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2-1 to Maidstone.....normal service resumed it seems

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3-1 now

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4-1

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 other scores in or around us not going our way either ..

 



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3 teams in bottom 4 playing 3 teams in top 4, and we the only ones not getting anything.

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The left back for Welling was very poor.

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Hes been poor all season, amazed he still gets game time. 

Our season is never going to be defined by these games, but have Tonbridge, Braintree or Billy been beaten so heavily against the top sides like we seem to be every time we play them? 

As poor a Welling squad as I can remember in all my time supporting this great Football Club.

 



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We can debate budgets, formations, tactics, fitness levels etc..etc.. until the cows come home.

Bottom line is that far too many of this squad are simply not good enough to play at National South level.

There might only be one down this season but we are nowhere near safe yet...



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We can debate budgets, formations, tactics, fitness levels etc..etc.. until the cows come home.

Bottom line is that far too many of this squad are simply not good enough to play at National South level.

There might only be one down this season but we are nowhere near safe yet...


Shortly  after the 13th November after beating Tonbridge I said we will ne lucky to win a game now till 25th January which is Braintree away, since then we have lost every game. And cam you honestly see a win coming anywhere unless theor is a dramatic change? 

And If we lose on 25th January I can see us being absolutely ######. 



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Having heard Mr Taylors comments after the match he must be the only person at PVR with any optimism. Fast becoming the worst side to grace PVR since I dont know when. There appears to be no appetite for change, therefore, things will just continue in this dismal way. We will be looking over our shoulder till the end of the season in the hope that others do not hit any form. Depressing isnt it.

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If we survive then what will be any different next season....without changes it will only be a matter of time before we drop

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First time I have seen Welling this season and sad to see too many players who don't look good enough for the National League South.

To be fair they competed in the first half and should have gone in level - two chances that should have gone in and a penalty that the assistant under the main stand bottled.

In the second half they were really poor and I feared for how bad it would get at 4-1.

The first two goals, no one closed down and the third Jack Sims, who was excellent otherwise, came out far too early and made the forward's mind up for him.

Hope that Peter Taylor can turn it around.

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I hate to say this cos one of the many things wrong is the managerial merry go round but I don't think Taylor is right for this job, I don't see the motivation for him and I don't see what he's done to improve us since he took over.
His tactics are to old school too.

Mg went for what he thought would be a crowd pleaser, what we needed or need is someone young and motivated trying to make their mark in the game, there's plenty of them around the ryman league etc who I reckon could of done a better job and no doubt a few applied but got turned down because wasn't a name and at the time with everyone (rightly so) being on MGs back he wanted to get a name in.

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The discussion about relegation is very negative.
We are likely already safe, or nearly safe, and we will not be relegated.
There is not point paying wages to signings unless we are in peril, and so then we get them in, at that time. But not now.

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Safe?????? You are joking, surely????? 9 points off bottom and cannot see a win in the near future and Billericay get a draw at high flying Ebbsfleet. Welling relegated by end of March is my prediction.



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The discussion about relegation is very negative.
We are likely already safe, or nearly safe, and we will not be relegated.
There is not point paying wages to signings unless we are in peril, and so then we get them in, at that time. But not now.


 It may be Negative but that's the situation are in, aa for being safe, everything you post on here is complete and utter nonsense. 



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I hate to say this cos one of the many things wrong is the managerial merry go round but I don't think Taylor is right for this job, I don't see the motivation for him and I don't see what he's done to improve us since he took over.
His tactics are to old school too.

Mg went for what he thought would be a crowd pleaser, what we needed or need is someone young and motivated trying to make their mark in the game, there's plenty of them around the ryman league etc who I reckon could of done a better job and no doubt a few applied but got turned down because wasn't a name and at the time with everyone (rightly so) being on MGs back he wanted to get a name in.


 Good idea...what about someone like Jody Brown or Harry Wheeler...??

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Easy to give bad examples with what we have had, but then neither of them had set the world alight elsewhere, maybe the people appointing them should of looked more into them first and wasn't any worse than what we're doing now.
But non league football has changed a lit in a short space of time in terms of how it's played and the people around it.
Plenty of managers about now with a few years experience looking to step up, Hayden Bird, James Bracken to name a couple.

