WTID - why should we need a huge amount of money to be as competitive as Guiseley?

Where did I say it was viable? I just said what was needed. I think we're ****ed & going down & beyond repair.

In my opinion the management team should have gone after Carlisle.
We could have had the chance to do it after the Maccesfield game or the Dover defeat. However today is the final straw.

Keep the current team and we are going down. Change it now and we may still go down but at least we've given it a go and done something.

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We aren't in a financial position to make changes largely because of the mistakes of the management team with a tight budget.

Good players are available cheaply via loans. Also, stars like Corne and Williams are on less money than KSA, Tash and Kabba. Work that out.

We've signed no one. We've moved no one out. The management have accepted no blame or responsibility, ever.

As for tribunals. How does that work mid season for contracted players? Idiot.

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 And how would you know who gets paid what?

As other's have mentioned previously, apparently some of the squad aren't on contract. They can pretty much get snapped up for nothing although I believe we can pursue compensation if the player is below a certain age.

I don't know why the club don't allocate you and the other Victor Meldrews your own little corner in the ground so you can grumble away and "support" the club in your own way.

Given that since you registered on here a month ago you've only posted negatively, I have to wonder why you even follow the club if it makes you that miserable. That is unless your motive is to drag the club down and shoo away genuine supporters as increasingly seems to be the case.

WTID, why do you assume that because you don't know something, nobody else does? Mr A Realist's statement is correct.

Most of the squad are on contract - including those who are sadly the main culprits when it comes to lack of ability or effort. Snapped up for nothing? Who'd want them?!? Compensation is for players under the age of 24, so note that down and consider yourself educated on something at least.

I notice you've predicted a 2-1 win for Welling in Fantasy Wings every week as far back as I can be bothered to look. Either you have very high expectations and think we're punching well below our weight, or more likely, it's the same ethos you apply to your delusional backing of the management trio on a weekly basis - change nothing and keep hoping for a different outcome.

It hasn't happened, it isn't going to happen. You can't keep excusing them because they've spent all of their budget and won't stop their back-slapping, high fiving culture that the problem players are taking advantage of. Tashan comes in and picks up his wage at each game - Barry Ashby would have had him running laps of the pitch at every training session, fine him for being a minute late, make him travel to long away games and not play him etc. Basically just making his life very uncomfortable until he left of his own accord.

Faz is a very nice guy as has been said many a time on here, but we're going to be relegated. I await an announcement from the board this evening.

Shuttle wrote:

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WTID - why should we need a huge amount of money to be as competitive as Guiseley?

Where did I say it was viable? I just said what was needed. I think we're ****ed & going down & beyond repair.

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 I didn't say huge. We just may not have enough.

Like everyone else I've been scratching my head as to wondering why there has been no change, and lack of funds is the only explaination I can think of.

It's no secret that we probably have the lowest budget in the league (lower than Guiseley), along with the lowest attendance apart from Borehamwood. The two go hand in hand. Our finances aren't helped by falling attendances.

We could blame falling attendances on a number of things. Ticket prices, competition from other local clubs, performances etc. One thing that doesn't help is the clique of grumpy old gits who seem to have the attitude of Tubbs and Edward from League Of Gentlemen in that "It's a local club for local people, there's nothing for you here!"

I've seen new faces try and start chants on terraces only to be snapped at by the old guard with comments like "is this your first game?!" when all they're doing is trying to give support to the lads. Even at the Borehamwood game when we were promoted there was the usual group of miserable sods behind the goal moaning, and slagging off every supporter (including myself, not realising I was standing next to them) who wasn't part of their group of "real supporters." And people wonder why we struggle to attract new support when you're not even allowed to chant. The top comment from the few mates I can convince to come to games is that "there's no atmosphere" and that there's more moaning than actual cheering and support.

I was talking to a former season ticket holder at work the other day and it was for this reason he stopped going this season. Sadly at this rate I'll be throwing in the towel myself. Poor performances from the team I can deal with but the increasing negativity and abuse from so-called fellow "supporters" on and off the terraces I can't.

If the attendances keep falling and the club eventually ends up in the same situation as 2010, it won't just be the fault of the board and players.

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Always diluting your wafer thin argument with speculation about finance and going off on a tangent...

Do the managers deserve to keep their job? No

It really is that simple.

