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Talking about the same issues week in week out. Disciplinary record, inability to score, ****e football.

Manager won't go. It's implied by the lack of action or testimony about the situation from the club. Also the meet the manager meeting was around time the feeney fans concern started to become more vocal and you saw the reaction and trust the process bull**** that was spat out then.

Something in the background keeping him in a job whether that is the USA academy stuff or other financial vested interest because the current situational to continue in this vein stinks.

I think we'll stay up probably bore through a couple of draws and perhaps a win but feel exsarsperated by thought of another season with feeney at the helm

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Talking about the same issues week in week out. Disciplinary record, inability to score, ****e football.

Manager won't go. It's implied by the lack of action or testimony about the situation from the club. Also the meet the manager meeting was around time the feeney fans concern started to become more vocal and you saw the reaction and trust the process bull**** that was spat out then.

Something in the background keeping him in a job whether that is the USA academy stuff or other financial vested interest because the current situational to continue in this vein stinks.

I think we'll stay up probably bore through a couple of draws and perhaps a win but feel exsarsperated by thought of another season with feeney at the helm

 And I can't believe talking about survival now



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Another defeat and now very worrying.  Still not creating enough chances but who knows if we have had eleven on the pitch what would have happened.  Thought Payne played well and was a bit unlucky with the card he got. The red looked harsh at the time but was told it was accurate afterwards from those who had a better view/video.  Once again I thought the ref was poor, taking the red out of the equation he was quite happy to be mouthed by their number 3 and 4 and no yellows, yet Lisbie got one after questioning the Kassarate red.  Kicking the ball away, number 3 afters with Payne, blatant corner given as a goal kick, possible red for a clattering challenge end of the first half - maybe didn't affect the result but I don't want to be on message boards calling the ref out. Just want a bit of fairness so there's no doubt the result is unaffected. Massive games coming up before a tough run in - we need points this week.  



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We are where we are. Instead of complaining support the team, the manager and the management. Stop the toxic atmosphere at PVR cheer and encourage the team and we might 3 points at home matches. We have only lost 5 games in the league on the road. 3 more wins from 9 remaining games and we are safe. It is time for everyone to stick together. Everyone wants the team to win. No one is deliberately trying to fail.  



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 Well said Alan



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Alan wrote:

We are where we are. Instead of complaining support the team, the manager and the management. Stop the toxic atmosphere at PVR cheer and encourage the team and we might 3 points at home matches. We have only lost 5 games in the league on the road. 3 more wins from 9 remaining games and we are safe. It is time for everyone to stick together. Everyone wants the team to win. No one is deliberately trying to fail.  

 Nobody ever deliberately sets out to fail though do they?  If that was the chief criteria for sacking managers then nobody would ever get sacked! Nobody ever wakes up in the morning and thinks "do you know what......I fancy making a right mess of everything today just for ****s and giggles". At a certain level of employment comes pressure and people are right to expect a certain level of competence. If the people managing your pension fund lost you money every year, I doubt you'd say "oh well, we are where we are. They are doing their best". Likewise I expect most MPs come into work every day trying to do their best work but if they let their constituents down we'd be quick to vote them off

Fans have got the right to express their opinions - providing it is respectful - and what most of us can see is absolutely awful football, terrible indiscipline resulting in a record number of red cards and a one way slide down the table. Singing the company song in blind faith to the manager won't help things either. If you want 1,000+ paying punters through the door every week you need to win them over - and employing a manager who has spent most of his time sneering at them and taking cheap shots isn't the way to go about it. If Feeney's allowed a free hit to talk about supporters how he likes, then we sure as hell are allowed to express how we feel towards him

 



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It's all well and good saying just cheer, but we're football fans with opinions who care about this club. If more people spoke their minds and stopped telling the manager he's doing a great job when he's not then he might not be so deluded. I'll get behind the team when they do something to get behind them for. It helps nobody just pretending everything is ok when we're in this perilous position. If there's challenges, which I keep reading on Twitter there is, then come out and tell us what they are. Unless you want to share those challenges, then you're going to be judged on what fans are aware of and at the moment it is not working. Feeney was handed a generous budget and is failing as I was under the impression that his target was to avoid being in a relegation battle. Forgetting the brand of football, he should have stamped out this issue with discipline long ago. people can make excuses each week and say players are unlucky, but other teams don't have a problem of this scale, so who does it come back to? It might help him get results, if he had a full squad to choose from each week...