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The discussion re managers is an interesting one, in the last few years weve had past players, managers who have won this league, well respected younger guys and now a name. Success has been rare - what has been the common denominator? I think its lack of finances and at times the meddling of MG. As for where we may be at the end of the season? I believe we will still pick up some points when we have a few matches against teams in the lower third of the league. So Id agree safety is a probability, but without significant financial support and increased training sessions, it will just be the same sorry story next season but with 3 teams relegated. Other teams will be investing and improving their teams & facilities, we need to do a lot just to keep pace!



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Maybe MG can only afford a new ground fit for ryman purposes, I see that's all gone quiet again, still never got anything put out from the meeting with him, and still will just trundle along thinking one day things will change on their own.

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The discussion re managers is an interesting one, in the last few years weve had past players, managers who have won this league, well respected younger guys and now a name. Success has been rare - what has been the common denominator? I think its lack of finances and at times the meddling of MG. As for where we may be at the end of the season? I believe we will still pick up some points when we have a few matches against teams in the lower third of the league. So Id agree safety is a probability, but without significant financial support and increased training sessions, it will just be the same sorry story next season but with 3 teams relegated. Other teams will be investing and improving their teams & facilities, we need to do a lot just to keep pace!


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The discussion re managers is an interesting one, in the last few years weve had past players, managers who have won this league, well respected younger guys and now a name. Success has been rare - what has been the common denominator? I think its lack of finances and at times the meddling of MG. As for where we may be at the end of the season? I believe we will still pick up some points when we have a few matches against teams in the lower third of the league. So Id agree safety is a probability, but without significant financial support and increased training sessions, it will just be the same sorry story next season but with 3 teams relegated. Other teams will be investing and improving their teams & facilities, we need to do a lot just to keep pace!


 4 down next season!!


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We still have to play Billericay along with a few tough away games. I certainly dont feel we are safe. 



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The discussion about relegation is very negative.
We are likely already safe, or nearly safe, and we will not be relegated.
There is not point paying wages to signings unless we are in peril, and so then we get them in, at that time. But not now.


 It may be Negative but that's the situation are in, aa for being safe, everything you post on here is complete and utter nonsense. 


Do you have anything better to say than insults.

At the end of the season we will be in the National League South, and in time for the new season the Pandemic will be at an end. 

That is NOT the time to spend money, but spending money right now is like booking a flights to somewhere you can't go because of Covid restrictions.

Next year will be tough for many clubs, so better to save now, that's all I'm saying. 

Or are you saying we should be on a spending spree? 



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Which of the words.....we don't have an money.....do you not understand?

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The discussion about relegation is very negative.
We are likely already safe, or nearly safe, and we will not be relegated.
There is not point paying wages to signings unless we are in peril, and so then we get them in, at that time. But not now.


 It may be Negative but that's the situation are in, aa for being safe, everything you post on here is complete and utter nonsense. 


Do you have anything better to say than insults.

At the end of the season we will be in the National League South, and in time for the new season the Pandemic will be at an end. 

That is NOT the time to spend money, but spending money right now is like booking a flights to somewhere you can't go because of Covid restrictions.

Next year will be tough for many clubs, so better to save now, that's all I'm saying. 

Or are you saying we should be on a spending spree? 



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 I dont think we need to go on a spending spree (with money we havent got) but I was expecting Peter Taylor to perhaps bring in more players on loan with his extensive contacts in the game. Whatever happens this season we do need to invest for next season as the league will be tougher with more going down. If MG cant invest or the ground plans are still in limbo then time to sell up or sell part ownership? 



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In recent weeks we have been in front at Hungerford, Dorking and Maidstone and surrendered our lead within minutes. I think Taylor needs to be honest with some of our defenders who aren't quite up to this level yet and if necessary bring in some loans until the end of the season.

In terms of the ground redevelopment its time to forget about leaving PVR or a project that would involve us leaving the ground for a year or two while its developed. Lets just look at new terracing behind both ends, with a roof and a new bar at the road end. We can apply for Football Foundation funding for most of this.  Outside of Welling the club has no future.



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Backpost wrote:

The discussion about relegation is very negative.
We are likely already safe, or nearly safe, and we will not be relegated.
There is not point paying wages to signings unless we are in peril, and so then we get them in, at that time. But not now.


 It may be Negative but that's the situation are in, aa for being safe, everything you post on here is complete and utter nonsense. 