The team worked really hard in the first half and put a few good moves together that perhaps against another team might have come off. The killer was the half-time and My son and I expected that Grimsby would be at us the second half. We have to credit Grimsby for excellent professionalism and having a great striker whose positioning awareness and goal scoring were sublime. Our safety looks distant now and if a successor to the 3 is not found soon we will have no future in this league. Surely we cant go on like this any more. The worry is is that Halifax won away at Macclesfield and Cheltenham drew with Boreham Wood, if others continue to get something we will get nothing. We need 3 players and a new manager would have the time to get them, if we act now. If its left then sorry but we are dead. This all should have happened after Carlisle or before. The cards were marked when we contracted all players and didnt sign a few wise heads and a goalscorer.
Sorry Faz do the decent thing and stand down.

WTID. As part of what you consider the "old guard" what you are saying is nonsense. If anyone behind the goal tries to start a chant we join in. I've never heard any Welling supporter snap at someone for trying to start a chant!

Any reasonable supporter would expect that their next Wings TV interview is their resignation. why we could not have signed a proven goalscorer at this level is beyond me? Torquay away will be a difficult game but even more so with a failed management team still in charge. They signed the players, they pick the team, they choose the tactics work on them in training and ultimately are responsible for the poor results and in any normal world would go or resign. If we still have them in charge for the next game we should be very concerned about the board and their decision making.

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I'm looking forward to wingnut Monday morning post.

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 Thanks for that valued input

With the way we are playing we are losing fans turning up through the gates. This means less money. If we want to start gaining fans (and money) we need to perform better on the pitxh. The only way we can do this is by bringing in a new management team.

I'm past calling for the managers to go despite their obvious cluelessness. I'm now calling for the owners to sell up and go. They lack the money as well as the energy needed to run a club at this level or even Conf South.

 

HOBBINS OUT!

 

Well what is the club that has been built? It's not a club with a successful team, it's not a club with big local support, it's now not a club with a popular manager. 

As everyone keeps saying, something has to change or we are going down, we may still go down of course but let's do it with some fight and spirit, not just wander aimlessly into the lower leagues.

Where on earth did we get that side from that turned up in the second half? A bit of flourish for a while, concede a goal and heads drop - utter capitulation. But why? We were still playing good football yet could not score even when presented with an open goal. As a fellow supporter remarked, even when faced with a big deficit against Truro, our championship-winning side rallied and won the game at the last knock.  This side concedes and finds it difficult to rally.  That has everything to do with motivation, because they are not bad players and gave their all.  It has been screaming at us for months, we need a striker. Silence. Last straw, camel with a spinal problem.

The way we are going we will struggle next year in the Conf South too. Step down Loui and admit your out of your depth.

In hindsight the club should never have given the job to Loui and Co. This league needs a manger with experience. Not some chaps learning on the job. We really needed a manager with a broader pool of contacts. I feel very sorry for the Legend Loui but it's time to go. Frosty and Ashby to try and work a miracle for me though I fear the damage has been done. 

Back to the title of the thread.....

First and foremost credit to Grimsby who were far too good for us. Big and strong no nonsense defending, very fluid in midfield and two lads up front who worked hard all game, linked together well and weren't afraid to get shots off as many times as they could. I don't expect to be able to compete with them financially on and off the pitch over a long season. We are always going to struggle with a team like that even if we were in good form and confident but sadly we are neither of those things at the moment. 

Our keeper made some good saves but question marks over both the headers second half. We can't expect him to keep us in every game as he has been trying to do of late. Worryingly the defence is starting to creak but that may be down to changes on the left hand side of the back four?? I felt for the two lads in central midfield as the gap between front and back was huge throughout the game and they were asked to cover a lot of ground and inevitably tired in the second half. Not sure why we went like for like with 4-4-2 having played much better at Dover with Kabba on his own up front. I thought Wellard had been one of our better players of late but he was back to his infuriating best on Saturday - a one trick pony (and not a great trick at that) which any side watching Welling could work out after five minutes. The less said about his set pieces the better. Harris, aside from one great cross in the first half, seems totally devoid of confidence and keeps cutting inside and passing the buck?? Kabba couldn't even score when the keeper dropped the ball on his foot three yards from goal and the Porter "must be good because he tries hard and runs a lot" bandwagon needs stopping. I don't wish to deride his commitment throughout the season but we should get that from every player - the fact that we don't (especially from his fellow "strikers") makes his efforts, in my opinion, look that much better. One goal and a couple of assists in 20 odd league games is not good enough. And it is high time the poor body language and "toys out of the pram" stuff was nipped in the bud as well - this is Conference National, not the school playground.

So I make that 3 points out of the last 27 in the league (or one point for each manager if you prefer) The clown they replaced didn't have a much worse record than that did he...?? The Non League Paper quoted one of our esteemed trio as saying that the "lads heads dropped after the first goal...." Hardly a surprise is it - I can tell him that the vast majority of home supporters heads dropped at the same time as we knew, like the players, that there was very little chance of us getting anything from the game there and then. A shame nobody told Grimsby that they could have declared at 1-0 and the second, third and fourth were irrelevant as far as to where the points would be heading.

