Spud wrote:

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You obviously know me then 

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 Yes Steve Hudson I do, having called you Spud since the day I met you 20 years ago. 

Once again, as Ive said to someone else privately, and above, more interested in moaning at me, than the root of the problem at your club. My club only exists because of the incompetence of people within yours. 

I assume you dont read the London Gazette, but if you do, refer back to 2014. 

Also, use the same tools you used to look in to my club to look in to your own. 

The problem isnt me. 

Wishing you well - here as a supporter, but as I dont attend every game (although you do attend a lot and dont even bloody watch them), its fine, moan at me. I bet MG is chuckling away. As am I. What a shower of **** youve become in the last 5 years. 

Polo wrote:

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HomerTwin wrote:

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Polo wrote:

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I don't think anyone has sleep walked into anything really. However no-one has answered my questions. What would you do to change things? 

I will meet you at PVR before the game on Monday, or after and I will buy you a pint and we can discuss your proposals. Nothing confrontational, I would really be interested to hear your views as all I'm hearing are lots of people saying that things must change but no-one is giving a viable proposal of that happpens? What would you do?

 

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 It would be good if more influential supporters questioned what is going on instead of turning on fans of a different opinion. Thatd be a start. 

You say nothing confrontational but happy to call me a clueless prick. Please tell me what I have said that deserves that?

I personally will not be spending my money there any more. Be it "boost the budget" last year, new merchandise, using the bar or attending games.

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 Where have I called you a clueless prick!? I have questioned plenty over the last year believe me! However you still have not answered my questions. How would you change things? Also I'm not asking you to spend any money, I'm offering to buy you a pint and talk about things. Stop hiding behind your keyboard and meet me in public. I will buy you a few drinks if that's your issue to talk about your amazing action plan of how you would save Welling United. 

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 You haven't on here but I know and you know. 

I do not have an amazing plan to save Welling. That's not my job though.

I am not trying to win some argument with you. Take the victory I don't care.

HomerTwin wrote:

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Polo wrote:

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HomerTwin wrote:

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Polo wrote:

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I don't think anyone has sleep walked into anything really. However no-one has answered my questions. What would you do to change things? 

I will meet you at PVR before the game on Monday, or after and I will buy you a pint and we can discuss your proposals. Nothing confrontational, I would really be interested to hear your views as all I'm hearing are lots of people saying that things must change but no-one is giving a viable proposal of that happpens? What would you do?

 

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 It would be good if more influential supporters questioned what is going on instead of turning on fans of a different opinion. Thatd be a start. 

You say nothing confrontational but happy to call me a clueless prick. Please tell me what I have said that deserves that?

I personally will not be spending my money there any more. Be it "boost the budget" last year, new merchandise, using the bar or attending games.

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 Where have I called you a clueless prick!? I have questioned plenty over the last year believe me! However you still have not answered my questions. How would you change things? Also I'm not asking you to spend any money, I'm offering to buy you a pint and talk about things. Stop hiding behind your keyboard and meet me in public. I will buy you a few drinks if that's your issue to talk about your amazing action plan of how you would save Welling United. 

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 You haven't on here but I know and you know. 

I do not have an amazing plan to save Welling. That's not my job though.

I am not trying to win some argument with you. Take the victory I don't care.

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 I'm genuinely not trying to take the victory as you say. I've asked you several times as well as others outside of the forum what their plan would be numerous times and I've heard nothing yet. It's not my job either as you say!  You're saying to take the victory but you've made comments, I've asked you for an answer and you can't respond. 

WellingTown wrote:

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Steve Lovell, you are better than this, and I feel sorry for you, but then you did sign up to this and like many before you, should and could have known better. The club is dying from the top, to the bottom, as is a) evident to anyone with eyes and ears, b) expected given previous actions of the esteemed leader.

Id very much prefer that individual were not staying in the game www.stayinginthegame.com/

There are one, a few or many long term supporters that might read the below and think Im being a dick. Id prefer to speak the truth even if it makes me a dick. As Id prefer to be honest than tow the line, and I care enough about the club to throw myself under the bus if needed. The majority of those people I refer to I would consider friends, and whilst we might not always agree on everything football and otherwise, were all good people, and weve all one common love, and Im not afraid to stand up for what I believe in and my club, I just wish others would too. Please.

Im told thats its all gone off after the game. As much as I hate to see this as a supporter, I also love to see it, as its whats needed to get change, and I respect people that speak their mind.