Do you have anything better to say than insults.

At the end of the season we will be in the National League South, and in time for the new season the Pandemic will be at an end. 

That is NOT the time to spend money, but spending money right now is like booking a flights to somewhere you can't go because of Covid restrictions.

Next year will be tough for many clubs, so better to save now, that's all I'm saying. 

Or are you saying we should be on a spending spree? 


 Prove me wrong then, the other week you called MG a fantastic businessman! And no you haven't got to go on a spending spree as you put it, but we need some experienced players 2 or 3 to try and keep us out the ****. 

What you are saying about being in peril then spending......

1) we are in peril, I mean I don't know if you have seen any games but A) we are useless (B) qe haven't won a game for some time or look like winning one anytime soon.  

2) if your saying peril means bottom of the league then, trust me football does not work like that. Once we go bottom doesn't matter what u start to spend, it's a difficult place to get out of. 

Other clubs seem to be coping fine btw, because they are well run with chairman who know what they are doing and next year we will once again be left behind IF we are still in this division.



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 the Pandemic will be at an end. 

 Really?



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9 players in our own box, defending a quickly taken short throw in from the left.

Not one marking the guy who scores on the edge, why are we on our 6 yard box? It's absolutely shocking with no organisation, who does that come down to? Same with 2nd goal, decent strike but how has he been allowed that much time? Why is everyone just running into our own box rather than pressure on the ball?? It's Sunday league defending. And it's not just young players because the slightly more experienced players we have in midfield are doing the same thing, intact our midfield I'd say is more to blame for not.put pressure on the ball.

 



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Jamison wrote:
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Jamison wrote:
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The discussion about relegation is very negative.
We are likely already safe, or nearly safe, and we will not be relegated.
There is not point paying wages to signings unless we are in peril, and so then we get them in, at that time. But not now.


 It may be Negative but that's the situation are in, aa for being safe, everything you post on here is complete and utter nonsense. 


Do you have anything better to say than insults.

At the end of the season we will be in the National League South, and in time for the new season the Pandemic will be at an end. 

That is NOT the time to spend money, but spending money right now is like booking a flights to somewhere you can't go because of Covid restrictions.

Next year will be tough for many clubs, so better to save now, that's all I'm saying. 

Or are you saying we should be on a spending spree? 


 Prove me wrong then, the other week you called MG a fantastic businessman! And no you haven't got to go on a spending spree as you put it, but we need some experienced players 2 or 3 to try and keep us out the ****. 

What you are saying about being in peril then spending......

1) we are in peril, I mean I don't know if you have seen any games but A) we are useless (B) qe haven't won a game for some time or look like winning one anytime soon.  

2) if your saying peril means bottom of the league then, trust me football does not work like that. Once we go bottom doesn't matter what u start to spend, it's a difficult place to get out of. 

Other clubs seem to be coping fine btw, because they are well run with chairman who know what they are doing and next year we will once again be left behind IF we are still in this division.


 Prove you wrong? That's not for me to do, that's for the team to do and we will be in NLS in April. 

I don't think spending money is the answer, and if that's what the management have decided, then that's a good decision because we are not going to get relegated.

 What is your solution?



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Solution? Did you not read anything else said, bit of experience at the back wouldn't go a miss would it? A bit of organisation at the back, as shown is needed above...
We might well be in it come April, its where we are come end August I'd be worried about.
As someone else stated about expecting Taylor to use a few contacts from get a bit of experience in, if he can't then what is the point of having him as manager?
Now I don't know what he's getting paid but he ain't doing it for free, and I bet its more than we could be paying a few others.
And the prove me wrong bit was for you not the team, about some of the things you have posted on here in your short tenure.

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As Taylor admitted in his interview with Nigel with our budget and daily training there is no chance of bringing in anyone decent with experience. But he might be able to use his contacts to bring in some decent young players on loan.  Our experienced players need to step up or Taylor will have to move them on. We need to defend better as a team, the league table doesn't lie- we have the worst defence in the league.



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We might well be in it come April 


Thank you for making my point. No need to spend when it's not necessary. 

 



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We might well be in it come April 


Thank you for making my point. No need to spend when it's not necessary. 

 


 Uh, honestly, that's how clueless you are....the season ends in May. Then the new season would start August, go back to wherever u have come from.



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