They are your players, we cant defend a set piece all season despite all the double sessions and loads of training. Out the FA Cup to a pub team then out the FA Trophy at home when a response was needed. I don't see an improvement any time soon.
Goldberg caretaker manager would be an improvement at least he might get the players to give a **** and he might be able to raid the back of the sofa for enough for a spine for the team and offload those that aint good enough.
Another few weeks of this and we need snookers so act now imo.
Playing Cook anywhere but where he made his name out wide and up the top end of the pitch is a waste when we cant buy a goal or enough goals. Leaving him on the bench screams you've lost the plot.
I am fairly certain and stand to be corrected that MG can take control back when he likes, Mark if you read this, Tomorrow would be a good start to bring in a manager who has some kind of clue and doesnt talk a good game, how on earth can we still be incapable of defending at Christmas? If you cannot be organised at set pieces youre in trouble.
-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Tuesday 15th of December 2020 09:56:22 PM
As ridiculous as it may sound, I cant remember him having a team this bad? Don't think we were ever out the FA Cup to a step 5 team, out the Trophy at home and level on points bottom of the league at Christmas under him? If he came back in at least he would spend a few quid on better players cos this lot ain't staying up are they?
A So Brad goes, new manager in, new team in B Goldberg takes control again or becomes caretaker manager, brings in some new players good enough for mid table mediocrity in this league. C Do nothing
Which do you choose? as the BEST chance of staying up, remembering the fact that its unlikely the budget will be boosted if a new manager comes in and MG doesn't take back control.
-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Tuesday 15th of December 2020 10:07:33 PM
Last season when Goldberg was in charge and when he was in charge before that we were awful why should we get him back again when he failed twice before
It doesn't have to be Goldberg but if Brad gets sacked tomorrow who does it'? Tonight i'd put Goldberg as caretaker and look for a manager and if Goldberg does well then wait and see. We need to act and Goldberg as caretaker allows us to possibly bring in some players and look for a manager. A stop gap, something different. Or lets carry on not score next game, lose to a set piece and all say cor this is bad ain't it till we say its not mathematically certain yet that we are relegated or lets hope theres an AGM cup.
Lets forget Brad seems an OK bloke and talks a good game, Look at results, look at the cups this season, look at the inept defending, the lack of goalscorers in the squad and the league table, keep it factual and he goes before the next game doesn't he?
Also maybe MG does need to take over again as Chairman / Owner as the guy hes left it to to call the shots and make decisions has gone quiet recently and is steering this ship into that massive iceberg everyone has seen for months since the Sheppey debacle. I know its his first time running a club at this level but you learn quickly or you sink and we are letting in water at a faster rate than we can plug the holes.
-- Edited by TheGhostOfJodyBrown on Tuesday 15th of December 2020 11:15:35 PM
Anyone who wants MG back at the helm has a very short memory. A list of overpaid had beens or never weres from Bromley and/or Dulwich Hamlet is not the way out of this mess.
It is like groundhog day at the moment - decent first half hour and then fade. Give away yet another ridiculous goal from a set piece and then have no fight or spirit to get back in the game. And then tonight we had hoof ball up to strikers who simply can't or won't hold the ball up and appear to be playing in ice skates the number of times they fall over in 90 minutes...
And on top of tnat the moaning and whining between the players tonight was nothing short of embarrasing. Chippenham and Oxford were simply organised, workmanlike and played as a unit and that is sadly more than enough to beat us at the moment.
We have used well over 30 players this season and still have no idea what our best team and/or formation is.
Its the same old situation with the same old results. Manager and management talking big about reaching the playoffs and aspirations of moving up through the leagues. But in reality we were hopeless in pre-season matches and have not improved now things matter.
To be bottom of the league at Christmas means its a relegation fight for which I think we need some tough old heads out on the pitch. Weve got some talented youngsters but they are not working as a team and are not warriors, prepared to get stuck in for Welling. Why should they when so many are on loan or just looking for match time before moving on?
As for changing managers, I believe Brad has the knowledge and expertise to do well at this level, and without a better qualified replacement change will only mean a shuffling of the squad and another give me 10 games situation, by then it will be too late.
I know its been a very disruptive few months with the virus situation and the budget is tight when compared to other teams in the league, but something is needed now. An injection of funds would help, a couple of experienced leaders out on the pitch would also help. A couple of strikers who know where the goal is and dont keep falling over would help. A goalkeeper that the defenders can have confidence in would help. Any more suggestions?
1) I suspect there has never been a season with as few games played before Christmas
2) If the precedent set last season is followed, there will be no relegation if the league below doesn't complete (and I presume ours also). Neither is a given, at this point given the Covid test failure protocol and the bigger ongoing issues.
Thats something to cling on to at least. Not great when thats one of your better outcomes if nothing changes is it?
