The real problem here is the money already spent getting to where we are in the hope of a restart and who now would believe any future projected date would fare any better?

 

This seems to be the strategy we are stuck with. Fortunately I can stick with the stock car racing as that seems to have a lesser profile and is mercifully devoid of other distracting issues at present.

TheGhostOfJodyBrown wrote:

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Why?

Commercially and tech savvy clubs will know they can generate money and revenue streams via live streaming matches. True fans would pay to watch a (reliable) live stream.

If we say we aren't playing without crowds, what happens in the FA cup thats already started? Especially when clubs below and above us in the pyramid are all playing.

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 I don't believe the law on trading whilst knowingly insolvent has been relaxed and that focuses minds wonderfully. You need people to play and if other clubs won't, even if you will, the league becomes a shambles

How many of those fans may choose not to if the club bandwagon other issues it is not permitted to discuss on here. Until our trajectory on that is certain I'll stick with doing the other things that currently I have found to do on matchdays. You had better hope I'm unique in that for the above business model to be viable.

-- Edited by stafford on Tuesday 22nd of September 2020 12:19:01 PM

Its not about a business model being viable if fans want their club to survive, The model allows for them to watch (with almost zero delay if done properly) and their club gets to generate revenue. Maybe teh National league will pay clubs to get the games live streamed and let them generate income? Oh look there goes that pig behind the clouds.

Dodgy Dart wrote:

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I'm guessing that if Welling are drawn away in this weeks' FA Cup to a lower team, then that would be OK to play in front of fans, albeit 300?

-- Edited by Dodgy Dart on Tuesday 22nd of September 2020 12:30:17 PM

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 Stupid thing is if the interlopers get through tonight we could be drawn away to them with fans or home to them without fans.

Danson Mark wrote:

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I believe that the F.A. Cup game (hopefully games) will have to be played but that the league will suspend fixtures until spectators are allowed in. Whether that will change, who knows?

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 So you are paying contracted players on the basis of potentially one game. What happens with the contract if you are out and on an indefinite wait.

You would like to think that the contracts have Covid clauses in them...l.e dependent on income generated..

MarkX wrote:

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You would like to think that the contracts have Covid clauses in them...l.e dependent on income generated..

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 I'm not sure how it works but I'm pretty sure that there is something like that in the agreements.

TheGhostOfJodyBrown wrote:

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Wings1963 wrote:

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Let 100 fans in at £50 a ticket

There are those with that kind of money, and that's still less than some pay to go and watch Palace!

Livestreams are nice, but will not generate more than a couple of hundred a match IMO

The GoFundMe is a good idea. Other things like debentures or something along those lines would get money in short term, but just sells the future

Or, cut costs .....run the club within its means. Oh wait, that never was a thing under MG!

-- Edited by Wings1963 on Tuesday 22nd of September 2020 01:07:04 PM

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 Merge the two ideas? 200 fans £25 each to get in (obviously no Maidstone fans). Live stream £10 to watch aim for 200 viewers (more than achievable if a decent stream and easy platform for people to watch on) which will obviously include away fans. 7k generated for a home game.

 

Live stream cost £250 a game , budget £3250 on players plus the go fund me. You can break even and be sustainable and thats without commercial activity.

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 All entirely within your control. However the opponent being willing to play under those conditions isn't and I'd be willing to wager some won't. How many determines how much of a shambles any league is. It is that competitive element that differentiates the crowds you get for league games and pre-season friendlies and I suspect also your pay per view.

Our level also tends to make more of a connection to the players, which is another factor that tends to keep support in tough times, and that is more difficult to build remotely. It tends to get people out of their chair along with the social side when things are rough and makes watching 90 minutes of crap more bearable. How many decide just not to switch on in a similar trough?

I'd imagine the leagues in the second world war got by more on it being a shared social activity people could enjoy in times of adversity rather than the quality on the field. A lot more difficult to sell an online activity to sate that innate human need, even in these digitised times.

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I couldn't give a toss about Dartford or Weymouth , Havant or Dorking but i paid to watch the play offs as there was feck all else to watch, I would be disappointed if many fans of clubs turned down the opportunity to pay to watch their club on a live stream.

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 You have the infrastructure in place to do it, you are pretty technically savvy and prepared to look up what is stopping you from getting things working. Many aren't. There will be a percentage that are salivating at the prospect of a return, there will be others of a more casual persuasion who have found other ways to amuse themselves in the six months hiatus. Human nature is like that.

Prior to this it didn't matter what my motivation for going was or what yours was, it manifested itself in us going to watch live. For me, that was the experience. I can't recall ever watching us 'live' on the TV on the limited occasions home games have been available. That may not make me a fan but there are 700+ coincidences of me being in the same ground as Welling United. As I said previously, you'd better hope I am unique or you can monetise your disappointment.

-- Edited by stafford on Tuesday 22nd of September 2020 07:04:20 PM

Dover chairman on BBC Soouth East calling for the season to be scrapped!

Dodgy Dart wrote:

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Should Welling be looking at what Merthyr Town have done?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54237552

 

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 The statement said: "This would put the club in a position where we would inevitably be eventually trading insolvently and we could not allow that to happen."

 

Because there are legal ramifications maybe? And supporters who run a supporters  owned club are aware they haven't been removed and won't advocate for themselves what they might have done if the club was run by a private owner.

A situation you get when the legal financial arm of the state operates as usual while the legislative part is acting more onerously with no mitigation.

 

Notice that Notts County are fully in favour of starting behind closed doors

Squarevanman wrote:

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Once again when it comes to the vote both the National North and National South will be shafted. From what I have read elsewhere as in the playoff vote each National League team gets a vote each and the North gets 4 votes between its teams as does the South. So if the National decide to play behind closed doors then the regional leagues have no choice. 

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 Read the North's view on that in the link.

I suspect a fair few may say, you vote for it, you fund it!

-- Edited by stafford on Thursday 24th of September 2020 07:01:46 PM

Squarevanman wrote:

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stafford wrote:

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Squarevanman wrote:

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Once again when it comes to the vote both the National North and National South will be shafted. From what I have read elsewhere as in the playoff vote each National League team gets a vote each and the North gets 4 votes between its teams as does the South. So if the National decide to play behind closed doors then the regional leagues have no choice. 

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 Read the North's view on that in the link.

I suspect a fair few may say, you vote for it, you fund it!

-- Edited by stafford on Thursday 24th of September 2020 07:01:46 PM

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 Regret I am unable to open the hyperlink on my pad.

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 Go to any North club Twitter other than Kiddy and York and you'll find it. Gateshead and Hereford definitely do.

Eastbourne Wing wrote:

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Can E&B games still go on at PVR, but not us?

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 Not seen anything to say they have to stop so it looks like they can go ahead. 

You'd a thought that given these decisions are coming from the department of media and sport that they could introduce for "elite clubs" a TV media package that supports both the football club with revenue and freelance creative industries who's work has fallen off a cliff.

Only mentions step 5
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54352735