..potential league 2 players (at least) in the main...too easy to fall behind the big NEG voices..........

We do ned a striker tho !!! :)))))))

Happy New Year all.......x



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My views aren't meant to be balanced, I have my view like anyone else, and it is currently that there are massive problems at the club, starting largely with the dugout, and some of the crap on the field which has been put on contract by the management team.

You mention one lone ranger standing up for Faz, so that would suggest that many, many others support the view that he should go. Perhaps I put my point across a little too bluntly, but hey, that's my choice.

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And anyone who disagrees isn't allowed their view, to the point of getting called a ****ing moron?



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No, not anyone, that comment was aimed at one individual, as you well know. It also wasn't brought up by that individual at the time, or for nearly a week, until this morning, when someone allegedly a troll decided to re-visit it.

Everyone is entitled to their view, as am I entitled to disagree with it.

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Would it not be better to conduct these points on the WUSA forum away from the imposters, mischief makers and trolls? 



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I think that posts which have swearing and abuse are not acceptable on here, but I understand the sentiment. I wouldnt go so far as to call people trolls or mischief makers. I think that we have a lot of people here are concerned because they love Welling United and dont wish for relegation. When the team has won or drawn against top teams then by and large the posts are positive but unfortunately we have only won 6 games all season and like it or not there will not be too many positives. The previous comment above talked of the really good performances by Lokko and Corne etc and I agree but the team is not led well and missing 3 players to make it competitive at this level. and that is where the issue is. I would love to beat Dover away because there arrogance at PVR was difficult to stomach but it would be a miracle. I have 2 sons who were very enthusiastic about going to watch the games but even I cant convince them to watch us recently when the football has been so dire-but thats another issue!


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hahahaha just seen this.....you calling me a troll.....I'm just reflecting as I do actually live quite close to a bridge....:))

 

Get real Mr A........I'm convinced now that A stands for Appy......hahahahaha



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hahahaha just seen this.....you calling me a troll.....I'm just reflecting as I do actually live quite close to a bridge....:))

 

Get real Mr A........I'm convinced now that A stands for Appy......hahahahaha


 indeed I am. Both the ex forum admin and the current forum admin have no idea who you are, as do I. Given between us we've hardly missed a game in five years I find that surprising. Do enlighten me. 



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Sorry didn't you say you used to post a lot then you stopped but you've come back now with a different name to post on the forum??......and everything that comes from you is negative and divisive...............and you're calling me a troll....??

Course the A isn't for Appy.......its for another word with an s and an e...:))

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Mr A Realist wrote:
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hahahaha just seen this.....you calling me a troll.....I'm just reflecting as I do actually live quite close to a bridge....:))

 

Get real Mr A........I'm convinced now that A stands for Appy......hahahahaha


 indeed I am. Both the ex forum admin and the current forum admin have no idea who you are, as do I. Given between us we've hardly missed a game in five years I find that surprising. Do enlighten me. 


Looking through his posts I can't see any reason why anyone would suggest dansonsmiths is a troll. If there is something I missed please enlighten me. Too often it appears that  if you aren't a known name you get accused of being a troll. Let's face it Mr Realist why have you felt the need to reinvent yourself? What's wrong with one of your previous identities?



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Dansonsmiths. My post about today's performance was fairly positive. As were most people's opinions. What are your thoughts having been there? If you are not a troll please let me know your name via PM and I will meet you in the bar and buy you a pint on Saturday versus Grimsby.

Andrew. I have never spoken to you and I don't know you but others assure me you're a regular fan. Yes. If I and others I socialise with don't know people that post mainly negative posts i'll assume they are trouble makers. My posts are currently negative as a result of attending 90% of games and witnessing mainly dross. Negativity from someone not there is another thing, especially if their genuine love of the club justifying dozens of forum posts outnumbers their game attendance and/or familiarity in person to hardcore fans. I'm equally questioning of people overly positive when not known to me.

I haven't reinvented myself. Deleted accounts cannot be re-activated.


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I'm sure you remember crossing swords in the past and so you will know whether or not I'm a "real" fan. My point was that I cannot see anything untoward in dansonsmiths previous posts so he's a troll simply because he doesn't follow the accepted party line.



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It's not a case of face doesn't fit Andrew. It's a case of if you aren't known to regulars people will take your comments with a pinch of salt. Most people on here know me and my real name and my thoughts from speaking to me in person. Anyone that doesn't I'm happy to disclose my name and thoughts via PM or in person at a home game. Anyone not willingnor able to do similar we should be sceptical of. There are a lot of trolls on here st present. Fact. Ask the admin.

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Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:

I'm sure you remember crossing swords in the past and so you will know whether or not I'm a "real" fan. My point was that I cannot see anything untoward in dansonsmiths previous posts so he's a troll simply because he doesn't follow the accepted party line.


Is that a question or statement? 

I haven't said that. I think he's a troll. Not because of a "party line". I didn't realise we had a party line. What is it?

 



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I'm sure you remember crossing swords in the past and so you will know whether or not I'm a "real" fan. My point was that I cannot see anything untoward in dansonsmiths previous posts so he's a troll simply because he doesn't follow the accepted party line.


Is that a question or statement? 

I haven't said that. I think he's a troll. Not because of a "party line". I didn't realise we had a party line. What is it?

 


Is what a question or a statement? My first sentence was a statement. As was my second. I couldn't see any negative posts by dansonsmiths and so I'm at a loss as to why he might be considered a troll.