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Treacle wrote:
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We are where we are. Instead of complaining support the team, the manager and the management. Stop the toxic atmosphere at PVR cheer and encourage the team and we might 3 points at home matches. We have only lost 5 games in the league on the road. 3 more wins from 9 remaining games and we are safe. It is time for everyone to stick together. Everyone wants the team to win. No one is deliberately trying to fail.  

 Nobody ever deliberately sets out to fail though do they?  If that was the chief criteria for sacking managers then nobody would ever get sacked! Nobody ever wakes up in the morning and thinks "do you know what......I fancy making a right mess of everything today just for ****s and giggles". At a certain level of employment comes pressure and people are right to expect a certain level of competence. If the people managing your pension fund lost you money every year, I doubt you'd say "oh well, we are where we are. They are doing their best". Likewise I expect most MPs come into work every day trying to do their best work but if they let their constituents down we'd be quick to vote them off

Fans have got the right to express their opinions - providing it is respectful - and what most of us can see is absolutely awful football, terrible indiscipline resulting in a record number of red cards and a one way slide down the table. Singing the company song in blind faith to the manager won't help things either. If you want 1,000+ paying punters through the door every week you need to win them over - and employing a manager who has spent most of his time sneering at them and taking cheap shots isn't the way to go about it. If Feeney's allowed a free hit to talk about supporters how he likes, then we sure as hell are allowed to express how we feel towards him

 

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I am pretty worried about the situation we are in.

As Alan said, 3 wins in 9 games would keep us save, but someone behind the goal said the same to me on Saturday after the game. My response was that we've lost to the bottom and second bottom side in the space of 7 days. Scored just 2 goals in 7 league games and won just 6 games in the last 30.

I'm hoping you're right Alan but after the last 2 league games I'm not bloody confident. Tomorrow night is a must win of all must wins.

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I am not saying I'm right and you are wrong but everyone agrees we really need to win tomorrow and surely the best way to do that is to stick together, make a lot of noise in a positive way, give the players confidence and encourage them. Nothing is going to chance by tomorrow so let's be the 12th man. I have seen some good performances on the road at Aldershot, Hemel Hempstead, Bath and Ebbsfleet twice to name a few but only one at home Oxford City. Everyone is entitled to their view and voice I 100% agree that. I think Warren Feeney is a good manager I know a lot of you don't but right now it's what we have so let's stay positive and stick together and have an inquest later. To answer another point which illustrates what I'm trying to say is we have a Tory government some of us may be be conservative and some labour voters but we all want the economy to improve so for 2 years we all want the tories to do well don't we?

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This is the reality of it, last 25 games. But we have been to some tough places.......



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I watched the highlight of the Weymouth game, and it looked a definite penalty from Amadou.

One of the weird things about following Welling is amazing success is actually tantalisingly possible, as I know it is theoretical, but five promotions, and we are in the Premiership.

And with roughly 25 teams a division, being in the 6th division we are one of the top 150 clubs in the country.

So then the odd thing is we would be expected to have one of the top 150 managers in the country.

But the important point is we are much higher up the football ladder than nearly every other club in the country.

I was thinking about Welling, how our strengths are also some of our weaknesses. The fans are so patient, bottom 2 for the last two seasons, and underperforming for 25 games now, but one would hardly know it from the odd bit of booing. But that strength of the niceness of the fans may be a weakness as it lets these underperforming things go on for far too long, a more demanding fan base and board would have made a managerial change ages ago. It is all about ambitions of a club, with Chelsea and Abramovich, come second in the league and you are sacked, as second is not good enough for those owners standards. Our owners seems to have no standards, win 5 league games in 6 months and the club tells the fans to keep supporting the manager.

Any of the bottom 10 could go down, from Hampton down, as this is a mad league, where teams have unexpected win or loss streaks of 4 games. As long as we actually keep 11 players on the pitch, I think we can stay afloat, as our attacking shape has improved so much recently, we already defend as a team, now finally we are starting to attack as a team.

