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Will be good to see some former players at the game tomorrow;

LEGENDS SET TO ATTEND SATURDAYS GAME V ST ALBANS CITY

Some of those attended featured in our title win and FA Cup season;

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This is such a competitive division, with everyone looking to constantly improve, sacking managers, bringing in new players, sometimes resulting in improvements, sometimes not. Welling have also been looking to constantly improve, making new signings, releasing some players, and Warren said in his interview he is open to making new signings. The great thing is this is all from a position of strength, as we have been in the top ten since August, so are an attractive highly competitive team to join. I am so impressed with the players that joined Warren's team this season, as they clearly believed in his vision of where he can take the club, and it is great their faith has been rewarded by such an exciting season, rather than a third relegation battle in a row.

I saw a really interesting Roy Keane interview, where he was talking about the pressures of being a football manager, and one of the things he talked about was managers going into a club to fix it. That is what Warren has done, so many things were wrong about the club when he joined, and him and the board have fixed so many things on and off the pitch, doubling attendances, dramatically improving results, and a quarter of the way through the season looking promising for a play off spot.

St Albans have just changed their manager, and have a caretaker manager in post, so an interesting time to play them. Our recent draws have slightly distracted attention from the bigger picture, which is that one defeat in the last nine league games is a fantastic start to the new team's new season.



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0-3 Full Time Started well, gifted them a goal
and fell apart. Never looked like scoring.

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What part started well? Atrocious performance. 



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Terrible, worst performance Ive seen for quite a while, our shots were never on target so their keeper didnt have to make a save.

their 2nd goal looked offside to me, and their tactics were at times unprofessional, but we should be able to cope with that.

very disappointing.



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I thought the team was meant to gel after 10 or so games. We are worse now than we were last season. Im not joking!

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That's the sort of performance we were seeing last season, just not good enough. Sloppy, and gave the ball away for all their goals.
St Albans look a solid team and will do well this season, but then we didn't do a lot to test them.

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Che started the season so well interlinking down the left wing.
Probably as good as any winger we have.
Today. Leave him at centre back whenever we get a corner.
So one sided, sling it down the right to Azeez.
No centre mid, and Che having his hands tied.
Phaoadopolis has clearly shown why he wont play for Orient again.
This has been coming since the Fisher home game.
Perhaps the insubordination of the manager is beginning to rub off on the players?

I mentioned earlier this season Feeneys attitude was something that made the man what he was.
However, like the team, is he beginning to turn into a one trick pony?

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Well I wasn't expecting that. In a word we were abysmal, and I shall leave the dissection of the game to those more competent than me to comment. The honeymoon is over, St Albans are no more than an ordinary side but they beat us 3-0 on our home ground (albeit that we gave them two of them). .What does that, and other results recent times say. It would appear we have lost our way, it would seem we have nothing up front (not one strike on goal today), a midfield that huffs and puffs but does little else and a defence that on its day can hold its own. We saw today the introduction of another new midfield player and, that is fine, but we need something different up front. Nzala may have been able to offer that but he is playing for Dulwich Omelette. They say a good team does not turn into a bad one overnight, I am beginning to wonder. I shall be interested to hear what my fellow supporter Mr Hartley says about this one. Not a great performance to put on before two previous wings with perhaps 2000 performances between them.

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This league is so competitive that if one makes mistakes the opposition are good enough to punish us, and are not so bad that we can get away with making mistakes.

The equalising goal we conceded against Hampton last week was a stupid clumsy conceded penalty from a player who is normally better than that. Our first two conceded goals today were conceded by equally normally reliable players making mistakes in defence, in the first goal a ridiculously suicidal bad dangerous back pass got intercepted, when the player making the pass had plenty of time to pick out a safer forward option. In the second goal Myles could have aimed to kick the ball out for a throw in, rather than committing himself to a tackle and be stranded if the tackle didn't clear the ball. And we made mistakes in attack, having clear chances, but missing them.

