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https://www.kentsportsnews.com/chelmsford-city-v-welling-united-preview-5-27-01-2023/



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Bit surprised at the lack of posts on the game. The Chelmsford forum suggests a dire game between two poor sides whilst Warren's post match interview suggests a fantastic performance! Perhaps somewhere in between?



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Solid performance today and deserved win. Still dont understand the ref, he sent off one of their staff but was quite happy to be chatted up by their captain during the game, as he walked off at half time and when he came back on for the second half. Why not just put a stop to it? otherwise our players have to stoop to that level to win favours. They appear so weak at times.

Enjoyable to win against a team up in the play offs who apparently thought we were beneath them, by a couple of leagues. Not today though!



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Chelmsford impressed me a lot in our home game against them, they've been top 7 pretty much all season, so I kind of expected us to lose this 0 - 2 or 0 - 3, so a win against such a consistently good side was a nice surprise, especially as we started with 3 very recently joined players, and then brought on another one late in the match, so were far from putting out a settled side. But that new look is very much a positive, as the team had gone stale in the second quarter of the season, so changes were needed and overdue. The club signing model has thankfully moved on from being a rest home for retired football players to a younger, hungrier type of player and that has got rid of some of the complacency from the manager and players that undermined the team for a while now.

A cringe moments this season was two players playing rock paper scissors to decide who would take a penalty, which was chaotic, so it is great that Taylor M has emerged as the reliable penalty taker. And it is getting details like that sorted out as the season goes on starts turning us from a group of individuals into a proper team.

All the recent postponements were a drag, but had an unexpected benefit, as teams below played games, and not done particularly well in them, so the table now has teams having played pretty much the same number of games, and it is clearer now we look safer from relegation, wedged midtable 11 points above relegation, 10 points below a play off spot. Last season we only won 10 games, this season we've already won 9, so to cheer Riverstown up even more, the Joy of Feeney will continue with Welling, perhaps forever!



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Thought Payne put a decent shift in, which kind of summed up the entire teams effort.
A degree of the Ebbsfleet away mindset, in that we will not lose this game.
As said earlier this season after a similar result, this means nothing unless we carry this effort on at home next week.
Struggling to decide a MoM, but if I had to stick my neck out (for those who went), would go with our No 10 Elito.
Also had a punt on us at 17/4 which always makes the day that bit nicer.

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Not the first time they have played rock paper scissors to decide on a penalty taker .The best taker should take it unless your 3 orc4 up

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I was not at the game so cannot comment on the performance but well done to the team for getting the win. Please please back it up next week against The black and white sh##te

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Very good performance yesterday, from going one nil up I thought we controlled the game and apart from right at the end when Roberts needed to make a great save he wasn't really troubled. The two new signings were very impressive, I thought Rob Howard had a good game ,Payne was a threat and did a good job on the Chelmsford captain by getting him wound up and when he received a booking he literally lost his head as Payne had the measure of him by then. Towards the end we even had a few chances to get a second but it wasn't to be, great to see our happy supporters shouting up to me after the game and chatting to fans in the bar after the general feeling was a good solid performance. Personally I'm glad that game is out the way as I don't like the so called ground, the seats for the media are ridiculous and the pitch obviously is so far away. One good thing though is the match programme, its like a book and definitely worth the money. Massive massive game next week and if we battle the same way we did yesterday we can take them

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Thought it was a poor game. Good result and not really much else to say. I disagree with most that loads of the players played well. I dont think that many made mistakes and was solid but few did anything that shouldnt be expected of them. Id like to know how many shots we had on target because we created very few clear cut chances in my opinion. Their centre half was cleaning up everything in the air and apart from constantly rowing with Payne he had a fairly easy time of it. Onto the next one I guess, but absolutely too early to say weve turned a corner after this. Still a long ball brand of football that is mostly not very entertaining to watch.

A few of the players are in Belfast according to their Instagram. Lets hope that their trip inspires a big performance for this coming Saturday.