Today,

5-0 and could/should have been 7/8/9-0 against a side that arent even that great.

No radio Wings. Maybe we werent allowed, I dunno, but I dare say it wouldnt have happened anyway, its failed before. The video and highlights as well previously have been dog ****.

**** on the pitch all pre and during season so far. Losing to anyone and everyone.

**** in the dugout, with the manager Im told swearing at fans and calling out players for not being good enough whilst they were standing right behind him. The assistant only in it for a pound note or waiting for someone to get sacked.

Previously told trialists pre-season were not good enough but were keeping them on as we had no-one else. Brilliant. Really good for club rep.

I feel for Lovell. He cant be a mug, hes worked in the football league, but hes handcuffed, and now he is, hes calling out players and supporters which is not the solution. He must be furious.

Interesting to note long terms fans having a go back, but when the dust settles, what are you going to do about it? Mouthing off and getting the manager the sack isnt going to solve much if the next manager is controlled by the same people.

Christ, if we showed half as much guts and courage to change the problem, like we did to training once a week, we might get results. But I dare say people wont.

**** in the boardroom with someone that turns up when he feels like it, turns up committed to the dugout and is awful, then disappears, then comes back, then leaves again, then comes back, and when he does, has other coaches and ex-managers openly sitting next to him in the stands - hardly an accident.

**** financially with a crap budget, were told, and going begging to the supporters association one week in to the season to sign a player that doesnt even start games. Embarrassing. Why is the budget so ****?

Ground falling to pieces. Blame the Council, its easy to do, then five minutes later go to them for planning, AGAIN, and wonder why its declined (if were to believe that half-truth). Why arent the Council doing anything. Why are E&B doing more than us? Why is out stadium manager doing nothing to maintain the stadium?

Promises regarding development of the ground from 4/5/6 years ago still not actioned. Literally no progress at all. Nothing. Anyone got evidence to the contrary? At what point, 7, 8, 9, 10, 100, 1000 years does someone say, hang on

One person who comes in to the club who does anything positive, but might ruffle a few feathers, mugged off and then removed, whilst the remover enjoys the benefits of the money the removed has put in. Personally, not a huge fan of Fiore, but he gets things done. Hes got more to brag over than some others at the club. But then bizarrely we let him boast on social media on the club account about players moving onwards and upwards, and then give his staff the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon and say how its all someone elses fault.

Stadium manager on a full-time wage, even close season, when the stadium is falling apart. For some reason in the team photos, full of trialists and players the manager has said are not good enough, and today wearing a shirt and tie? Which he doesnt even do at home?

Secretary on a full-time wage and we then hire a match day secretary. Do we need both? No being the obvious answer.

Social media guy who doesnt attend away games. Or do very good social media if Im honest. And cant spell. And no social media updates when goals go in, subs made, etc.

Radio Comms that doesnt work properly. Do it right, or dont do it.

Ex-owners still owed money. Luckily they are decent enough to care more about the club than their personal pocket. To their credit, and our shame. Id react differently.

Supporters association that turns down supporter membership requests. That manages coach bookings that dont happen. Doesnt organise meetings or zoom meetings, and essentially does little more than book a quiz night once a month.

Club directors, and long-term supporters, that are happy to shout negative comments and must go, Embarrassing, Shambles from the terraces, but do nothing given their position of trust to action any of this. Have the courage of your convictions. Use your £££, and your seat on the board, to demand change. Or at least a meeting.

Club shop that is shut 99% of the week but thinks the best time to open non-matchdays is Monday AM when everyone is at work or school/college.

Catering changes every 12 months. Bar changes every five minutes. Bar more interested in overly loud Ska music or X Factor contestants/owners daughters dream than selling beer and letting people watch football.

No commercial manager, and when we did they were **** x 3 appointments. Who never once entered my High Street premises even though I am a fan of the club.

No plan (thats anything other than a dream), no strategy, no hope, no heart, no desire, no nothing. No evidence of any kind of progression from the hot air we were told 5-6 years back.

No hope. No future. Other than down.

And yet people accept it. Wow. And you call yourselves supporters? Well all the time you want to support ****, failure, lies, false hope, and complete and utter disrespect and contempt, go for it. But in my eyes thats not being a supporter. Thats being a mug. Or a lemming. Or an idiot. Or a nail in a coffin. A supporter to me wants the best for its club. Backs people through thick and thin, but there has to be a limit. Come on.