In these times where we have so many tools to help i find it hard to see how we are so bad.
We have games filmed, we also seem to have one of those ****ty veo cameras that film the wider angle and follow the ball one of the selling factors of these is a tactical angle to help the manager and coaches, we have access to every full match video of our opponents via Opta Pro, we have a head scout and a scouting network, we trained loads in the break including double sessions yet we still cant defend a set piece to save out life. Its some achievement to be this bad consistently with all that available to the manager at this level.
The manager signed the players, brought in the coaches and the scouts the buck stops with him and ultimately the choice to stick or twist is with whoever is in charge over all be that MG or whoever he put in charge.
You cannot lose those cup games at our level to a team two leagues below - that's a shambles, not a cup upset. Unforgiveable.
Goldberg should be no where near the club. Forget that. He's a liabilty, the man leaves a trail of destruction in his wake....look at the previous forays!
Personally I don't think MG has anything to do with anything now, just a matter of time before current men running the club take over and any decision on the manager will be made by them.
Depends if MG will sell , Money must be there as theres been rumours of a sale for ages. Will he let the lease go with the club or would you buy the club without the lease?
Hopefully someone is there who can make a decision before it handicaps another manager so badly that escaping the drop is improbable.
I thought the lease was in the hands of the club, not an individual, so its the club that might, or might not, be up far sale, with the price falling no doubt after recent performances
I thought the lease was in the hands of the club, not an individual, so its the club that might, or might not, be up far sale, with the price falling no doubt after recent performances
The lease is VERY much in MG's hands. The club has no control on it.
I thought the lease was in the hands of the club, not an individual, so its the club that might, or might not, be up far sale, with the price falling no doubt after recent performances
The lease is VERY much in MG's hands. The club has no control on it.
Thanks for the clarification, I can remember when they had a little ceremony of signing the lease out on the pitch one Saturday, years ago. Those were the days, bring back that Rutherford / Ransom spirit.
Thanks Brad for your services - and I hope hes given more time as I do think we have a decent manager. When BQ came in we were desperate and I noticed a change straight away with a battling performance away to leaders Wealdstone followed by some impressive results and performances, especially Hemel away and Dulwich away where despite the awful weather I personally thought the fans and club were bonded once again, not seen since Jamie Day. We saw our pre-match change, staffing levels increase and it did turn around. Now this isnt a nostalgia trip on last season but does a manager go that bad permanently? I think not and a few more games with the recent player changes might make all the difference. The cup results I cant excuse, nor Chelmsford at home but we are only 9 leagues games in. Jody Brown got 9 games and 1 point! I think were in better hands.
Thanks Brad for your services - and I hope hes given more time as I do think we have a decent manager. When BQ came in we were desperate and I noticed a change straight away with a battling performance away to leaders Wealdstone followed by some impressive results and performances, especially Hemel away and Dulwich away where despite the awful weather I personally thought the fans and club were bonded once again, not seen since Jamie Day. We saw our pre-match change, staffing levels increase and it did turn around. Now this isnt a nostalgia trip on last season but does a manager go that bad permanently? I think not and a few more games with the recent player changes might make all the difference. The cup results I cant excuse, nor Chelmsford at home but we are only 9 leagues games in. Jody Brown got 9 games and 1 point! I think were in better hands.
That one point that Jody won kept us up!
Joking aside, I agree with Gary. Had last season finished we would have gone from being in strife to the fringe of the play-offs (probably). I have no idea on what the budget is (unlike so many others on here) nor is it any of my business but it was difficult to plan in the summer with what was going on. If the two new players settle in quickly and Kaleem Simon returns to full fitness, I am not worried. Three wins in quick succession would have us looking at the play-offs.
1) I suspect there has never been a season with as few games played before Christmas
2) If the precedent set last season is followed, there will be no relegation if the league below doesn't complete (and I presume ours also). Neither is a given, at this point given the Covid test failure protocol and the bigger ongoing issues.
Apparently there is further comment
If you look around the Isthmian there is real scepticism in some corners that the season will get completed. Bury Town have only played 4 games thus far, are not minded to be flogged on the altar of 3 games a week for the rest of the season. Horsham have basically said forget it until you can show us a structure\where the money is coming from.
If they don't complete, I don't see the point in the Southern and Northern completing as the whole promotion elegation scenarios are so seriously interlinked as to be next to impossible to resolve on a partial completion. Below them is probably an even bigger headache
Our lack of competence could quite easily be rendered totally irrelevant except in the context of how much money you wish to burn for an outcome that is decidedly uncertain.
This is like when we were in the Conference and avoiding relegation through other clubs' grounds or finances not being up to scratch! Hopefully the new signings will help us pull clear of the bottom of the table
Our lack of competence could quite easily be rendered totally irrelevant except in the context of how much money you wish to burn for an outcome that is decidedly uncertain.