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I tried to drive Riverstown to despair by suggesting we may always be managed by Warren, but Riverstown is stronger minded than I'd expected in handling that prospect. Then we just need to bring Kieron St Aimie back as a player, just to keep Jamison happy. Ex All Time Welling Great Tom Derry has scored in 5 of his last 7 league matches, I know, I can't believe that either, but it is true, so maybe he can make a shock return too! Antony has scored in both his loan games so far, so that is good news.

As I see it, despite his words about being afraid of no one, our manager is scared to lose, as he wants to keep his job, so we play defensive football. Often there are none of our players in their half at all, so guess what, if you are half a pitch away from the opponents goal you are not that likely to score. That is why we fall back on this poor ineffective long ball. That safety first approach is why if we go a goal up he hopes to sit back and defend that lead, rather than go for a second decisive goal. If you score and then concentrate on defending for the rest of the match you are very likely to concede, and not score more, and the high number of draws we have shows that happening so often.

The opposition manager said after the match yesterday that we pretty much shut up shop and dropped back after we scored, again, it is why we score so few second half goals. He put the loss down to the ref creating a disjointed game that more suited us, one of those illogical spins football managers come up with to explain defeats. But glad we won, and next just another unpressurised routine league match against Dartford...



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Another load of bollox on a thread looking for comment on a game it would appear you never attended.
Borrow someones dog and take it for a walk.

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It is not a load of as you put it bollox. This latest match is part of the uninspiring complacent careful managing of expectations "We will take one game at a time and see where it gets us" mentality, which is a total contrast to the Dartford manager. He is not afraid to be ambitious and to stand or fall on his results.

During the week he gave an interview when he was saying about his team, if were a happy go lucky family club not going for promotion what is the point of that? If I dont get promotion in the next two years sack me and the players have to have that same mentality too. The only thing that matters is promotion. I am here to get promotion. Its pointless having an academy if you dont use them. Its pointless having an academy if they are not good enough. If we dont believe in them it is pointless them being here.

Instead of trying to pick silly rows with another poster have a look at the YouTube Dartford fc site vid Alan Dowson | Midweek Catch-Up | 19/01/2022 www.youtube.com/watch as it goes a long way towards explaining why we are where we are, and why they are where they are.




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Not sure how manager's interviews determine where their team are in the league but, as I was there yesterday, here's my two penneth...

I thought it was a pretty drab game with defences on top. First half I felt we were the better side without really threatening too much. Second half we sat too deep for me but they didn't worry us on many occasions. In my opinion we look a lot more solid with Roberts in goal and, although he didn't have much to do, he dealt with it well. Their keeper had less to do but ultimately cost his team the game. Whilst the penalty was definitely in the "seen them given" category, I wouldn't have been happy if it were given against us.!

Our boys showed plenty of desire and commitment yesterday but that ought to be a given every week. Good to see Howard back and the new centre half was impressive.  I've  never been his biggest fan but I thought Elito had one of his best games for us. I don't understand how Kassarate always seems to be the fall guy when we change formation  as he's been one of our better performers this season, but both he and young Lisbie increased the energy levels when they came on.

Now on to next weekend (#jag) where I don't have a lot of expectations but I do at least hope we can compete rather than just rollover like we have so many times in recent seasons...

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The rose tinted specs post match interview, at odds with all other match reports, made me think about the Dartford managers contrasting honesty. His interview was the third one that struck as weirdly fascinating and brave management, and unexpectedly successful, as he took such a big gamble, but it has paid off big time. They started their season really badly, bottom four relegation zone, then he said his team were too old, lacked heart, werent good enough needed to be replaced

Saying those bad things about the team he himself managed was a massive managerial risk, he could have lost the dressing room, they would either be demoralised and give up after all his criticism, (which incidentally happened to us in the second quarter season with Warrens endless moans about his disappointment with players lack of fitness and so called inability to reach his standards and him not understanding it is supposed to be his job to get them to reach the standards), which would have ended in the Dartford manager being sacked. Or they could respond positively determined to prove him wrong. His gamble paid off, they responded positively and zoomed up the table.

The second interview he gave that struck was when he was disappointed with a team performance, but said he was throwing himself under the bus, as impressively he took full responsibility and blamed himself for poor decisions.

