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Now on the official website, with more details found on Kent online here.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/sport/goldberg-welling-takeover-94655/

 

 



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A huge thank you to Frosty, Ash and JT for all their hard work since coming back to the club. Although the club have been relegated, there have been an upturn in performances for the most part, especially at Tranmere. Best of luck to all 3 in the future.

Welcome then to Mr Goldberg and we look forward to exciting new times at Welling United.

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Yes a big thank you to Frost & Co, they were up against it from day one but had a good try and can leave with their heads held high.



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Thanks and good luck to messers Frost, Ashby and Turner.

Lets hope the future for this club is bright under the new manager (and maybe owner) Mark Goldburg.

Now let's put the past behind us and pull together for OUR club starting this Saturday at Altrincham. The players have work to do if they want to prove to the new boss that they are worthy of a new deal.

I can't wait for next season now and those trips to Oxford, Poole, Bath etc

COYW!



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Thank you to Messrs Frost, Ashby and Turner for your efforts. Hope you have not had major detriment to your lives outside this club by this action as you have done your best in the straitened circumstances in which we have found ourselves for which you shouldn't suffer.

Seems Mr Goldberg likes a challenge. Hopefully for all concerned the outcome is more Bromleyesque than the Crippled Parrot.



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Thanks to FAT for all their efforts. Welcome MG, like the idea of possible new ownership too, let's hope this is the start of a successful new era. Come on you Wings!!

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Many thanks to team FAT n good luck for the future



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I wonder what Bromley fans thought of Goldberg, did he leave there under a cloud.

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cj wrote:

I wonder what Bromley fans thought of Goldberg, did he leave there under a cloud.

He won the Conf South then had a slight dodgy spell of one win in ten but that seemed harsh. The chairman at the time said Bromley's investors expected more. I would imagine Bromley fans are grateful to him ?



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To be honest...I'm a little Gobsmacked by this news. Redevelopment of PVR and the cricket ground. How's that going to work? The council and E&B have a say in that I should imagine. Have there been talks or consultations with those two? This for me is more than a little weird. 



-- Edited by Riverstown on Friday 22nd of April 2016 05:44:46 AM

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Sounds great to me!

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MarkX wrote:

Sounds great to me!

 I agree! It does sound great. I just don't see It all happening anytime soon or in the mid future. I await to be proved wrong.



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Say goodbye to football on grass!



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Well.,,my view is that we cannot be any worse...,so anything is better!

First part is getting ready for next year ON the pitch

Then let it take its course....we have wanted a takeover for a while....well I guess here it is!



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I for one am very optimistic about this, after a long time we have finally have an owner that actually has the funds to improve the club on and off the pitch. It's not ideal he is both manager and owner but he got Bromley up the leagues and that can't be argued with!

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My guess is that there will be a different manager next year

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Whatever the opinion on the manager or the playing style. I think all fans need to look at the bigger picture.

The ground is in urgent need of repair. My concern is the park end terrace which in the not too distant future will need replacing. If the Kentonline article is correct and redevelopment of the ground is on the agenda then this can only be a good thing and make the club more sustainable in the future.



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Not sure how much money he has after the Palace debacle but probably still more than the current ownership. More encouraging is that he went through the 'Let's see how much money I can blow on a football club' phase and has then had subsequent success at a similar sized club to us, presumably whilst not being so profligate, if indeed at all.

Hopefully he has the nous and experience now to grow us sustainably. Under his ownership I think we would at least find if that is possible or if the status quo is indeed as good as is gets because that is all that is possible.



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Very weird, wasn't expecting anything like this. Redeveloping the stadium would cost millions, the club doesn't own the ground and its footprint makes access for major works very difficult and expensive.
Don't ever see Welling getting anywhere near the 2000 + home attendances you need to sustain a title challenging squad in National League, let alone get 1000 to sustain a title bid at National South level.
A real shame to see Frost, Ashby and Turner go, feel the club has now had its soul ripped out over the past year and will be hard to recover.
I personally do not like benefactor funded clubs at this level, as have been around long enough to see what happens when things go wrong.
Wonder who will fund the ground redevelopment, how will it ever generate a return unless there is a property element involved? Don't see the cricket club moving out as there aren't exactly alternative venues nearby.
Am not convinced and unsure about the viability of this project.