To sum the game up nicely I offer you a comparison between the respective number tens of Grimsby and Welling United. The former ran his socks off all game for his team, was never afraid to try something and ended up with the match ball. In fact Mr Amond has now scored more league goals at PVR in one half of football than Messrs Wellard, Harris and Porter have managed between them so far this season...

When I have think of the number tens we have had at or club (Bartley, Robbins and in latter years Pugh and Lafayette amongst others) it almost makes me weep to see the current incumbent in that shirt. His "warm up" on Saturday was the stuff of legend. If he had stood still for any longer then I half expected Barrie to come and ask him for 15 quid. His actions (or lack of them) were bordering on insulting and showed a total lack of respect to the club, management, his teamamtes and us, the supporters. I trust one or more of the three amigos saw it and fined him accordingly. As far as I am concerned he SHOULD NEVER EVER SET FOOT ON A FOOTBALL PITCH IN A WELLING SHIRT AGAIN.

As I have said over the last two weekends time for a change. It might be too little too late but it might not. No change and the game is up already.

Wingnut wrote:

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Back to the title of the thread.....

First and foremost credit to Grimsby who were far too good for us. Big and strong no nonsense defending, very fluid in midfield and two lads up front who worked hard all game, linked together well and weren't afraid to get shots off as many times as they could. I don't expect to be able to compete with them financially on and off the pitch over a long season. We are always going to struggle with a team like that even if we were in good form and confident but sadly we are neither of those things at the moment. 

Our keeper made some good saves but question marks over both the headers second half. We can't expect him to keep us in every game as he has been trying to do of late. Worryingly the defence is starting to creak but that may be down to changes on the left hand side of the back four?? I felt for the two lads in central midfield as the gap between front and back was huge throughout the game and they were asked to cover a lot of ground and inevitably tired in the second half. Not sure why we went like for like with 4-4-2 having played much better at Dover with Kabba on his own up front. I thought Wellard had been one of our better players of late but he was back to his infuriating best on Saturday - a one trick pony (and not a great trick at that) which any side watching Welling could work out after five minutes. The less said about his set pieces the better. Harris, aside from one great cross in the first half, seems totally devoid of confidence and keeps cutting inside and passing the buck?? Kabba couldn't even score when the keeper dropped the ball on his foot three yards from goal and the Porter "must be good because he tries hard and runs a lot" bandwagon needs stopping. I don't wish to deride his commitment throughout the season but we should get that from every player - the fact that we don't (especially from his fellow "strikers") makes his efforts, in my opinion, look that much better. One goal and a couple of assists in 20 odd league games is not good enough. And it is high time the poor body language and "toys out of the pram" stuff was nipped in the bud as well - this is Conference National, not the school playground.

So I make that 3 points out of the last 27 in the league (or one point for each manager if you prefer) The clown they replaced didn't have a much worse record than that did he...?? The Non League Paper quoted one of our esteemed trio as saying that the "lads heads dropped after the first goal...." Hardly a surprise is it - I can tell him that the vast majority of home supporters heads dropped at the same time as we knew, like the players, that there was very little chance of us getting anything from the game there and then. A shame nobody told Grimsby that they could have declared at 1-0 and the second, third and fourth were irrelevant as far as to where the points would be heading.

To sum the game up nicely I offer you a comparison between the respective number tens of Grimsby and Welling United. The former ran his socks off all game for his team, was never afraid to try something and ended up with the match ball. In fact Mr Amond has now scored more league goals at PVR in one half of football than Messrs Wellard, Harris and Porter have managed between them so far this season...

When I have think of the number tens we have had at or club (Bartley, Robbins and in latter years Pugh and Lafayette amongst others) it almost makes me weep to see the current incumbent in that shirt. His "warm up" on Saturday was the stuff of legend. If he had stood still for any longer then I half expected Barrie to come and ask him for 15 quid. His actions (or lack of them) were bordering on insulting and showed a total lack of respect to the club, management, his teamamtes and us, the supporters. I trust one or more of the three amigos saw it and fined him accordingly. As far as I am concerned he SHOULD NEVER EVER SET FOOT ON A FOOTBALL PITCH IN A WELLING SHIRT AGAIN.

As I have said over the last two weekends time for a change. It might be too little too late but it might not. No change and the game is up already.

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 A fantastically well written post that Wingnut. Not an ounce of that post is incorrect. Especially the part about the fans dropping there heads! Your heart sinks every time we go a goal behind at the moment as you just know the quality is not there to get a goal back.