Credibility once lost seldom regained - and he has none with players or fans. He should have gone weeks ago. There's no happy ending here. If the owners want to carry on slipping towards oblivion and producing a brand of football that attracts gates of 400, it's up to them - in which case they already have the right man. If they don't, change it. Very simple

Rumours of unpaid bills etc are worrying to say the least. How true the rumours are is anyones guess. Training on the PVR pitch to save money says it all IMO.

Really good honest assessment of where we are

Jimmy wrote:

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I'll take a stab to say that feeney generates income that is valued as being more important at this moment in time alla this this uni USA crap. Feeney himself said they were rich kids. An amercian on twitter said it cost 28k per term to go. Have a look at who is involved with it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other pregratives at play.

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 Link or idea where to look, cheers in advance.

twitter.com/wellingunited/status/1625510424404713473

twitter.com/wellingunited/status/1625087638511267841

My read of this situation is:

Far too long

Fenney says he was deflated and gutted after yesterday's game,, Snap!!!! me too

GaryH wrote:

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My read of this situation is:

Far too long

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 Gary, Mr Hartley or Mr Feeney? My guess is both although could include me, too long in the tooth 

Norin Radd wrote:

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The board Members at the club who know football had already raised the concerns which you highlighted! 

They are now not involved with the first team and probably wont be all the while hes there! Problem being non football people 

running(ruining) the club! 

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 Interesting comments is there more to divulge?  Assume this is the academy guys moving away?

Mistakes were made by the board at the beginning of the season which in hindsight are there to see but in all fairness nobody was complaining at the time.

The move to day time training is the first big mistake, we're paying a premium on players wages I.e a player you could get for 300/400pw is wanting 200 or 300 more because he can't work 3 days a week if at all. And it limits who you can and can't sign in the first place.

Then there was the whole business of who is signing the players, it was bull in a china shop/naivety at best. Now hopefully lessons learned and all we're trying to do is see out the season, change direction next season, but we'll see.

All said and done though for what we have paid out we should be doing better and at least playing better football. We are a ridiculously poor side and under the current manager that will not change regardless of any other changes.

I like the line from the film Cool Hand Luke that says, "A man has got to know his limitations".

That strikes me about Warren, as I see limitations in his team management, so personally just don't see the necessary football manager skills in him, the necessary connection with fans, the tactical skills to turn games our way, and the poor results in role after role speak for themselves.

But in other areas apart from actual first team management Warren has many qualities that would benefit us to keep. I talked to a player ages ago, asking why they had joined us, and he told me he had been impressed by the vision Warren and the owner gave of our future direction. So Warren has that side fans won't see, of helping attract players. He has a big network of football contacts, and that is invaluable, as we have had lots of really good loan signings we may not have got otherwise. I am not sure if Myles was here through Warren, but Myles saves must have been worth lots of saved points this season, and we'd be bottom 4 without them. So football contacts for loans is important.

The international focus of the club to Ireland and the US is also an area Warren can help in, as he has obvious links with Ireland. I remember we played a friendly he had to miss as he was scouting for a player, and being able to concentrate on player recruitment, and leave the managing of the actual playing side to someone else is actually a wise move, as management is so short term, most roles lasting a year or less, so a sideways move has more stability.

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The league manager who most impressed me this season was Paul Doswell of Havant, his pre match interview before playing us showed a fantastic understanding of our club, our players, our training, our fan base. They were top 2 until December, and top 3 until March, then suddenly fell apart, 6 losses, 2 draws and only 2 wins from their last 10 games, and now in 6th place, just 3 points above 8th team, so not even sure of a play off spot, and results haven't improved with the new manager. In an interview a few weeks back he said he was stepping back from doing interviews, as he has done them so many years he wanted to give someone else a chance. Then a week or so later it was announced he was stepping down totally as manager, to hand it to a player being groomed for the manager role. He is still staying with the club, as they clearly value his expertise, but it is good that they have shown that flexibility, rather than just sack him for a bad run of results, say goodbye and lose all he can offer.

So a sideways step for Warren, out of the manager role, and into a more general one, is best for all. There is that saying in football that the one thing guaranteed in football management is the sack, and that is so true. So the clever people in football understand it is better to be in roles that aren't dependent on results from players one can't rely on, as sooner or later all teams have bad spells, and the manager gets all the blame. As a manager there are so many gaps in our manager, but positives too, I was so impressed with his commitment to us that he shared in the fans forum, the impact this team has on his family life, and having a role where he can have more family time, not tied down to training three times a week, would be a good outcome for him and the club.

But as a manager, our form of 5 league wins in 6 months October onwards is amazingly bad, the buck has to stop somewhere.

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 I have it on good authority that Doswell being "moved aside" had nothing to do with results 

So if he'd called him a c##t instead of a fotze he would of been alright? Seems a bit harsh for a bit of name calling.

