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Why would MG even mention the development if it was all bollocks? A few of us have seen plans and there have been meetings etc people have attended at the cricket club etc.

True,  Chairman, Owner, Manager.......property developer? The plans are real, yes, they exist, there are sketches.....beyond that....... "wishful thinking" said one poster above. 

Freedom of Information request might reveal what's what.............see what's on the hook of that fishing rod that's been dangled about.

 I reckon Wingman1963 is an ex-fan who has a personal issue with MG or possibly a Dartford fan on the wind up!

Neither.

I ignored your first broadside further up the page, but as you are making repeated ad hominem attacks, I'll ask nicely that you do not make this personal.

This is a serious question being asked here: Why are Wings fans being promised there would be no overspend, yet each year the club overspends, scrabbles to pay players (at times), suppliers and staff, then is promised a new ground!!!

One MG said would not happen, and has, the other repeatedly dangled on the line....won't happen.

 

Wake up!

 

 



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I would have a big issue if MG was overspending and putting more debt onto the club. The fact that he is paying the overspend I have no real issue with.

You do seem to have a very big issue with either the club or MG himself. To join and then start posting all negative stuff, some of which I know is factually incorrect, seems very strange.

Have you been a "supporter" for long?

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Not a supporter Polo is my guess

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Polo wrote:

I would have a big issue if MG was overspending and putting more debt onto the club. The fact that he is paying the overspend I have no real issue with.

You do seem to have a very big issue with either the club or MG himself. To join and then start posting all negative stuff, some of which I know is factually incorrect, seems very strange.

Have you been a "supporter" for long?

The club overspends - if it didn't overspend it would not need to pay players late, let staff go, juggle finances and live hand to mouth. Tell me that is incorrect? In good faith, you know that's a fair assesement. Second, are you familiar with "Director's loans" - i didn't mention this before, but seen as you say you know facts, let's talk about that in relation to "he is paying the overspend". With MG (or any director for that matter) putting their own money into the club, they are able to recall that "debt" when they wish, and in most club's that means: when they get a plum FA game. So to the poster above who asked about FA Cup.... would be good, but rest assured there are internal debts to be paid. Ask the accountant. Or any accountant.

No issue with MG - none - but as the owner, chairman, manager there are questions that a fan would want answered around the promises not to overspend, the flimsy "wishful thinking" around the ground - you are a smart guy, read some of your posts, but seriously, you on the hook ?

I've been a fan longer than MG has been owner, does that mean i have a greater or lesser say? That would seem to be the intimation in your question? Can you elaborate on why it would be different if it'd been one season or 50 years? New fans might be able to know their place?

You write: "some of which I know is factually incorrect"

Go for it. Set us straight. What is correct and what is not (please substantiate if you can, because this is the issue, things are thrown around: like "ground redvelopment" etc without back up).

It's negative to fool oneself, and listen to the same "take you fishing in the morning" nonsense. It hasn't happened. Cos It won't happen. 



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Not a supporter Polo is my guess

 This is a forum.

Debate the issues rather than attack the person. 



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Fair play Wingman.
Don't see anything wrong with what you are asking.
It is appparent you have more knowledge than me on the subject.
What I would ask though, is if you had this much concern, could this not have been asked at the last supporters meeting?
Alternately, gear yourself up for the next one.
Just a thought.

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Hoof it wrote:

Fair play Wingman.
Don't see anything wrong with what you are asking.
It is appparent you have more knowledge than me on the subject.
What I would ask though, is if you had this much concern, could this not have been asked at the last supporters meeting?
Alternately, gear yourself up for the next one.
Just a thought.

Thank you. I'm sorry this escalated rather than has become a fair discussion.

At the supporters' meeting,  like many I didn't go, because, how shall I put this.......i felt it would be a waste of time with the same old "this time next year Rodney" promises.

Anyway just asking hard, but legitimate questions.  

