If that is true Dean, and I have no reason to doubt you, then its nothing short of a disgrace.

This club is being horrendously mis-managed, and is isn't even the losing, because any long standing Welling fan is used to their fair share of defeats, it is the manner, the defiance, the lack of honesty, the positives and denying there are/and addressing the negatives, the lack of action, and the poor quality of the football being dished out.

I had enough along time ago, and there are two season ticket holders of 20 years on Facebook and here saying the same, amongst dozens of others in general on the forum and twitter.

The only reason they won't have the balls to resign is the realisation the powers that be are reluctant to sack them. That in itself is another farce on top of the on field one.

Goodness knows what the new faces think.

And if thats true re: Recce Harris, you can f**k off right now Reece.

As for Matt and Paul from the "management team", if I see you or any of your appointed brown-nosers laughing after a Welling defeat, you think the abuse is bad now, you wait.

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Ben Jefford...all credit to you fella. Coming over to the fans and understanding why we are frustrated with the situation. My vote for player of the year so far 

Reece Harris, as soon as the final whistle finishes, coming over and having a go at the fans saying there's no point of you coming if you're going to have a go at the management team! We were not slagging you off personally... i have respect you for you but the management team have ****ed up on every level. If you are reading this, i would like to buy you a drink next week and explain the views of the supporters who spend thousands each season to follow the team all over. I personally put £500 a year into the playing budget on top of watching this team, so I have a right to talk about a complete shambles.

 

Matt Mcentegart. Coming to shake my hand and then saying thank you for the kind words...when i mentioned that it was obvious to anyone since the Sutton game that we won't score goals, him and Paul Barnes started laughing! Goodbye.

 

I've taken the postives that we didn't lose by 10 goals against a team 2nd bottom of the league below. Enough is enough, THEY HAVE TO GO. These clowns could sign Messi and would play him at left back. Drawing 1-1 and we take off Porter who has been the best player on the pitch and brings on Bakare who probably should have started. Any chance of going out for a win and taking off a midfielder?

If that is not it after today then it's very obvious as to where this club is going. 

 

 

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 Will be interesting to see if that is their "educated football man" moment.

When do any management do the right thing n hold there hands up n resign... Never

that would mean accepting that you are messing up....

sack the manager now as this should of happened after Carlisle and fact we still have no striker says it all

Didn't Parker resign?

Just listened to the 2nd part of Faz's interview with the Havant guy.. when pointed out that the supporters were critcial he said "We have games in hand, it's not as bad as it seems!" 2 games in hand but losing to a team the league below us who are 2nd bottom and the FACT that we struggle to score goals? Stevie Wonder could see our problems.

10 of us went to Sutton in pre season and said that although we wont concede many, we will not score goals. If we as supporters can see that issue, why can't 3 paid individuals see the problems that we have? Why has nothing been done to rectify this? Why was KSA and Tashan being gambles put on contract?

Goals win games and we cannot score goals. Enough said.

Please do the decent thing and resign. Total disgrace.

Well....all been said but to be fair it was so terrible that it was entertaining

I have seen many terrible games during the Parker years....Smith years....Brown errr days but this was really really bad!

Clueless ****e!

But hey as Faz says...things are not too bad...REALLY....god know what it will be like when we get really bad

JUST GO!

It's ok we'll win our 2 games in hand and be well clear in a few weeks, just need to keep positive and train hard.......

I thought we were on a run, a loosing one!

The saddest thing about all this for me is faz is destroying his own legacy, I think deep down all anyone wants is a bit of honesty that they have messed it up. I also think that although they all have to take responsibility it's MM who is the main culprit, I thought the guy was a **** the first time I heard him speak.

I think I know a manager who would like an opportunity to get back into managing at this level as opposed to being FGR's assistant manager. Surely worth a try. I'd love to see his kids on the pitch at HT and his Wife behind the dugout again. Please god make my dream come true!

 

 

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The forum is a place to discuss performances etc n your views were valid

I think the time has come. There are some positives in terms of fitness, but selection and recruitment seem to be the main issue. You can't blame the management team for remaining positive but their line manager needs to take action.

To me Reece seems to be a really nice guy, I think you can understand his frustrations as the players just want to succeed, however in the cold light of day I'm sure he regrets taking his frustrations out like that.

I wont be boycotting home matches as I will support Welling whatever happens, that's not to say I'm pleased with the situation.

Dean you have no reason to apologise. You are a very loyal fan and it takes a lot for you to not back the management. However, like many on here, we all believe the management are out of their depth. There is no reason for us to doubt their hard work but unfortunately they are just not up to it. What is not acceptable is MM And PB being disrespectful to you and by the sounds of it fellow fans. To me this is a Jody Brown moment and they have stepped over the line. Neither of them have the background or experience to be ****y and they should feel grateful for being employed by Welling United as we all know this is now the pinnacle of their career. Please call Ashby and Frost ASAP to try and rescue this mess.

This is not the first time to do with this club where a valid message has been overshadowed by the manner in which it was conveyed. This is unfortunately what happens when the regular use of 'industrial language' is more often a first resort rather than the last in the comments that issue forth during the game. That said, from what I was able to hear of the exchanges after the final whistle, civil tongues were kept on all sides despite obvious disagreement.