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One of the moments about this season that still makes me laugh is Stefan getting sent off for calling the ref a (and I quote) a "f-cking c-nt", as by now Stefan should know that isn't the right sort of thing to say to a ref.

But looking into Doswell and Kutrieb's rwo, Stefan's frank view on the ref is actually quite mild to what those two came up with, press coverage revealed:

"Now details of the regulatory commission which heard Doswells case have been published on the FA website. The investigation was prompted by the assistant referee's report on the incident.

The commission heard that it was alleged in or around the 42nd minute the assistant referee heard Doswell imitating Kutrieb saying unbelievable man in a German accent and then called him a t***.

It was claimed by Doswell in his defence that Kutrieb responded by saying Im going to f*** your mother to which Doswell replied that his mother was dead. Doswell then called Kutrieb a German c*** and as matters became heated the word c*** could be heard several times.

In Kutriebs initial observations on February 17, 2021, the commission noted that there was no mention of the remark about Doswells mother.

On February 25, 2021, Doswell admitted calling Kutrieb a German c*** on a number of occasions and said it was in the heat of the moment because of comments about his mother, whom he had not seen for nine months owing to the pandemic.

Doswell expressed regret at his own actions but observed that he had never before been spoken to in such a way in all of his years in football.

On November 6, 2021, Kutrieb said that Doswell stated f*** you and f*** you, you silly c*** and that he responded by saying Your mother is a silly c***. Doswell then began to insult him by reference to his German nationality."

Warren's pre-match interview for Weymouth is even funnier than the above talk, but I'll save the comments for that thread once it is up. Warren is deadpan comedy gold though, able to say hilarious nonsense with a totally straight face. One does wonder though if Doswell will magically reappear as manager in 12 matches time. OMG, so might Warren!

 

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 I'll give this one a miss. It's far too long.

I thought over the situation after the Weymouth game, and realised, for the first time, the problem is he calls himself a football manager, but isn't, as he doesn't manage problems, he avoids them, so they don't get fixed, so keep repeating. That is why our results have been so bad for 6 months, as he doesn't make changes.

Our disciplinary record is atrocious, 11 red cards in 37 games, so for 10 games we have been a player short (as 2 went off in one game), and that will have had an impact on results in those games and lost us lots of precious points. And countless suspensions from accumulated bookings, which again impact results. And the manager has done nothing to fix the discipline, just turns a blind eye to it, as it is too difficult for him to deal with, as he is not an effective man manager.

The opposition know how we will play, as we are so predictable, he has his favourite players, fringe players dont get a chance to regularly play. So it is pretty much the same team put out, which was fine when we won in August and September, but when we have been losing for 6 months after things clearly need to be shaken up long ago, different formations, players playing in different positions. Big decisions are needed but he is unable to make them.

Anyone but Warren can see the shape of the team is wrong, too many players staying back, not enough going forward, he is a defensive minded manager, all about holding on to a point, rather than being committed to going for 3. If we are up a goal, or level, he mistakenly will usually take a striker off to put on an extra defender. But then we aren't attacking any more, so then just defend for the rest of the match, and and if other sides keep attacking eventually they will score, as shown by all the late goals we concede. Loads of precious points lost from that weak mentality of his.

He can't see any of this, which is why a new manager who can see the problems is needed, as the new manager can then fix the problems. He was sacked from his last 3 managerial positions with his team in relegation spots after long runs of poor results, he isnt just an average mid table manager, he is an actual disaster for his teams, and the way things are going with Welling he will have another relegated team on his CV.

The one thing unclear is what the hell the owners see in him, it clearly isnt football related.

Our form is so bad it is hard to imagine a caretaker manager for the last few games could do worse. I believe luck evens out over a season, so hopefully in our remaining games we will have an opponent set off, so for once we can have a player advantage.

I tried to work out just how much of a mess are we in, by looking at the remaining fixtures of the bottom 7 teams, to see who had the easiest/ hardest fixtures, to see if a final table could be roughly predicted. But at this stage of the season it is so unpredictable, Chippenham and Hampton somehow have managed to win 4 in a row to pull away from trouble, which one could never have forecast, and the top 3 have each only won 2 of their last 5 games, so this is a weird time of the season, especially with teams having 2 games a week for weeks on end, which will stretch squads and produce odd results.

The bottom 7 have broadly similar sets of fixtures. The only thing that strikes as a clear difference is how many matches they play against bottom 7 sides, as these help us as one or both teams drop points. Here is that breakdown in descending order

Welling 1/9
Dulwich 4/8
Taunton 5/13
Cheshunt 2/8
Hungerford 3/9
Weymouth 3/9
Concord 3/13

That 1 match of ours is at home to Taunton on Tuesday, after which every other match we have is against higher teams. So an absolutely massive game to win, as when we lose to a higher team it is a nuisance, but lose to a lower team and they close the gap on us. So Dulwich and Taunton look in trouble with so many games with lower teams, and Concord and Taunton having 2 games a week pretty much for the rest of the season.