 



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God youre very angry about something. Yes the new ground development is probably a little pie in the sky stuff. Yes we over spent last season. That has been addressed this season. What exactly are you looking or hoping for. You are never going to get the full total true picture from MG or anyone. Why! Because they dont know themselves...Yet. Until you see the builders move in dont worry yourself. Take a chill pill. This is Welling Utd FFS

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God youre very angry about something. Yes the new ground development is probably a little pie in the sky stuff. Yes we over spent last season. That has been addressed this season. What exactly are you looking or hoping for. You are never going to get the full total true picture from MG or anyone. Why! Because they dont know themselves...Yet. Until you see the builders move in dont worry yourself. Take a chill pill. This is Welling Utd FFS

 Again, please don't make it personal.

There are some serious points raised about the "antics" of MG over three seasons,  and the main one is, as you say that all that's been peddled is "pie in the sky" and that yes "we over spent". That's all. That much of what has been promised is .......what was that someone called it: "wishful thinking" and people are hook, line...

What I was looking for was that someone would discuss the merry-dance......and hoodwinkery.

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Saturday 20th of July 2019 10:05:02 PM

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Im trying not to be personal. Just trying to bring you down to what most long standing long suffering Welling Utd supporters know. Take every new dawn with a fecking large pinch of salt. It really does help. Like I say. Calm down. It really isnt worth it. Its all pie in the sky

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Its all pie in the sky 

 

 

That's what I've been saying: The proverbial drunk man WON'T take you fishing. The owner has spun a yarn. So pleased not to be the only one who sees this.

Thanks Rivertown 



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Wingman1963 wrote:
Riverstown wrote:

God youre very angry about something. Yes the new ground development is probably a little pie in the sky stuff. Yes we over spent last season. That has been addressed this season. What exactly are you looking or hoping for. You are never going to get the full total true picture from MG or anyone. Why! Because they dont know themselves...Yet. Until you see the builders move in dont worry yourself. Take a chill pill. This is Welling Utd FFS

 Again, please don't make it personal.

There are some serious points raised about the "antics" of MG over three seasons,  and the main one is, as you say that all that's been peddled is "pie in the sky" and that yes "we over spent". That's all. That much of what has been promised is .......what was that someone called it: "wishful thinking" and people are hook, line...

What I was looking for was that someone would discuss the merry-dance......and hoodwinkery.

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Saturday 20th of July 2019 10:05:02 PM

 So plans for redevelopment may not be all they seem and our financial situation may be very far from perfect and that's meant to be a surprise to us is it? 



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Courtjester wrote:
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God youre very angry about something. Yes the new ground development is probably a little pie in the sky stuff. Yes we over spent last season. That has been addressed this season. What exactly are you looking or hoping for. You are never going to get the full total true picture from MG or anyone. Why! Because they dont know themselves...Yet. Until you see the builders move in dont worry yourself. Take a chill pill. This is Welling Utd FFS

 Again, please don't make it personal.

There are some serious points raised about the "antics" of MG over three seasons,  and the main one is, as you say that all that's been peddled is "pie in the sky" and that yes "we over spent". That's all. That much of what has been promised is .......what was that someone called it: "wishful thinking" and people are hook, line...

What I was looking for was that someone would discuss the merry-dance......and hoodwinkery.

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Saturday 20th of July 2019 10:05:02 PM

 So plans for redevelopment may not be all they seem and our financial situation may be very far from perfect and that's meant to be a surprise to us is it? 

 Given we were completely unaware that we were in the sh*t until the taxman's winding up petition landed on the people who founded the club, those of us of long standing probably have a somewhat cynical and slightly jaundiced view of all events thereafter, regardless of owner.

As a supporter, the best you can ask of any owner is that at the end of their tenure the club is left sustainable. If they make money through improvement or lose their own money along the way so be it. Being a George Reynolds and leaving an unsustainable stadium or a Jim Thompson are equally as bad (although you could argue Thompson did a service to Kent football if being parochial!).

In the end you have to ask yourself if you are just supporting the name or an ethos that is represented by that name. I'd hope it is the latter, which means, in extremis, you do an AFC Wimbledon



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stafford wrote:
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Wingman1963 wrote:
Riverstown wrote:

God youre very angry about something. Yes the new ground development is probably a little pie in the sky stuff. Yes we over spent last season. That has been addressed this season. What exactly are you looking or hoping for. You are never going to get the full total true picture from MG or anyone. Why! Because they dont know themselves...Yet. Until you see the builders move in dont worry yourself. Take a chill pill. This is Welling Utd FFS

 Again, please don't make it personal.