I am not surprised Reece supported those who select him and is probably not happy at the negative vibe emanating from the terraces. I would expect nothing less if he was going to say anything. However, the only complaint as a player you could make yesterday was that there was little support towards the players because of the amount of time spent trying to convey the point to the management team, not that derogation was aimed at them.

I had thought about making the point that, in the end, by their nature, the players and management are transitory, save a few who build a bond and keep coming back and that, as supporters, it is our club, because by and large, we aren't transitory. Except in reality that is no more our club under the Hobbins than if Roman Abramovich owned it, you just have differing ways of trying to influence proceedings.

So what have we to go on. We have a management team who seem convinced that we either don't have problems or that they will all disappear magically in the games in hand or when the players finally do what they are instructed to. If it is the latter I'd suggest the fastest mutually beneficial way of Reece reducing the negativity from the terraces is to get the rest of the players together and make those instructions work in a visible way. If they can't then you can only be left with one of two conclusions, the instructions are crap or the players are not good enough to carry them out. Again, if it is the latter, why are you asking some people to jobs they are manifestly not capable of doing?

To get to the crux of Reece's point, what are we there to support?

Is it the institution of Welling United which is essentially the Hobbins' artifice which we have hitched a ride on for however many years you have been going and, for its past faults, you have largely had more fun following than aggro? In these troubled times I couldn't tell you as I haven't seen an utterance (although I may not have looked in the right place) as to what their views on our current state are?

Is it a management team who do not seem to have the humility to recognise their and their team's failings and seem to have less idea or inclination to remedy them? It is very difficult to support people who you feel are deluded and/or in denial when faults are obvious.

Or are you supporting the group of players? In the past there have been teams of ours that have appeared to have the spirit of a pub team in a good way. Not sure I see that now. It isn't certain players fault that they are still with us but on some of the past 'performances' they have put in I'd have to have had a serious session in the pub beforehand to be positive on their behalf. There are others who I do feel I can support but who have been given a mystifyingly raw deal by the management and I can understand why they might not feel it in them to die for the cause. There are also a few others who unstintingly deserve support for their application to what is undoubtedly a frustrating and potentially career ruining cause and, by and large Reece, you have fallen into that category and yesterday does not change my opinion on that.

In conclusion though, the 'if you don't want to support, don't come at all' observation could not really come at a worse time. I am not the only one working my way through the questions above to understand my reasons for continuing to spend my money on something that is currently as unfulfilling as it is. We were never going to tear this League up but the way things are being done there is frankly no hope of creating a unified atmosphere where we all fight the world, as we have in the past, so we don't even have that to cling to to try and believe in an improvement. And if you once stop going, you or your relatives find something else for you to do with your time so it can be doubly difficult to come back with the same dedication.

'If you don't want to support, don't come at all' - be careful what you ask for, you might just get it and for longer than you imagined....

 

PS. Ben Jefford, come the end of this season I hope you wind up somewhere that allows you to progress your career how you want it to go. I was not an initial convert but despite arguably being on the wrong end of last year's managerial merry go round and being given a largely thankless task in the current set up you continue to bust your balls every game for what seems like meagre reward. Respect young man.

Looking at the fixtures coming up, it is still in our hands, we play Barrow, Halifax, Altrincham in the next few weeks all teams that around us at the moment, if we could get 7-9 points from these games we may have some light at the end of the tunnel.

If we can't beat a team languishing near the bottom of the league below what hope do we have? It's not like that was a blip, I expected it! We will be lucky to get more than a handful of points for the rest of the season. As the management are still here despite atrocious form I'm wondering whether they'll still remain even if we are relegated.

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If we can't beat a team languishing near the bottom of the league below what hope do we have? It's not like that was a blip, I expected it! We will be lucky to get more than a handful of points for the rest of the season. As the management are still here despite atrocious form I'm wondering whether they'll still remain even if we are relegated.

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 For the record, and not as an excuse: FGR lost at Havant, Altrincham lost at Bognor (two leagues below) and Dover and Braintree both lost at home to Stourbridge. It happens, although as you say, in our case many people expected it.

OMERTA elb wrote:

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The Trooper wrote:

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If we can't beat a team languishing near the bottom of the league below what hope do we have? It's not like that was a blip, I expected it! We will be lucky to get more than a handful of points for the rest of the season. As the management are still here despite atrocious form I'm wondering whether they'll still remain even if we are relegated.

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 For the record, and not as an excuse: FGR lost at Havant, Altrincham lost at Bognor (two leagues below) and Dover and Braintree both lost at home to Stourbridge. It happens, although as you say, in our case many people expected it.

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Except that FGR put out mostly a second team, Altrincham went to extra time three days before and Dover played the last 22 minutes with ten men. We went in fully rested and with supposedly our best team bar Corne for 90 minutes. We matched Braintree whose manager has had the good grace to come out and say they were abject bolllocks and he won't tolerate another performance like that. Compare and contrast.