I can honestly say that I didn't think we deserved to lose 4-1. Perhaps I'm looking through rose tinted specs. We had chances to equalise at 2-1. Can anyone say Fartford were that much better than us over both games. Talk of getting rid of Coyle is way off the mark too. I'm really bloody confused as to what's going on with this team. Only training once a week can't be helping. I dunno I really dunno.
I am struggling to understand why Alfie Johnson doesn't get a game.
Dartford did look no better than us for periods of both recent games.
What makes the difference? Perhaps a team that contains a consistent set of players?
When we had a decent run, we managed to keep a lot of consistency in the playing team.
Now, it is a weekly jumble as to who plays where.
Bradbrook (in my opinion) is not a good centre forward.
When he rounded the keeper today, he should have had one thing in mind.
That was not cutting the ball back.
Good target man and header of the ball, yes. Out and out forward, no.
We have a player on loan from D&R to play alongside him.
He will be gone next month.
Get a team, work with that team, and get them to gel.
Does the D&R forward bring us anything that Goldberg doesn't?
This constant change is not working.
Was thinking of a couple of away games this month. Strongly doubt that will now be happening.
Dartford were poor today. We just made them look like Barca. No heart in the second half performance.
Game changed on two pieces of goalkeeping. Dartfords goal to go 1-0 up (woeful keeping) and 1st minute of second half where we were so close to equalising. Difference in the teams and their confidences were reflected by them two pieces of play.
Heartless performance again. Getting done constantly down the left and no one seemed to pick up the second ball. Attackers i feel were the only ones who had decent games. Parkinson looked lost
Talk of getting rid of the management is crazy. After the last few years mid table wouldn't be that bad. Then give them the time to tweak the squad in the summer. Dartford have kept the sane nucleus of players for many years now, if we can do the same then we can grow year by year. As much as i want us to go up the club simply isn't ready for it. I can't see what changing the management would achieve.
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Talk of getting rid of the management is crazy. After the last few years mid table wouldn't be that bad. Then give them the time to tweak the squad in the summer. Dartford have kept the sane nucleus of players for many years now, if we can do the same then we can grow year by year. As much as i want us to go up the club simply isn't ready for it. I can't see what changing the management would achieve.
Before I post I just wanna say you know I never come on here and disrespect, gloat or try and cause offence. An honest opinion from an opposing fan.
I thought your players were hyped up. They warmed up in front of me and the focus was very much full on, some players really hyped. I actually thought thats a good thing. This is a local derby and is good to see the players (and coaches) fired up.
Tactically I thought you were set up quite well, I do think overall we have better players and this saw us through.
I take the point you had chances but if we both took all our chances we would of scored many, many more.
Other fans get fooled because were not a fee flowing side but thats what we do. We set up to play the channels and get second balls etc. Ryan Hayes is obviously an exception to that as hes quality on the ball and dangerous.
Our back 4 are also well organised and battle hard so our team is perhaps better than other fans realise when they see us. I know its not pretty most of the time but I just want to win.
I actually think with a few better players recruited with your set up ( I thought in first half you knocked it round well) you will be up there.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
Talk of getting rid of the management is crazy. After the last few years mid table wouldn't be that bad. Then give them the time to tweak the squad in the summer. Dartford have kept the sane nucleus of players for many years now, if we can do the same then we can grow year by year. As much as i want us to go up the club simply isn't ready for it. I can't see what changing the management would achieve.
Agreed. I thought the playing budget had been cut quite substantially from last season, unless I am mistaken? And what was Jamie Coyle's brief for this season, was it to avoid relegation? It is time to back Jamie Coyle, but results must pick up soon otherwise we could well be drawn into a relegation struggle. I don't think the chopping and changing of goalkeepers has helped our cause and, with hindsight, letting Alfie Pavey go to our rivals was a big mistake. But Jamie will learn and improve, if he is given the chance, and our fortunes long-term will improve accordingly.
Defence is horrendous. In our last 7 league games we have conceaded 4,3,4,2,3,2,3. Avereging 3 a game. Clearly a huge problem here. All our defenders are experienced proven players at this level, so why are they letting in so many goals? I think the issues are as a defensive unit rather than individuals. I doubt if Devonshire or Stringer had these players at this level they would be conceading that amount.
Dartford are top cos they have Mills, Pugh & Pavey. With 3 strikers of that quailty they're always going to have the fire power to win games that are close. They also defended gritterly and properly when they had to dig deep to do so. We don't have enough about is to to come through peroids of.pressure without conceading. We also concead out if nothing a lot. And our forwards aren't good enougn to score when it matters. Not ruthless enough.That's 4 out of 4 one on ones and an open goal I have seen Bradbrook miss this season.