Does anyone at the club, or supporting of the club, have any balls? I know Jamie Cowley does, so do I, so does Tom Riding, and sorry to mention names gents, but I know you wont suddenly **** yourself given Ive said so, but there are several others that moan behind the scenes, but do nothing in the face of it, despite having the chance to throw some weight around.

Being a supporter is not following the lambs to the slaughter. Have some heart, some pride, and some guts. Stand up for your club, even if that makes you unpopular. If you are just interested in being popular, and towing the line, prepare to die a slow death, as you are already in a coma, and unless someone wakes up, neither will the patient.

There are some very good people at Welling United, and some very loyal supporters, of long standing. There are also many who are and have moved on. And until other see the light, the former will become the norm not the former.

Things could be different. Please make it so.

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 I will reply to certain comments that I actually know the answers to.

Stadium manager is not full time I believe he gets paid a pittance for a 20 hour week but volunteers many more hours than this including being the unpaid kit man. As kit man he was in the team photo as I believe kit men have been in the past. In fact when I spoke to him 40 minutes ago he was busy at PVR washing the kit for Monday.

Again the club secretary is part time not a full time employee but I know does more than his contracted hours.

Your application was not accepted as I said in my email to you as your association with Welling Town would not be in the interests of either club. WUSA has held regular committee and members meetings throughout since the start of the covid pandemic. How do you expect a coach to run if only a handful of people are interested in using it? Before you say it was only put on here for a week WUSA members were emailed first.

Welling United is not my life, it is a very important part of my life but I have other interests and activities apart from looking after the club shop on a voluntary basis. This is why the club shop only opens for a couple of hours on non matchdays. I doubt very much if many other non league club shops open when there is not a game on. 

Catering wagon and provider is entering its second season at the ground. Bars are run by the club and Lauren has not been associated with them for around 3 years. As far as the Ska music goes not my cup of tea but this was put on free of charge by one of our fans using his own audio equipment.

I hope you find these answers useful, cannot answer everything and I have no axes to grind with anyone I just like to get on with it to hopefully benefit the club and its supporters.

Chris wrote:

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I wasn't at the game but the fact it was all over after 11 minutes suggests there was a gulf in class between the two sides, fitness has nothing to do with it. Some of the players likely are nt up to this level of Football. The manager deserves some time to sort it out, but we cant give him too long if its not working.

The biggest mistake I think is not signing a single experienced central defender, the same mistake as last season. Also getting a season long loan goalkeeper is a gamble that has backfired so far.

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 I don't think the loan goalkeeper has played a league game yet due to injury? You are right; 3-0 down that quickly and the game was over and done with. 

Treacle wrote:

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I haven't had the 'pleasure' of getting to a match this season as there has been enough going on in my life. By the sounds of things I've been absolutely spared!

What I will say is that when a manager starts publicly calling out players and turning on supporters (at any level of football), there is rarely a way back. Credibility once lost, seldom regained as they say. The fact he turned on a popular and very loyal and long standing supporter will make it even worse, and I doubt much forgiveness will be given

Sad to see supporters turning on each other and arguing too. All I can add is that anyone who cites how many games they've been too and calls out anyone who doesn't go to every game, makes themselves sound like a 'super fan' ****. There's no prizes for going to the most games, and it doesn't mean that people who can't make it care any less.

Perhaps it actually needs a relegation and the club going into administration for a 'new beginning'. For whatever reason MG hasn't been able to pull off his vision of success and must have lost a small fortune. People say that football is a business these days, but anyone with an ounce of business sense would tell you its more of a hobby and there are very few clubs either professionally or amateur that run at a profit. At the top end its a rich man's hobby, and at the lower end it depends on the goodwill of supporters and volunteers to keep the ship afloat......the exact type of people that it sounds like the manager called out ironically.

Hope to get along to a game soon (for some bizarre reason!)

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 Great Post. Relegation and or even worse is nt necessarily the end of the world. Too many of our fans aren't welcoming to new supporters which we obviously need to survive. 

Relegation would be a disaster, but consider what might be needed for medium / long term survival. I think with so many teams going to full time our 2 sessions a week isnt going to let us compete on fitness. Budget is the next problem, can we ever expect (with the current owner(S)) that well ever get the investment needed to develop not only the playing side but also the facilities themselves? Then we can think about local and community support, The Council clearly dont see Welling fc ever being a jewel in the Boroughs crown, yes we have a hard core of supporters but are numbers are reducing year by year.

All very depressing Im afraid unless the owners of the club suddenly wake up and are prepared to give the club the leadership and backing it deserves.