There are some serious points raised about the "antics" of MG over three seasons,  and the main one is, as you say that all that's been peddled is "pie in the sky" and that yes "we over spent". That's all. That much of what has been promised is .......what was that someone called it: "wishful thinking" and people are hook, line...

What I was looking for was that someone would discuss the merry-dance......and hoodwinkery.

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Saturday 20th of July 2019 10:05:02 PM

 So plans for redevelopment may not be all they seem and our financial situation may be very far from perfect and that's meant to be a surprise to us is it? 

 Given we were completely unaware that we were in the sh*t until the taxman's winding up petition landed on the people who founded the club, those of us of long standing probably have a somewhat cynical and slightly jaundiced view of all events thereafter, regardless of owner.

As a supporter, the best you can ask of any owner is that at the end of their tenure the club is left sustainable. If they make money through improvement or lose their own money along the way so be it. Being a George Reynolds and leaving an unsustainable stadium or a Jim Thompson are equally as bad (although you could argue Thompson did a service to Kent football if being parochial!).

In the end you have to ask yourself if you are just supporting the name or an ethos that is represented by that name. I'd hope it is the latter, which means, in extremis, you do an AFC Wimbledon

 Apparently making it entirely non-personal killed that conversation stone dead!



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stafford wrote:
stafford wrote:
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Wingman1963 wrote:
Riverstown wrote:

God youre very angry about something. Yes the new ground development is probably a little pie in the sky stuff. Yes we over spent last season. That has been addressed this season. What exactly are you looking or hoping for. You are never going to get the full total true picture from MG or anyone. Why! Because they dont know themselves...Yet. Until you see the builders move in dont worry yourself. Take a chill pill. This is Welling Utd FFS

 Again, please don't make it personal.

There are some serious points raised about the "antics" of MG over three seasons,  and the main one is, as you say that all that's been peddled is "pie in the sky" and that yes "we over spent". That's all. That much of what has been promised is .......what was that someone called it: "wishful thinking" and people are hook, line...

What I was looking for was that someone would discuss the merry-dance......and hoodwinkery.

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Saturday 20th of July 2019 10:05:02 PM

 So plans for redevelopment may not be all they seem and our financial situation may be very far from perfect and that's meant to be a surprise to us is it? 

 Given we were completely unaware that we were in the sh*t until the taxman's winding up petition landed on the people who founded the club, those of us of long standing probably have a somewhat cynical and slightly jaundiced view of all events thereafter, regardless of owner.

As a supporter, the best you can ask of any owner is that at the end of their tenure the club is left sustainable. If they make money through improvement or lose their own money along the way so be it. Being a George Reynolds and leaving an unsustainable stadium or a Jim Thompson are equally as bad (although you could argue Thompson did a service to Kent football if being parochial!).

In the end you have to ask yourself if you are just supporting the name or an ethos that is represented by that name. I'd hope it is the latter, which means, in extremis, you do an AFC Wimbledon

 Apparently making it entirely non-personal killed that conversation stone dead!

 

It's easier to throw accusations around, and call people names online than wake up to  inconsistencies, and on-going yarn that has been peddled by MG.

When other clubs have a chairman as manager, or fail to live within their means our fans are not shy in laughing at them, so why is it OK for us? 

The past three years have been a farce....... there is no new ground, there is not redevelopment, our best manager in years was released half-way through his contract, the club doesn't have a budget, it swings from week to week, there are no commercial partners of note. Or wait

 

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Thursday 25th of July 2019 05:20:58 PM

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"it's easier to throw accusations around, and call people names online"  says the person who came on this thread and remarked about MG as 'a double glazing salesperson'

MG has never promised a new ground, never promised promotion, in fact never promised anything as far as I'm aware. He has said about ground plans to make the club self-sustainable and I really can't see anything wrong that. 