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Interesting times ahead!

Thanks to TEAMFAT who did their best despite being dealt a pretty bad hand three months ago and with little time to correct things. They shuffled the pack and did get the odd good result/performance but the damage was really done by then.

Our club needs dragging into the 21st century (or maybe even the 20th century?!) and we need investment on and off the pitch to compete even at National South level these days. PVR has been crumbling for a while now and we need to improve the infrastructure and facilities on offer. I have always been a bit sceptical of takeovers but Goldberg is a local man, has experience of football at this level and I imagine he is quite well connected in football circles?? I am sure he was instrumental in the vast improvements at Bromley both on and off the pitch in the last few seasons.

Onwards (and hopefully upwards) for the Wings!



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There is more information on the proposed redevelopment of PVR on the Charlton Life forum.

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Broken Wing wrote:

There is more information on the proposed redevelopment of PVR on the Charlton Life forum.

 http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/72805/welling-united

 

 



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With all the plans done you would think Mr G has had some sort of advice on what can and cant be done with a bit of negotiating with the council.

Any take over you would find good and bad things but at least hes a football man who you would think would want to improve on the pitch as well as off it.

People (Bexleyheath Sports club and a few Welling fans who are involved there) have seen the plans and that includes a 6000 all seater stadium more or less on the current site.

As long as we benefit and everyone (Sports club and the Council) get improvements or money to facilitate it, then it could be a good deal all round.

You cannot poo poo Goldberg's success at Bromley, they were a Ryman club on average gates and he brought improvement on and off the pitch.

I think this will all take a while and cannot see much changing next season and its probably only come off as weve been relegated as we needed a 1000 seats to play in the National League, we can get away with 500 in the South while one side of the ground is flattened.


IMO if we launched a £99 season ticket (like Sutton or Eastleigh) next season our crowds could improve hugely, i cant see the 20 grand or so it could cost MR G ruining him and it may just be the hook for the Charlton fans and any bandwaggoners to jump ship and for us to get an instant improved fan base. Short term a silly season ticket offer could earn us money for future seasons and increase crowds as Eastleigh went from hundreds to 1000s overnight.



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exciting times ahead it seems

and the one thing that would get people through the door would be a shiny new stadium so that is a massive plus

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moses mcneil wrote:

Don't see the cricket club moving out as there aren't exactly alternative venues nearby.

 They voted in favour of Mr Goldberg's proposals and on a cricket fixtures website they state they have found a new (albeit not ideal) ground to fulfill their fixtures.



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Not wanting to count the chickens before they hatch, but this does seem to be good news. Although the takeover is dependant on Bexley Council approving the development plans.

I appreciate the Mark Goldbergs significant investment into the ground redevelopment but really we should be focusing on increasing the support base and in conjunction with that making the ticket pricing more affordable and attractive to neutral and floating supporters.

What's the point in building a new ground if we struggle to fill just 10% of it based on the recent attendances.

I agree with the last paragraph of TheGhostOfJodyBrowns post. Although the club have made progress with initiatives such as kids go free, something "like" £99 season tickets would definitely help boost attendances. Even with an excellent Commercial Director like Paul White, we're still going to struggle getting commercial revenue unless the attendances go up.

On another note, the players that thought they were gauranteed a place in next season's squad have probably just had a massive kick up the backside. Some will be playing for their careers in the last two games. If they don't perform, Mark will be telling them to do one.

Interesting times ahead.

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The redevelopment plans have been around for quite a while and do need the pitch to be moved away from the Road By about 10m. The problem then is at the other end where land from the park is needed, and the removal of all those big / mature trees. I can just see the objectors lining up at the thought of trees being felled.

but you have to plan big and be prepared to compromise, so it could be interesting times ahead. Might mean E&B and ourselves playing elsewhere in the 2017 / 2018 season, but the scheme could be self funding with the leisure, retail and residential elements.

But I think we should acknowledge the efforts of the outgoing owners over many years, they didn't win many friends on here, we're justly criticised recently, but they have kept our club going for decades, I for one record my thanks and wish them well.



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Goldberg will know who has been putting it in and who just turns up for two games to try and earn a deal next season. I wonder if Vidal and Tashan will get a run out?