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I'm sure you remember crossing swords in the past and so you will know whether or not I'm a "real" fan. My point was that I cannot see anything untoward in dansonsmiths previous posts so he's a troll simply because he doesn't follow the accepted party line.


Is that a question or statement? 

I haven't said that. I think he's a troll. Not because of a "party line". I didn't realise we had a party line. What is it?

 


Is what a question or a statement? My first sentence was a statement. As was my second. I couldn't see any negative posts by dansonsmiths and so I'm at a loss as to why he might be considered a troll.


 Ok. So it's a statement. So you are stating he is a troll. You are stating he is a troll as he doesn't follow the party line. 



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Mr A Realist wrote:
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Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:

I'm sure you remember crossing swords in the past and so you will know whether or not I'm a "real" fan. My point was that I cannot see anything untoward in dansonsmiths previous posts so he's a troll simply because he doesn't follow the accepted party line.


Is that a question or statement? 

I haven't said that. I think he's a troll. Not because of a "party line". I didn't realise we had a party line. What is it?

 


Is what a question or a statement? My first sentence was a statement. As was my second. I couldn't see any negative posts by dansonsmiths and so I'm at a loss as to why he might be considered a troll.


 Ok. So it's a statement. So you are stating he is a troll. You are stating he is a troll as he doesn't follow the party line. 


 Put it that way yes, if he doesn't agree with your point of view he must be a troll and so yes it's a statement. Although looking at the negativity of your posts I would suggest that you are a troll.



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Ok. I look forward to your and dansonsmiths assessment of the game.

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Ok. I look forward to your and dansonsmiths assessment of the game.


I was at work today and so will not comment on it. But I've been watching Welling for 30 years and have never been tempted away by any other club, I'm assuming you can say the same 



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I am not a troll. I am merely someone that thinks general results and performances for too long have been poor and the management team should go. That isn't trolling, or towing a party line, or bias, or anything else. It is an opinion. Considered negative by some. It also considered accurate by more. As proven by league table, goals scored, recent results and a constant debate by dozens of wings fans on here.

As mentioned by one welling fan today. Give me one positive for keeping Faz? A negative "we can't afford anyone else" doesn't count. One positive as to why he is the man to stick with.

Courtjester fits better than troll.

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Ok. I look forward to your and dansonsmiths assessment of the game.


I was at work today and so will not comment on it. But I've been watching Welling for 30 years and have never been tempted away by any other club, I'm assuming you can say the same 


 Indeed. Not missed a home game in 12 years as written two weeks ago. I regular since I was able to walk. As mentioned above, known to many as a fan of 30 years too. 



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I am not a troll. I am merely someone that thinks general results and performances for too long have been poor and the management team should go. That isn't trolling, or towing a party line, or bias, or anything else. It is an opinion. Considered negative by some. It also considered accurate by more. As proven by league table, goals scored, recent results and a constant debate by dozens of wings fans on here.

As mentioned by one welling fan today. Give me one positive for keeping Faz? A negative "we can't afford anyone else" doesn't count. One positive as to why he is the man to stick with.

Courtjester fits better than troll.


I note you didn't reply. My main point is that people on this forum, not only you, are quick to call fans troll, then guess what, this forum ceases to represent WUFC fans and becomes pretty much a closed shop where dissidents are called a "f***ing moron"



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I didn't reply to what? If you refer to being tempted away, no. Never.

I will question people I don't know who post religiously. There are people on here who post 10+ times a week suggesting a love of the club, sometimes at strange times of day, yet no one knows who they are and they rarely go to games. Whether those posts are negative or otherwise, surely someone caring that much would be known to someone or would attend the odd game?

I am not quick to call "people" trolls. I have called one person so. I'm happy to be corrected. Dansonsmiths is welcome to PM me and let me know his thoughts on today's game, or accept my offer of a beer pre-Grimsby this Saturday.



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Andrew Nicholson aka Courtjester wrote:
Mr A Realist wrote:

I am not a troll. I am merely someone that thinks general results and performances for too long have been poor and the management team should go. That isn't trolling, or towing a party line, or bias, or anything else. It is an opinion. Considered negative by some. It also considered accurate by more. As proven by league table, goals scored, recent results and a constant debate by dozens of wings fans on here.

As mentioned by one welling fan today. Give me one positive for keeping Faz? A negative "we can't afford anyone else" doesn't count. One positive as to why he is the man to stick with.

Courtjester fits better than troll.


I note you didn't reply. My main point is that people on this forum, not only you, are quick to call fans troll, then guess what, this forum ceases to represent WUFC fans and becomes pretty much a closed shop where dissidents are called a "f***ing moron"


If I think someone is a troll I will call than a troll.

If I think our performances and/or results are poor I will say so. 

Troll? Negativ? Accurate? Correct? Wrong? 

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So lets just recap.....Wings Til I Die disagrees with you and you call him a f***** moron and I do the same and now I'm being accused of being a troll.......bit of a trend here isn't there......

You should ask your Form Admin pal about my credentials on here......been a member on here for a few years...You ??......don't post a lot but generally post positive and don't abuse anyone..You ?? Never had my account deleted.....You ? Got a valid email address on here.....You??

I think we all know who the troll is.........

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Mr A realist has been a regular on here for many years and is a Welling supporter i've known for a long time. His account was deleted by himself not by me.

Please can you take your disagreements to PM and keep the thread on topic.

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