 



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GaryH wrote:

"it's easier to throw accusations around, and call people names online"  says the person who came on this thread and remarked about MG as 'a double glazing salesperson'

MG has never promised a new ground, never promised promotion, in fact never promised anything as far as I'm aware. He has said about ground plans to make the club self-sustainable and I really can't see anything wrong that. 

 

 

How many times has it been dangled? Loads. How many contradictory commitments hvae been made at MTM nights, a fair few - it's like the proverbial double glazing salesman. Because judging by your reactions, it does sound like you have been sold.

You can continue to be mugged by MG. I'm just saying: there's no new ground, he's skint, the club is living hand to mouth and we're currently being managed by the owner.

 



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Say double glazing salesman again or drunk man going fishing, i miss that.



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Say double glazing salesman again or drunk man going fishing, i miss that.

 Or how about...a drunk double glazing salesman...its different 



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Say double glazing salesman again or drunk man going fishing, i miss that.

 

 

Stoddy / Nigel wake up. You are a grown men, on an internet forum ignoring facts, trying to crack jokes about the mismanagment of the club. Good luck to you.

So as I said: You can continue to be mugged by MG. I'm just saying: there's no new ground, he's skint, the club is living hand to mouth and we're currently being managed by the owner.

Let's see how this season pans out ....my concerns are noted.



 



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Say double glazing salesman again or drunk man going fishing, i miss that.

 

 

Stoddy / Nigel wake up. You are a grown men, on an internet forum ignoring facts, trying to crack jokes about the mismanagment of the club. Good luck to you.

So as I said: You can continue to be mugged by MG. I'm just saying: there's no new ground, he's skint, the club is living hand to mouth and we're currently being managed by the owner.

Let's see how this season pans out ....my concerns are noted.




When you say 'mugged' what do you mean? 

-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Friday 26th of July 2019 02:14:54 AM

 



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wingman1963 or whatever your latest name is  (great name for a troll) If you had any brains you would realise that if MG doesnt want a Jamie Day or Steve King In charge then he is the only man for the job.

I just wish he wouldnt listen to some of the advisors on players as we will see a bit of a revolving door the way things are going. Magnus has gone and that frees up a place for a pacey centre half and we will be in a better position, no disrespect to Magnus he is a top bloke. We arent far off. Hopefully Wilks stays as hes a shot stopper who will help us earn some points.

At the end of the day MG will be trying his nuts off to win us games. I do see some changes In squad and coaches but Id rather MG fronting up as hes not hiding that hes the head honcho.

Cup run and play offs and some commercial success and its a good season, the commercial bloke is still here yes?

Pre season has not been earth shattering considering we have a decent squad but you are getting free lessons and information in pre season that if acted upon should set you in good stead for the season.



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Just Winging It wrote:
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Say double glazing salesman again or drunk man going fishing, i miss that.

 

 

Stoddy / Nigel wake up. You are a grown men, on an internet forum ignoring facts, trying to crack jokes about the mismanagment of the club. Good luck to you.

So as I said: You can continue to be mugged by MG. I'm just saying: there's no new ground, he's skint, the club is living hand to mouth and we're currently being managed by the owner.

Let's see how this season pans out ....my concerns are noted.




When you say 'mugged' what do you mean? 

-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Friday 26th of July 2019 02:14:54 AM

 

 Just trying to make it a bit light hearted...



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------- There is no commercial guy? Eh?! What about that guy Chris Roots?

Pre season has not been earth shattering considering we have a decent squad but you are getting free lessons and information in pre season that if acted upon should set you in good stead for the season.

 

 



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Chris Roots is Managing Director not Commercial Manager, this position is held by Josh Waddel as anyone who can be bothered to read the list of officers etc on the official site would see.



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Chris Roots is Managing Director not Commercial Manager, this position is held by Josh Waddel as anyone who can be bothered to read the list of officers etc on the official site would see.

 

Doesn't look like it, cos if it's the same guy that was the Charlton , Commercial Manager from 2007 til 2014  

Good CV behind him 

  

  



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Pretty sure we've only sold Coombes once. Not 76 times ....