Even if the season didnt finish or no relegation/promotion I would still prefer we assembled a team capable of competing this and next season, even if its a nucleus of players who can take us forward. Id rather not rebuild again next pre-season.
Our lack of competence could quite easily be rendered totally irrelevant except in the context of how much money you wish to burn for an outcome that is decidedly uncertain.
Even if the season didnt finish or no relegation/promotion I would still prefer we assembled a team capable of competing this and next season, even if its a nucleus of players who can take us forward. Id rather not rebuild again next pre-season.
Often enjoy your posts but this is niavve. The idea that players are loyal to a club and you can assemble a squad, that's not possible. The work status of footballers at our level is akin to a Deliveroo driver, gig economy ....mercenary!
Players go wherever there is a pound note waving in the wind. Our assembled squad are not even on contracts............so hardly assembled !
Our lack of competence could quite easily be rendered totally irrelevant except in the context of how much money you wish to burn for an outcome that is decidedly uncertain.
Even if the season didnt finish or no relegation/promotion I would still prefer we assembled a team capable of competing this and next season, even if its a nucleus of players who can take us forward. Id rather not rebuild again next pre-season.
Often enjoy your posts but this is niavve. The idea that players are loyal to a club and you can assemble a squad, that's not possible. The work status of footballers at our level is akin to a Deliveroo driver, gig economy ....mercenary!
Players go wherever there is a pound note waving in the wind. Our assembled squad are not even on contracts............so hardly assembled !
I agree, players mostly go where the money is and thats why we have a chance of getting several players performing and securing something for next season. I also believe BQ can get players wanting to play for him, as well as the money (not just the money). There will be a lot of players across many levels looking for clubs next summer, probably too many. It could be naive of players not looking ahead now.
You really think players are looking to next season? 8-9 months away? Wow.
We, and other clubs I talk to, have players worried about the next fortnight.
Havant have played 9 of 40 league games, like us, with at least the next ten days off.
In the pyramid below, Jersey Bulls have played FOUR league games, with all the flight issues their inclusion brings. Highly unlikely the season will end for most.
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Wanting people that care about Welling United running it, and not clowns.
Our lack of competence could quite easily be rendered totally irrelevant except in the context of how much money you wish to burn for an outcome that is decidedly uncertain.
Even if the season didnt finish or no relegation/promotion I would still prefer we assembled a team capable of competing this and next season, even if its a nucleus of players who can take us forward. Id rather not rebuild again next pre-season.
Often enjoy your posts but this is niavve. The idea that players are loyal to a club and you can assemble a squad, that's not possible. The work status of footballers at our level is akin to a Deliveroo driver, gig economy ....mercenary!
Players go wherever there is a pound note waving in the wind. Our assembled squad are not even on contracts............so hardly assembled !
I agree, players mostly go where the money is and thats why we have a chance of getting several players performing and securing something for next season. I also believe BQ can get players wanting to play for him, as well as the money (not just the money). There will be a lot of players across many levels looking for clubs next summer, probably too many. It could be naive of players not looking ahead now.
Unless its a contract then securing something for next season doesn't exist. We dont do contracts often. Pretty sure weve never done one 9 months early.
I do worry about some people on here.
-- Edited by WellingTown on Tuesday 22nd of December 2020 07:47:40 PM
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Wanting people that care about Welling United running it, and not clowns.
Our lack of competence could quite easily be rendered totally irrelevant except in the context of how much money you wish to burn for an outcome that is decidedly uncertain.
Even if the season didnt finish or no relegation/promotion I would still prefer we assembled a team capable of competing this and next season, even if its a nucleus of players who can take us forward. Id rather not rebuild again next pre-season.
Often enjoy your posts but this is niavve. The idea that players are loyal to a club and you can assemble a squad, that's not possible. The work status of footballers at our level is akin to a Deliveroo driver, gig economy ....mercenary!
Players go wherever there is a pound note waving in the wind. Our assembled squad are not even on contracts............so hardly assembled !
I agree, players mostly go where the money is and thats why we have a chance of getting several players performing and securing something for next season. I also believe BQ can get players wanting to play for him, as well as the money (not just the money). There will be a lot of players across many levels looking for clubs next summer, probably too many. It could be naive of players not looking ahead now.
Unless its a contract then securing something for next season doesn't exist. We dont do contracts often. Pretty sure weve never done one 9 months early.
I do worry about some people on here.
-- Edited by WellingTown on Tuesday 22nd of December 2020 07:47:40 PM
Contract or no contract, players will want a club next season and if that means playing well this season so you have a chance of even a minimal deal it must be beneficial for both parties. We have seen loads of players over the years who are not on contract yet are there the next season. This season Nathan Green and Brad Ryan I think signed. Even loan deals could lead to something as EFL wont retain as many as before.