Alan, you have won the 2023 award as the most reasonable and forgiving Welling fan! Can I borrow your rose tinted glasses?!

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 five promotions, and we are in the Premiership

I absolutely love this



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Weekend in Newcastle for 2027/2028 season is something to look forward to...

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Jamison, think bigger, we'll be in the Champion's League within a few years, mark my words...

Years ago one of my teams played some away games in a football pitch on one corner of Avery Hill Park, until they had a fire in the clubhouse, and then matches stopped being played there as the pitches fell into disrepair. A goal is still there, as an echo of what the area used to be.

I live in that area, and recently walking down a path that leads from the main road to Avery Hill Park I saw it was called Butterfly Lane, and remembered that was where Welling played for 15 years before moving to VPR. So accidentally realised the Welling history there.

So having seen those humble roots of the club shows one just can't foretell where one will end up, as VPR is miles ahead of Butterfly Lane's two pitches with a small shared clubhouse. And as Doswell said, we are in a heavily populated area, so massive crowd potential. Dorking Wanderers have had 13 promotions in their 24 years, so maybe it could take us more than 5 years to stake our place in the Premiership, but it is all possible.

By the time we make the Premiership Haaland will be in his prime, so I guess he will do for us in attack, well, assuming our new manager Mourinho picks him... but first, let's beat Taunton!

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Jamison, think bigger, we'll be in the Champion's League within a few years, mark my words...

Years ago one of my teams played some away games in a football pitch on one corner of Avery Hill Park, until they had a fire in the clubhouse, and then matches stopped being played there as the pitches fell into disrepair. A goal is still there, as an echo of what the area used to be.

I live in that area, and recently walking down a path that leads from the main road to Avery Hill Park I saw it was called Butterfly Lane, and remembered that was where Welling played for 15 years before moving to VPR. So accidentally realised the Welling history there.

So having seen those humble roots of the club shows one just can't foretell where one will end up, as VPR is miles ahead of Butterfly Lane's two pitches with a small shared clubhouse. And as Doswell said, we are in a heavily populated area, so massive crowd potential. Dorking Wanderers have had 13 promotions in their 24 years, so maybe it could take us more than 5 years to stake our place in the Premiership, but it is all possible.

By the time we make the Premiership Haaland will be in his prime, so I guess he will do for us in attack, well, assuming our new manager Mourinho picks him... but first, let's beat Taunton!

 3 pints at VPR tomorrow would be a boost.



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I will take that award as reasonable and forgiving as that's how I want to live my life and it's the human being I strive to be. People flourish when they are supported, encouraged and loved

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Danson Mark wrote:
Johnny Hartley wrote:

Jamison, think bigger, we'll be in the Champion's League within a few years, mark my words...

Years ago one of my teams played some away games in a football pitch on one corner of Avery Hill Park, until they had a fire in the clubhouse, and then matches stopped being played there as the pitches fell into disrepair. A goal is still there, as an echo of what the area used to be.

I live in that area, and recently walking down a path that leads from the main road to Avery Hill Park I saw it was called Butterfly Lane, and remembered that was where Welling played for 15 years before moving to VPR. So accidentally realised the Welling history there.

So having seen those humble roots of the club shows one just can't foretell where one will end up, as VPR is miles ahead of Butterfly Lane's two pitches with a small shared clubhouse. And as Doswell said, we are in a heavily populated area, so massive crowd potential. Dorking Wanderers have had 13 promotions in their 24 years, so maybe it could take us more than 5 years to stake our place in the Premiership, but it is all possible.

By the time we make the Premiership Haaland will be in his prime, so I guess he will do for us in attack, well, assuming our new manager Mourinho picks him... but first, let's beat Taunton!

 3 pints at VPR tomorrow would be a boost.

 I get it



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Jamison, think bigger, we'll be in the Champion's League within a few years, mark my words...

 Yea but I done all the grounds I wanted to around Europe before my eldest was born, never been Newcastle though...

But then I ain't even been to Potters bar so I look forward to that next season! 