Someone mentioned 50 points should be enough for safety, but in recent seasons a point a match is enough for safety, so we would need 46 points this season to achieve that and hope it is enough. We are on 42 points, so 3 points for a win on Tuesday may turn out to be enough to keep us up, even if we then got 0 points in all the games after. For me at least it all revolves around the Taunton game, get nothing from that and I can see us eventually overtaken by enough teams below us to relegate us, a draw or a win for us stops Taunton closing the gap on us. The key thing is no red cards for us, we start games so well, but red cards shoot us in the foot. But I remember what we did against Maidstone last season in a key game, so know we can do that again on Tuesday if we avoid our mistakes. Soon to find if it ends a happy walk home on Tuesday or a quiet shocked oh fk walk home.

In no way should Warren Feeney be sacked. Our away record is good and we have chances in both Kent and London Senior cups. We are close to the points we need to stay up. A change could be a disaster this late in the season. Warren Feeney kept us in this league last season. Has everyone forgotten that? Every year we change manager and have a completely new squad. That hasn't work. We need continuity and stability. All managers must be given a chance to build their teams there is no overnight fix. It is impossible to go from just staying up to winning the league the following season. Warren won the league in Bulgaria in his last job. He has many football contacts and has secured some very good loan signings. Roberts, Powell, Lyons Foster and Gavin to name a few. You won't find another manager who is more passionate and cares so much. He is committed and wants to win as much as we do.

 

What if the majority get their way and Warren Feeney is sacked and a new manager comes in and he too struggles with yet another completely new squad. Do we sack him too and yet again start again. That is proven not to work. We have to nail our colours to one mask and stick with it. Look at Ferguson at Man. United and Arteta at Arsenal. Patience won the day. I am nailing my colours to the Warren Feeney mask. I 100% support him. He has given up a lot for Welling United. His family life in Northern Ireland. He could easily have said at the end of last season. I kept you up, job done. Thank and goodbye but he didn't he stayed with us, even though we lost our best player Dipo Akinyemi. He showed us loyalty, we owe it to Warren to show that loyal back. Have some faith. Support, cheer, encourage and stick together. United we stand, divided we fall. 

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In no way should Warren Feeney be sacked. Our away record is good and we have chances in both Kent and London Senior cups. We are close to the points we need to stay up. A change could be a disaster this late in the season. Warren Feeney kept us in this league last season. Has everyone forgotten that? Every year we change manager and have a completely new squad. That hasn't work. We need continuity and stability. All managers must be given a chance to build their teams there is no overnight fix. It is impossible to go from just staying up to winning the league the following season. Warren won the league in Bulgaria in his last job. He has many football contacts and has secured some very good loan signings. Roberts, Powell, Lyons Foster and Gavin to name a few. You won't find another manager who is more passionate and cares so much. He is committed and wants to win as much as we do.

 

What if the majority get their way and Warren Feeney is sacked and a new manager comes in and he too struggles with yet another completely new squad. Do we sack him too and yet again start again. That is proven not to work. We have to nail our colours to one mask and stick with it. Look at Ferguson at Man. United and Arteta at Arsenal. Patience won the day. I am nailing my colours to the Warren Feeney mask. I 100% support him. He has given up a lot for Welling United. His family life in Northern Ireland. He could easily have said at the end of last season. I kept you up, job done. Thank and goodbye but he didn't he stayed with us, even though we lost our best player Dipo Akinyemi. He showed us loyalty, we owe it to Warren to show that loyal back. Have some faith. Support, cheer, encourage and stick together. United we stand, divided we fall. 

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 Over the past 25 games - so roughly half a season - we have picked up 24 points, that's the joint worst return of any team in the league. We've won 4 times at home this season and only once since New Year, that is not down to the atmosphere at PVR, it is because the players aren't good enough and the tactics are s***. I'm all for giving managers time when they deserve it. Warren won three games last season to keep us up and I am very grateful to him for that, however, that does not give him a free pass to send us down this season! We have a very, very tough run-in with only Taunton being in the bottom 7. We don't need too many more points to stay up but lose on Tuesday and I can't see us winning any of our remaining fixtures. WF has been given the biggest budget of any manager in the history of the club and as much as he likes to bang on about progress, we are still in a relegation fight and still playing anti-football except this time we are paying a fortune for the pleasure! If this season's performance is used as justification for giving him a new contract then I will no longer have faith in the board to run this club competently and will not renew my season ticket - and I'm not the only one who thinks like this. 

Steve King was given the biggest budget and yes it was the best team I've seen in my time but ultimately we failed and stayed in National league South. Last year was horrible but we stayed in National league South. I think a change with 9 games to go is too dangerous. Yes I agree we need to win at home to Taunton but I really believe just 9 more points. I think Bath, Eastbourne and Hampton at home are winnable too and maybe Ebbsfleet because like Maidstone last year they may be champions by then and coasting. Chippenham and Dover away I think are winnable. Please support the team inspire them and let's have the debate afterwards