With Peter Taylor, we made stupid mistakes in conceding soft unnecessary free kicks and the opposition kept scoring from them. He was ineffective about that, kept saying we had to cut out those soft goals, but didnt do anything to actually fix that. Talking about the match with my son on the way home I was trying to work out what was so wrong today, and finally settled on it being the players are inconsistent. Our mistakes are getting punished. I remember seeing Chi a while back making mistakes and thinking he had got too overconfident, since when he has really sorted that out in his game, but I think the team today was too confident, after a decent unbeaten run in the league, and had forgotten the lessons from the FA cup defeat against Weymouth. Hopefully this is a wake up call for the team, and cuts out any complacency, as if we quickly get our act together a top 7 place and play off spot is still up for grabs, but if we keep making worse than schoolboy errors that chance will quickly disappear.

We went into this game against a caretaker manager, and us having only lost one in the last nine games, so I was confident of a win for us, especially when I saw they were only playing with one isolated guy up front so were hoping to hit us on the break, but were basically aiming for an away 0 - 0. But if we keep giving ourselves the handicap of conceding stupid soft goals from not doing the basics right, then we will get what we deserve, which is nothing. And if our players play the direct attacking football that succeeds in this division, we will get deserved wins.

Something I have realised is it is dangerous to have too narrow a focus of the last game or two rather than looking at the big season long picture. For the past three months we have been top 10, and still are, despite three draws and a loss in our last four games, so there is still that big positive, at present, and we must work out what our strengths are and play to those. How one deals with setbacks is the mark of long term winners, and football is all about having football intelligence, and remembering and learning from mistakes, and not just being football stupid and keep repeating them.



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Squad not good/strong enough time for changes players in defo out.
Todays result was coming sorry to say.

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That was so bad today I actually offered to go out on the pitch and repaint the writing

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Pass it to another player in a Red shirt. When appropriate kick the bally thing into the Netty thing. Several times if necessary. Win the game. Collect wages. Go home. Simples!!!!!

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I dont think its been overconfidence but we have to remember we are not the only team settling down a squad. Other teams have done the same, caught up and caught us out. Need some creativity in midfield, some passing football, and some simple stuff at times. 



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I may have to stay away for Welling's sake - I've been to Welling 0-0 Fisher and Welling 0-3 St. Albans this year, in both of which we looked completely lacking in ideas and a midfield presence.

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Where to begin after that..?!

I thought we had the better of the first 20/25 minutes and nobody can legislate for the mistake for the first goal. What was more alarming was the reaction  (or rather lack of it) I think the keeper was unlucky on the second goal and it was a good finish by their lad. I was hoping/expecting a reaction after half time but it never happened and I could have played in goal for St Albans today to be honest. I thought Sam Cox filled in well at full back and Chi continues to impress and I do like Kassarate but the rest of them were way off it today. We had a number of "ballers" in the team today yet we continue to launch it over their heads far too often. Papadopolous wasn't having a good day but, at 0-2 down, we replace him with a centre half..??

Stats can be used in a multitude of ways but that's no win in five now and two three goal defeats in there as well.  That's not what I would personally call a blip.

It was great to see the legends today and there is so much going right at our football club off the pitch.  Another very good crowd today but the best way to keep these people coming week on week is by winning football matches. Two home wins now in seven league games - not so much a fortress as a wendy house..

A very very tough game next week but hopefully a reaction..??

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Genuine question does Feeney need to bring in some experience on the bench to help him? 

Cox is learning his trade and transitioning into a coaching role  from a player  and Craig Holloway another with little experience who with respect was brought in as a GK coach.  

I know we go looking For excuses after a run of poor form, but the amount of time they are on the training field during the week we seem to have such little identity when it comes to a style of play. 