 

 



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I am not saying I'm right and you are wrong but everyone agrees we really need to win tomorrow and surely the best way to do that is to stick together, make a lot of noise in a positive way, give the players confidence and encourage them. Nothing is going to chance by tomorrow so let's be the 12th man. I have seen some good performances on the road at Aldershot, Hemel Hempstead, Bath and Ebbsfleet twice to name a few but only one at home Oxford City. Everyone is entitled to their view and voice I 100% agree that. I think Warren Feeney is a good manager I know a lot of you don't but right now it's what we have so let's stay positive and stick together and have an inquest later. To answer another point which illustrates what I'm trying to say is we have a Tory government some of us may be be conservative and some labour voters but we all want the economy to improve so for 2 years we all want the tories to do well don't we?

 Out of interest why do you think he is a good manager?  



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I think Warren is a good manager because he a formed a good relationship with this group of players despite not signing most of them. He is dedicated and passionate. He will always take take to explain what he is doing and why. He has tremendous contacts in the game has made some excellent loan signings is trying to improve the team and the club. Realises he can't do it overnight but works endlessly looking at players and matches to improve the club moving forward. He thinks the style of play is best suited to this group of players. He has played at a high level. Won a championship in Bulgaria. Offers Welling a chance of stability. Saved us from relegation last season and deserves the time to put his plan for the future in place. At least this one whole season. I think he is fully committed to Welling United and should be given every opportunity to help our club which he wants as much as we do. 



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Jamison, think bigger, we'll be in the Champion's League within a few years, mark my words...


 yes, I have finally got it! Mr Hartley, do you play a guitar and sing in a rock band? You are the charlton owner, Thomas Sandgaard in disguise aren't you? When he took charlton over in September 2020, "Asked what his objectives for Charlton were, he replied: Three to five years, Premier League..." I now understand how you are similarly deluded. no



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Bexleylion, it is a shame there isnt a "slag off Johnny Hartley" thread, as you could then spend your spare time pointlessly posting on it.

It is not deluded to say we could end up in the Premiership, if you had bothered to think about what I was saying you would see I was saying it is a possibility, not likely, but a possibility. All the teams up there didnt start off there, but have gradually progressed towards it. And a decent club and fans are ambitious.

I have seen Sunday matches played in Avery Hill and wondered who the teams were, found out one was Avery Hill Wanderers (or whatever they were called) looked them up and found they play in the Woolwich League, which is god knows how far down the league pyramid, no fans, no ground, no money... maybe 25 levels down the pyramid.

Whereas we have a ground, a well funded team, a strong fanbase, have massive potential and (like all the other teams in our league) are just 5 promotions away from the Premiership. I believe the club has development plans, so it will be good to find out what those are in due course. So theoretically, we could beat Charlton to the Premiership, or they could have relegations and we could end up playing them in non league football, anything in football is possible. Even James Dunne scoring for us.



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...To answer another point which illustrates what I'm trying to say is we have a Tory government some of us may be be conservative and some labour voters but we all want the economy to improve so for 2 years we all want the tories to do well don't we?

 Agree with everyone wanting Welling to do well, and the same for the country. However, if I don't like a Tory government for whatever reason, I'm not really going to get behind their ideas and policies am I and I'm still going to want them out as soon as possible!



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I think Warren is a good manager because he a formed a good relationship with this group of players despite not signing most of them. He is dedicated and passionate. He will always take take to explain what he is doing and why. He has tremendous contacts in the game has made some excellent loan signings is trying to improve the team and the club. Realises he can't do it overnight but works endlessly looking at players and matches to improve the club moving forward. He thinks the style of play is best suited to this group of players. He has played at a high level. Won a championship in Bulgaria. Offers Welling a chance of stability. Saved us from relegation last season and deserves the time to put his plan for the future in place. At least this one whole season. I think he is fully committed to Welling United and should be given every opportunity to help our club which he wants as much as we do. 

 Fair play

Imo the results, performances as well as his profile with fans through social media and the like suggest otherwise.

I personally don't think he is humble enough to reflect the traits you feel are present.

His overall managerial record isn't fantastic and you'd have to wonder why other perhaps better jobs haven't come his way despite his Bulgarian triumph.  

But hey game of opinions.  Time will tell.  That's see if he does make a different, independent stamp on the team next season.

 



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