He reminds me of Emile Heskey.
Too many average and poor forward players. And not up to it defensively.
The squad are under performing and the manager has to always take responsibility for that.
We have Eastbourne in 5 days, who lost 4-1 at gome to Whitehawk today. It's a must win l.
Before I post I just wanna say you know I never come on here and disrespect, gloat or try and cause offence. An honest opinion from an opposing fan. I thought your players were hyped up. They warmed up in front of me and the focus was very much full on, some players really hyped. I actually thought thats a good thing. This is a local derby and is good to see the players (and coaches) fired up. Tactically I thought you were set up quite well, I do think overall we have better players and this saw us through. I take the point you had chances but if we both took all our chances we would of scored many, many more. Other fans get fooled because were not a fee flowing side but thats what we do. We set up to play the channels and get second balls etc. Ryan Hayes is obviously an exception to that as hes quality on the ball and dangerous. Our back 4 are also well organised and battle hard so our team is perhaps better than other fans realise when they see us. I know its not pretty most of the time but I just want to win. I actually think with a few better players recruited with your set up ( I thought in first half you knocked it round well) you will be up there. Good luck for the rest of the season.
You're dead right. Solid no nonsense players and tactics from your lads will always come out on top in this league. You done it in the season when you won the play off final against us. And we did the same when we won the league. Keep it simple. Keep a tight consistent team. This is not the Premier league. Solid organised hard working teams win this league. Don't try to be Pep.
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Talk of getting rid of the management is crazy. After the last few years mid table wouldn't be that bad. Then give them the time to tweak the squad in the summer. Dartford have kept the sane nucleus of players for many years now, if we can do the same then we can grow year by year. As much as i want us to go up the club simply isn't ready for it. I can't see what changing the management would achieve.
Agreed. I thought the playing budget had been cut quite substantially from last season, unless I am mistaken? And what was Jamie Coyle's brief for this season, was it to avoid relegation?
I believed that to be true at the start of the season but I cant believe that now with all the new signings coming in despite our instant elimination from the cups.
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Defence is horrendous. In our last 7 league games we have conceaded 4,3,4,2,3,2,3. Avereging 3 a game. Clearly a huge problem here. All our defenders are experienced proven players at this level, so why are they letting in so many goals? I think the issues are as a defensive unit rather than individuals. I doubt if Devonshire or Stringer had these players at this level they would be conceading that amount.
Dartford are top cos they have Mills, Pugh & Pavey. With 3 strikers of that quailty they're always going to have the fire power to win games that are close. They also defended gritterly and properly when they had to dig deep to do so. We don't have enough about is to to come through peroids of.pressure without conceading. We also concead out if nothing a lot. And our forwards aren't good enougn to score when it matters. Not ruthless enough.That's 4 out of 4 one on ones and an open goal I have seen Bradbrook miss this season.
He reminds me of Emile Heskey.
Too many average and poor forward players. And not up to it defensively.
The squad are under performing and the manager has to always take responsibility for that.
We have Eastbourne in 5 days, who lost 4-1 at gome to Whitehawk today. It's a must win l.
Coyle effectively chose Bradbrook over Pavey and that must give Coyle and Co nightmares. It has been a momentual f up Bradbrook for all that he tries is not a patch on Pavey. What we would do for his 18 goals and where we would be now!
For 70 minutes today we didn't do too bad, but the last twenty was a disgrace.
Out of all of this though the biggest disappointment for me was we headed into Dec in the top 4 or 5. Roll on a month and we start January in 12 8 EIGHT points from the play offs. We have been found out big time. Thats not acceptable however you try to gloss it up and no doubt the management will try and roll out the usual B. S
As for Coyle out no not for me as has been said we need stability. But I don't believe Phil and Grant are the right men to support him.
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Not fluent first, last from third, ridden after three out, soon weakened.
Between the the 45th and 70 minute i thought we played really Well, just no end product plus their keeper with a great save from Healy.
Can't be bothered to quote everyone on here, most of it is correct but I see someone say what does romain offer that Goldberg doesn't....well the answer to that is a hell of a lot!!! Work rate, strength, pace, height, the list goes on. He was our best player by a mile.
We could of easily, had something out of today's game and then naivety and concentration has cost us.
Whoever threw the water bottle to monakana when it was there free kick is a absolute bloody idiot!!! That resulted in the number 2 having the freedom of pikeys park to get a ball In, resulting in pressure being on us and the 3rd goal and then the writing on the wall.
How Monakana wasnt subbed anyway before nanetti I don't know, and even harder to work out who made the decision.
I'd like to know what marking system we use. Certainly not one that works.
Hopefully a new keeper next week...if we can't beat Eastbourne we are stuffed.