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You quite clearly have some axe to grind, as the vast majority of yoir posts have been slagging off the club or MG or both.

I've worked out who you are. Meet me Monday at the game to prove me wrong?

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Pretty sure we've only sold Coombes once. Not 76 times ....

You got a sense of humour?

 

concern for the club is not slagging the club off. 

why not be concerned that the ground nonsense was/is nonsense ?



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You quite clearly have some axe to grind, as the vast majority of yoir posts have been slagging off the club or MG or both.

I've worked out who you are. Meet me Monday at the game to prove me wrong?

 Is it not tom having a argument with himself? 



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 Hopefully Wilks stays as hes a shot stopper who will help us earn some points.



-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Friday 26th of July 2019 11:32:46 PM

 Why wouldnt he? I assume that he is on contract, or has at least been offered a contract so a fee or compensation would have to be paid.



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Pretty sure we've only sold Coombes once. Not 76 times ....

You got a sense of humour?

 

concern for the club is not slagging the club off. 

why not be concerned that the ground nonsense was/is nonsense ?



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Saturday 27th of July 2019 11:40:17 PM

 Care to elaborate on what you mean by nonsense..??



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Would be very good of you to explain what you mean Wingman....

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Would be very good of you to explain what you mean Wingman....

 

You represent the club at the league AGM and are close to the hierarchy..... go for it, tell us what is incorrect in this thread....... 

  

 

 



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Would be very good of you to explain what you mean Wingman....

 

You represent the club at the league AGM and are close to the hierarchy..... go for it, tell us what is incorrect in this thread....... 

  Yes I did go to the AGM, althoughI wouldn't say I'm close to the club hierarchy. The odd conversation with MG after a game doesn't really make me that close!

I will await another poster to correct you an a number of things very shortly.

 



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Would be very good of you to explain what you mean Wingman....

 

You represent the club at the league AGM and are close to the hierarchy..... go for it, tell us what is incorrect in this thread....... 

  

 

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Wednesday 31st of July 2019 08:47:56 PM

 You haven't answered the question pal....namely the talk about a new ground being, in your own words, nonsense... 

I happen to know for a fact (that's fact not supposition) that it's not nonsense at all and a very detailed viability study has been prepared and presented to the council (at some cosiderable cost) as MG alluded to in his meeting with the supporters earlier this year.



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Wingman1963 wrote:
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Would be very good of you to explain what you mean Wingman....

 

You represent the club at the league AGM and are close to the hierarchy..... go for it, tell us what is incorrect in this thread....... 

  

 

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Wednesday 31st of July 2019 08:47:56 PM

 You haven't answered the question pal....namely the talk about a new ground being, in your own words, nonsense... 

I happen to know for a fact (that's fact not supposition) that it's not nonsense at all and a very detailed viability study has been prepared and presented to the council (at some cosiderable cost) as MG alluded to in his meeting with the supporters earlier this year.

 

Look forward to seeing it published.  ............with the council's response.

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Wednesday 31st of July 2019 11:05:40 PM

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Wingman1963 wrote:
Wingnut wrote:
Wingman1963 wrote:
Polo wrote:

Would be very good of you to explain what you mean Wingman....

 

You represent the club at the league AGM and are close to the hierarchy..... go for it, tell us what is incorrect in this thread....... 

  

 

 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Wednesday 31st of July 2019 08:47:56 PM

 You haven't answered the question pal....namely the talk about a new ground being, in your own words, nonsense... 

I happen to know for a fact (that's fact not supposition) that it's not nonsense at all and a very detailed viability study has been prepared and presented to the council (at some cosiderable cost) as MG alluded to in his meeting with the supporters earlier this year.

 

Look forward to seeing it published.  ............with the council's response.

 

 

If what you're saying is true then I know 2 people who will be very disappointed having purchased rather expensive fishing licences! 

Oh and by the way since when did Local Authority start publishing feasibility studies and responding publicly. 
 



-- Edited by Wingman1963 on Wednesday 31st of July 2019 11:05:40 PM

 



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