-- Edited by Spills on Saturday 15th of October 2022 10:06:00 PM

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I was amazed earlier this season to watch an interview with the Dartford manager, who was shocked about how badly his team had played. Normally with managers you get bland generalities after bad defeats, as the managers want to keep the details between him and the team, but this interview was remarkable, as the manager was being so open about the failures he saw in his team, saying they lacked heart, folded when things went against them, some were too old, players would have to go and new ones were needed, that maybe he was too old and the players couldnt relate to him, and he gave many other failures. I was thinking this would be so demoralising for the team, and counterproductive. It is on Youtube called Alan Dowson | Post Taunton Town (A) and well worth a watch. But since then Dartford have turned things round, and gone on a winning run. So sometimes a really bad loss can be a wake up call and expose the limitations and make clear what changes are needed.

I really value the opinions on this forum, as sometimes there are overreactions, but overall the really knowledgeable fans give challenging views and that help me and others, as at the end of the day we all want the same thing - for Welling to do as well as possible.

Warren has said repeatedly there will be highs and lows of the season, and that is turning out to be true. There can be a fine line between success and failure, at the attacking end we keep getting into dangerous positions and creating clear chances, and getting but at the moment are not putting them away, whereas earlier this season we were. In defence we have started making individual errors that lead to goals being conceded.

It feels a little - sod it, a lot! - as though we have lost sight of what made us successful earlier. I personally think our best performances are when we have made lots of overlaps in wide positions, playing the ball up the wings, and then crossing in. That brought out the best in many of our players, and was exciting to watch, and successful. The players clearly loved to play that way, as we played it with such pace, unlike today and recent games which have been too slow and indecisive.

Today there felt a massive gap behind the strikers, no one coming in centrally behind them to support them and we are lacking a really attacking central midfielder to link up with the attack. When I look at players I look for end product - a goal, an assist, a crucial tackle - and there are some players in our team I just dont see that end product, or what they really contribute. By now pretty much all the players have had a chance to show what they can do, and as all the other teams are making changes to improve, we have to do that too, or we will be overtaken, and that overtaking has already been taking place in the last few weeks, St Albans and Weymouth have changed and improved and beat us. Three players recently left the club, Warren totally rebuilt the team last season to stay up, and then rebuilt a second time before the start of the season, and I was sitting within earshot of Warren today so know from what he was shouting out to the players that he could see what was going wrong today. Unfortunately we have two very in form teams coming up, in Ebbsfleet and Dartford, but also some other games that hopefully will be easier, but at the moment our stupid clumsy mistakes are making it hard for us.

Last season Warren said something that really stuck in my mind, saying the team needed more quality. That word quality has stayed with me, I have seen so much of it earlier on this season, just now it feels as if the player standards have dropped and they are playing with less quality, so they need to remember to have more attention to playing with quality, shoot more accurately, tackle more precisely, play more decisively. This is where professional pride comes in, Liverpool have been underperforming recently, and are having to work out how to turn things round, we are a different team, but have that same problem to fix.

It is up to the players, that is the ultimate answer to the problems, they have created the recent problems and they have to fix them.

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Spills wrote:

Genuine question does Feeney need to bring in some experience on the bench to help him? 

Cox is learning his trade and transitioning into a coaching role  from a player  and Craig Holloway another with little experience who with respect was brought in as a GK coach.  

I know we go looking For excuses after a run of poor form, but the amount of time they are on the training field during the week we seem to have such little identity when it comes to a style of play. 



-- Edited by Spills on Saturday 15th of October 2022 10:06:00 PM

 Exactly this.  The team have no identity to put their stamp on the game aside from long ball to azeez.  As others have said this has been coming.

 

I may get pelters and this isn't an knee jerk reaction but unfortunately with a better set of players, we aren't a massive deal different in terms of style to last season.  I didn't think the manager was the right appointment based on performances and some of the results.  Yes we stayed up.and thank you but I think there are managers who could ay a much better tune out of this squad.