Defensively poor. How easy was it for Dartford to cut in from their right? ? Lots of ball watching not picking runners.
Football can change on turning points and that save from Ibrahim from Healey was top draw and was right when we had pressure and on top. Arguably a game changer as they scored soon after.
new forward dont cut it for me.
Game was crying out for someone to get on the ball, Jebb? Substitutions to late.
Let's be honest. Who would of chosen Pavey over Bradbrooke Pre season. Neither were great but Bradbrooke was better. Unfortunately we've had our arses smacked.
Let's be honest. Who would of chosen Pavey over Bradbrooke Pre season. Neither were great but Bradbrooke was better. Unfortunately we've had our arses smacked.
I'm not sure I get the issue with bradbrook today, on a whole yes of course I want paveys goals but bradbrook caused them a lot of problems and unfortunately he ain't got a lot of help in the final third, both wingers again not performing. Nanetti put one ball in the box at a good height and low and behold we scored, monakana I dont think put a cross in all game!
When they do get the ball all they do is cut in at tight angles and take away any space out strikers have trying walk it In!
It's not rocket science, ball out wide, put cross in towards big mans head.
I am still trying to fathom how we managed to lose that game 4-1 yesterday?!?!
Let's start at the back or, more specifically, the goalkeeper. This club has had problems with keepers on and of for the last few seasons other than, somewhat ironically, last season when Lewington was often the only real positive of the whole season. Since then we have chopped and changed and chopped and changed and it has affected both the poor bloke between the sticks and the statues in front of him. Some people are saying the first goal was deflected but it look like it went straight through him to me and the fourth one was a joke. At the other end the keeper has pulled off a fantastic save to deny Healy at 1-2 and it ma have been a different game if that goes in. I don't think it is an exaggeration to say that if the keepers had been swapped around yesterday then we might even have got a point from that game.
However the back four has a lot to answer for as well. Individually they are four decent footballers but collectively they appear to be an accident waiting to happen. As has been mentioned the goals against column over the last few weeks does not make for good reading to say the least! I feel a little bit for the full backs as they little or no protection in front of them but Jefford had a mare yesterday. He only got close to the winger once, made a stupid challenge and got booked, and then wouldn't or couldn't go near him again after that. We all know how Hayes likes to play for them and, although it pains me to say it, he has been a more than decent player at this level for a number of years. But he always plays the same way - cuts inside on his left foot for either a cross or a shot and if that doesn't work he leaves a space for the full back to overlap outside him - that's how the first and second goals were scored yesterday and the first one on Boxing Day. What is perhaps the most alarming feature is that nobody on our management "team" on or off the pitch did anything about it either during the first half, or indeed at half time, as the same thing kept happening in the second half as well?!?!
Again I do have some sympathy for the two central midfield players as they are basically manning the barricades on their own at times and then expected to get forward and support the attack as well. The two wide players were awful yesterday save one decent cross for the goal. Neither of them have ever been great defensively anyway but they left the full backs so isolated at times it was embarrassing. I can't quite understand why we continually play 4-4-2 (either home or away) which is essentially 4-2-4 with the two present incumbents - again how on earth can we keep repeating the same obvious mistakes week after week after week. We can get away with one out and out winger but certainly not two and, again you have to question the management "team" for not addressing this issue. Their right back had a field day yesterday and yet we did nothing to stop him. We have to tweak the system a bit - we had three central midfield players on the bench ffs so it's not like we couldn't have tried a 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 but no we blindly persist with 4-4-2 and wonder why we get overrun in wide areas week after week. We continue to lose the first goal (and therefore have to chase the game) and that leaves us more and more exposed.
There is no desire from me for any managerial change at all - what this club needs is stability and to support the current manager. Lest we forget we started with a blank canvas this season and with only player in the starting XI yesterday who was involved last season (not that getting rid of that entire shower was the wrong decision) Contrast that to yesterday's opposition who, apart from an on loan striker had 10 of their starting XI who have been regulars at the club for more than a season and know the strengths and weaknesses of their team mates and have a clearly defined system and pattern of play which is very effective. We have a reasonable core of players at the club this season which hopefully we can carry forward and maybe tweak in a few places this season and then adjust a little more at the end of the season. That's what worked with Jamie Day over a period of two or three seasons and hopefully it can work again.
Now we need to get back to basics, play a bit more ugly if necessary and starting picking up some wins again!
problem is with the reply to a comment. When you click on Reply is sticks it at the bottom of the comments not below the comment you reply to.
the person in question is Jeffrey Monakana, one of the laziest players Ive ever seen in a Welling Shirt, Ive been saying it all season, hes getting worse with each game he pkays
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