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TheGhostOfJodyBrown wrote:

Goldberg will know who has been putting it in and who just turns up for two games to try and earn a deal next season. I wonder if Vidal and Tashan will get a run out?


 That's the only time you will see "Tashan" and "run" in the same sentence.

 



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I am not a fan of Goldberg's.


He is a man with many a bright idea and dream but the propensity not to check with his wallet first.

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So a bloke expresses an interest in buying the club and we let him have a go as manager? What if he decides not to go ahead with it? I can't imagine Team FAT will be interested after this.

How do you buy a CIC? Genuine question - there might be nothing in it. But I note that members of the sports club are considered far more worthy than shareholders and supporters of WUFC in that they've been consulted on the development plans etc. That tells you where we figure in the scheme of things. Would we have got any sort of announcement had it not been for Rick Everitt's tweet?

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Best response so far from Russ.
 
Were any shareholders consulted before any agreement has been made? Why do Welling need a 6000 all seater stadium? 1500 seats with terracing for another 4000 will be enough. I have read that AFC Fylde spent £18 million on their new ground, do not know the size or spec of that stadium.
I can't see a London based project being cheap in the current market and is not a straight forward project to carry out. You'll need a huge contractor to carry out such works with all the attached risks and I do know what I am talking about as I have worked as a Quantity Surveyor for over 25 years.
Am not convinced and have seen it all before at other clubs when all sorts of stuff was going to happen and then things went pear shaped.
 

 



-- Edited by moses mcneil on Friday 22nd of April 2016 06:28:46 PM



-- Edited by moses mcneil on Friday 22nd of April 2016 06:33:17 PM

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I know a lot of people have unanswered questions. But I really don't understand the mentality of some people.

We have been saying for ages that we need ground improvements, fresh ideas, and a business man involved in the club.

We now have one, and I know very little about Mr Goldberg or his plans for the club but he is proposing to improve what we have been asking for. Whether there are stumbling blocks or it all comes off then who knows, but if you are waiting for the perfect person to bring the club forward, then you may find that he doesn't exist.



-- Edited by Polo on Friday 22nd of April 2016 06:34:21 PM

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Stumbling blokes Polo? 



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Being a shareholder at Welling is not like holding shares anywhere else. Anyone really think shareholders (or wusa, fans, season ticket holders, etc) held any sway on any decision?

I'm not being harsh on the Hobbins but this is, might be was, their club. Not saying it's right.

 



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Its got to be good news. Any takeover of the club would need a redevelopment of the ground. He has proved he has business contacts and we would build our fan base with a lower ticket price, shiny stadium and proper marketing. Lots of small teams have made this happen but it just needs someone to take a risk. We are more established than Bromley or other small teams so with the right players we could bounce back first time of asking. He certainly did well with Bromley as a manager and I think his sacking was harsh. Good luck to Mr Goldberg and I welcome him to the club and he could be the investor that could kick this team up the leagues. I think Bexley Council will recognise that investment in the borough is more important than the potential loss of Welling if we tumble further. Strong football clubs can put areas on the map and this could also attract other investors and business to the borough which would improve employment opportunities. It should be supported.

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It is not a case of why do we need a 6000 stadium!

It is a case of our new owner (when it is confirmed)...wanting to do that

Need to change the mentality time!

We either stay as we are OR we have a chance to be so much better....I know which one I want

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Will he be manger too? Would rather he concentrated on one or the other

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When Forest Green moved they didn't need a new stadium holding thousands, Crawley didn't either, with the new stadium comes new fans, new sponsors and hopefully the club can grow into the stadium if its built.

Forest Green, Crawley and many others you could name were all bog standard run of the mill non league teams before investment came.

There is no doubt that MR G is into this for the development profits, we will have to wait to hear from him to see how highly the football club figures in it all. Also what the chain of events is and is the club at risk if the development doesn't fully materialise.

I think if we had to move out while development takes place and no stadium work is seen to be happening, many fans will **** a brick and think are we the new Hayes or the next club to be shafted by developers.

We wont know any of this until the man himself speaks. nobody can form any accurate opinions, this could be unbelievably fantastic or could be a complete **** up for us.

Any investment and development has risks, you would like to think that MR G's involvement in football gives us a chance of being the next on the up club with good facilities.

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Any news of any back room staff, or is he doing it on his own till the end of season.

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