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My god that was a painful watch. Big problems as I see it with attitude - the same half arsed attitude that was apparent with the loss at Weymouth seemed all too apparent again yesterday. Didn't look too bad at 0-0 but as soon as their first goal went in, the wheels came off big time and we could have played till midnight without having a proper effort on goal in that second half. What worries me is the aimless punting it forward, just watching centre halves nodding the thing out for fun - happened at Taunton, home to Fisher, and no doubt a few other times. When we've got the ball down and played in matches it has produced decent results and performances. Lack of belief at the moment for some of these players

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My god that was a painful watch. Big problems as I see it with attitude - the same half arsed attitude that was apparent with the loss at Weymouth seemed all too apparent again yesterday. Didn't look too bad at 0-0 but as soon as their first goal went in, the wheels came off big time and we could have played till midnight without having a proper effort on goal in that second half. What worries me is the aimless punting it forward, just watching centre halves nodding the thing out for fun - happened at Taunton, home to Fisher, and no doubt a few other times. When we've got the ball down and played in matches it has produced decent results and performances. Lack of belief at the moment for some of these players

 Yes its been a very long since Ive been to PVR, but watching from a far, but is there a leader on the pitch two Centre halves to come on the back, wheres the full backs making the over laps ? Oh & please change the run out music as There aint no Stoppin us now ! Seems a bit pretentious what happen to good old London calling ?



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Today there felt a massive gap behind the strikers, no one coming in centrally behind them to support them and we are lacking a really attacking central midfielder to link up with the attack. When I look at players I look for end product - a goal, an assist, a crucial tackle 

 It wasn't just me that thought that then. Lump it over the top and hope the big lad up front can chest it down. The other thing I found odd was that although Dunne was captain it seemed as though Cox was the vocal one out there. Was also fairly evident how the heads went down and players bickered when we made the mistakes to make them two up. Oddly I thought barring those mistakes the game was worthy of a 0-0 as neither side had any quality and their third came when we were straining to get back into it.

Hopefully this ex-Swindon and Iraqi international can put his foot on the ball in midfield: we needed that yesterday rather than simply bypassing it over the top.



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I thought Sam Cox filled in well at full back and Chi continues to impress and I do like Kassarate but the rest of them were way off it today. 

Up the Wings!

 

The only three players to get higher than six out of ten in the NLP! 

I also thought that we were the better team for the first thirty minutes. Their goalkeeper made a brilliant early save from Kassarate, and Azeez might have done better by getting his full forehead on a Maloney delivery rather than trying to glance it inside the post. I also felt that Roberts was a bit unlucky for the second goal having again been exposed, but I need to see it on the video.

 



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All has already been said. I thought Sam Cox did well at Right back and Amadou. Other than that not much to write home about. Thought Miles was unlucky with his clearance, right to come for it but not the best execution. That said it's about the first mistake he's made.

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A very poor performance and as others have said its not like the warning signs weren't there. The style of play in recent weeks is definately a concern and I hope Warren can see that changes either with the playing style or personnel are now needed. We definately need more width but I can't see where that will come from with this current squad, especially down the left. Chi has really impressed me over the past few months, when he first joined the club I thought he was massively out of his depth but has turned into a very tidy player for this level and still at such a young age. We don't seem to have a natural left midfielder in the squad, or any midfielder comfortable at all on their left foot for that matter, Maloney has been put there as a makeshift but all afternoon yesterday he had the ball in advanced areas and every time either cut inside or played it backwards. As I remember it this is how the mistake for the first goal came about, he gets the ball and doesn't know what to do when he's shown down the outside because he doesn't want to play it on his left so turns back. If anything comes out of this poor result I really hope its that Warren sees we need improvements in the wide areas.

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If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, dont deal in lies,
Or, being hated, dont give way to hating,
And yet dont look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dreamand not make dreams your master;
If you can thinkand not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth youve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: Hold on;

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kingsnor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds worth of distance run
Yours is the Earth and everything thats in it,
Andwhich is moreyoull be a Welling Manager, my son!


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If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, dont deal in lies,
Or, being hated, dont give way to hating,
And yet dont look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dreamand not make dreams your master;
If you can thinkand not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth youve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: Hold on;

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kingsnor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds worth of distance run
Yours is the Earth and everything thats in it,
Andwhich is moreyoull be a Welling Manager, my son!

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