That third striking interview I linked above was interesting, as he talks about him taking responsibility on behalf of players to take pressure off them, in a way other managers dont, quite the opposite, they dump pressure on players to try to save their own skin, or pretends performances are better than they are and the constant spin just makes things said look so unreliable and no one ends up respecting people like that. But the team spirit seems better these days, hopefully the manager is breaking his unsuccessful ways by finally learning his old school approach doesn't work these days and one needs to manage and communicate more positively and encourage players more to get the best from them.


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The match highlights are up, showing a brilliantly taken penalty, Taylor has reached the BBC list of top scorers in the League and is great, as it is a mix of shots, free kicks, penalties, and he has also made assists, so such an enjoyable and important member of the team. Weird highlights on the Chelmsford site, first 40 seconds was of the teams walking onto the pitch! But for once they don't make things clearer, as we got a penalty after our player was knocked down by the keeper, but the ball was moving away from goal, and our player was moving away from goal to get the ball when he was brought down, so it wasn't strictly him being denied a goal scoring chance.

Is any foul in the penalty area on an attacking player automatically a penalty, as it is great we got a penalty, and may be one of those luck evening itself out over a season as we have had so many bad decisions against us this season so far, but I am not sure of the rules on this if we should have actually had this penalty or not.



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If a player is fouled in the box then it's a pen. Keeper looked like he was going for the ball but landed on Gavin resulting in a trip and pen. Didn't look intentional but was a foul, although not sure many refs would see it or give it.

I think rose tinted specs all round is fine on this occasion. 3 points away from home, a clean sheet, decent opposition and a ref who didn't cost us (even after his cosy chats with their captain).



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GaryH thanks for the explanation. I watched a match on tv yesterday where there was a foul on an attacking player that the ref missed, and the commentators picked it up as a definite foul and so definite penalty, and I remembered your post and understood that situation better than I had in the Cheltenham match.

We now enter a really interesting part of the season. Very often teams have a ok - ish first half of the season, but really do well in the second half, so although it is too late to do well in the current season show when the new season starts, they are a big danger. Man U won't win this season's Premiership, as they dropped too many early points while finding out their best team, but their recent results are consistently good, so next season, having already sorted out their best team, they could be a major danger.

With us it may be the same, though still too early to tell, as we have this mad season, promotion form first quarter, relegation form second quarter, now heading into the second half of the season, with some promising and pleasing recent results, I'd never have guessed we'd beat Cheltenham, and we recently did the double against top 10 Tonbridge. Modern football has suddenly changed so much, it is now all about managers loving their players instead of driving them into the ground, and I get the sense maybe Warren has finally realised after many years as a manager he needed to change his management style into this more supportive understanding approach, and this starts to bring the best out of the team again.

I remember earlier this season the Dartford manager despaired about his central defenders. Watching highlights of the recent Dartford 0 - 3 loss to Worthing, they still have massive problems in central defence, so although a match against local rivals Dartford is apparently just another match, we could get something from it, which would be fab after losing 1 - 5 last time. I would cry with laughter while watching their despairing manager process that defeat in a post match interview. Come on Welling, make it happen!

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I remember a time when messages were short and snappy on here.good times

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look forward to your preview of the Chelmsford Gold Cup in March.



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Wallop wrote:

look forward to your preview of the Chelmsford Gold Cup in March.



-- Edited by Wallop on Tuesday 31st of January 2023 06:56:25 PM



-- Edited by Wallop on Tuesday 31st of January 2023 06:58:44 PM

 I was thinking more about the Chelmsford  Literature Festival do believe KSA is doing a reading.



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Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:
Wallop wrote:

look forward to your preview of the Chelmsford Gold Cup in March.



-- Edited by Wallop on Tuesday 31st of January 2023 06:56:25 PM



-- Edited by Wallop on Tuesday 31st of January 2023 06:58:44 PM

 I was thinking more about the Chelmsford  Literature Festival do believe KSA is doing a reading.

 I've been looking forward to it for ages..  



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