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It is asked of me how can it get any worse? The answer relegation.

Yes, I think Warren Feeney is the man for the job, as we all did at the end of last season. I haven't hidden that fact. Let's park that for a moment though because that isn't the point I've been trying to make.

This is my point. Regardless of who the manager is we should support the 11 eleven players for the entirety of the match because we need to encourage them to be the best they can. Especially players having a bad game. Try to lift them even if you don't rate them.

I think peaceful non violent protests at the final whistle are acceptable as too are boycotting games because fan points and views should be taken into account and nothing speaks volumes like falling attendances.

I have called for the club, Warren Feeney and WUSA to make statements on my facebook page because I think communication is good and fighting bad. I want them to share their thoughts and views and explain their vision of what the future looks like for Welling United.
The pre-season view of mid table was sensible, realistic and truthful. No way is the club ready for the National League we could lose every single game. But neither should we be in a relegation dogfight.

Now if we agree relegation is the worst thing then my view is we have a pretty strong defence and Adeez is scoring goals, Maloney is creative and we are only losing narrowly. These are fine margins so I think things can be tweaked to get us over the line. I know we have lost to poor teams but don't forget since Christmas we have beaten Tonbridge twice and won away at Chelmsford and Slough. Our away form is better so I believe somewhere we will get the points. I know you don't so and think under a new manager we would get the points. Honestly, I don't know for sure one way or the other if I'm right or you are. But do you know for sure either?

Asked when I would change a manager my answer would be at the end of a season or at the very worst around Christmas/January. My ideal is a 3 year cycle. Fix, stabilise, achieve. At the end of the season I think we should have a reset and decide who is the right person to manage the club. I also think there is a wider choice of managers during the summer.

Warren Feeney or a new manager in the last 8 games what I really want to see is everyone cheering the team to get the points we need to stay up. Once that is achieved then debate what next. Playing in such a toxic atmosphere must be difficult for the players and it surely can't be helping them to play well and win games.

I repeat what i said before, give the fans something to cheer and we will all cheer.

 

Also where do you think the toxic atmosphere comes from? who sets the tone for that? Its not the fans.



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Alan wrote:

It is asked of me how can it get any worse? The answer relegation.

Yes, I think Warren Feeney is the man for the job, as we all did at the end of last season. I haven't hidden that fact. Let's park that for a moment though because that isn't the point I've been trying to make.

This is my point. Regardless of who the manager is we should support the 11 eleven players for the entirety of the match because we need to encourage them to be the best they can. Especially players having a bad game. Try to lift them even if you don't rate them.

I think peaceful non violent protests at the final whistle are acceptable as too are boycotting games because fan points and views should be taken into account and nothing speaks volumes like falling attendances.

I have called for the club, Warren Feeney and WUSA to make statements on my facebook page because I think communication is good and fighting bad. I want them to share their thoughts and views and explain their vision of what the future looks like for Welling United.
The pre-season view of mid table was sensible, realistic and truthful. No way is the club ready for the National League we could lose every single game. But neither should we be in a relegation dogfight.

Now if we agree relegation is the worst thing then my view is we have a pretty strong defence and Adeez is scoring goals, Maloney is creative and we are only losing narrowly. These are fine margins so I think things can be tweaked to get us over the line. I know we have lost to poor teams but don't forget since Christmas we have beaten Tonbridge twice and won away at Chelmsford and Slough. Our away form is better so I believe somewhere we will get the points. I know you don't so and think under a new manager we would get the points. Honestly, I don't know for sure one way or the other if I'm right or you are. But do you know for sure either?

Asked when I would change a manager my answer would be at the end of a season or at the very worst around Christmas/January. My ideal is a 3 year cycle. Fix, stabilise, achieve. At the end of the season I think we should have a reset and decide who is the right person to manage the club. I also think there is a wider choice of managers during the summer.

Warren Feeney or a new manager in the last 8 games what I really want to see is everyone cheering the team to get the points we need to stay up. Once that is achieved then debate what next. Playing in such a toxic atmosphere must be difficult for the players and it surely can't be helping them to play well and win games.

 Alan - can I please borrow your rose-tinted glasses at the next game...?!?!

"Warren Feeney is the man for the job as we all did at the end of last season..."

Did we..?? Two people kept us up last season - Dipo Akinyemi and Jody Brown. Same as when Faz and his mates came in - it wasn't them that saved us but Alfreton being slightly more s**t than us. And look what happened there the following season...

"Azeez is scoring goals, Maloney is creative and we are only losing narrowly.."

The whole squad has scored precisely two goals in our last eight league games, Maloney is injured and that's why we are losing narrowly because the opposition are slightly less rubbish than us.

"My idea is a three year cycle...fix, stabilise and achieve..."

In your cycle this is our "fix" season so please enlighten me to what exactly has been fixed on the pitch this season..??

I do admire your unwavering support for the manager but I suspect that the vast majority of the fanbase disagree with you and, within reason, can voice their disapproval in whatever way they deem fit.



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Alan wrote:

Regardless of who the manager is we should support the 11 eleven players for the entirety of the match because we need to encourage them to be the best they can. Especially players having a bad game. Try to lift them even if you don't rate them.

 

I'm behind the majority of the players, and the ones I'm not I don't rant at during a game. However, how are we expected to do what you say, when our own manager doesn't? 



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Everyone is giving Alan **** but no one is giving the WUSA members who post on this board any ****.

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The WUSA members should be calling out Howard and Paul Whitehead about what they are doing and raising the issues that the fans have. In reality they appear to be supporting the status quo.

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Alan wrote:

It is asked of me how can it get any worse? The answer relegation.

Yes, I think Warren Feeney is the man for the job, as we all did at the end of last season. I haven't hidden that fact. Let's park that for a moment though because that isn't the point I've been trying to make.

This is my point. Regardless of who the manager is we should support the 11 eleven players for the entirety of the match because we need to encourage them to be the best they can. Especially players having a bad game. Try to lift them even if you don't rate them.

I think peaceful non violent protests at the final whistle are acceptable as too are boycotting games because fan points and views should be taken into account and nothing speaks volumes like falling attendances.

I have called for the club, Warren Feeney and WUSA to make statements on my facebook page because I think communication is good and fighting bad. I want them to share their thoughts and views and explain their vision of what the future looks like for Welling United.
The pre-season view of mid table was sensible, realistic and truthful. No way is the club ready for the National League we could lose every single game. But neither should we be in a relegation dogfight.

Now if we agree relegation is the worst thing then my view is we have a pretty strong defence and Adeez is scoring goals, Maloney is creative and we are only losing narrowly. These are fine margins so I think things can be tweaked to get us over the line. I know we have lost to poor teams but don't forget since Christmas we have beaten Tonbridge twice and won away at Chelmsford and Slough. Our away form is better so I believe somewhere we will get the points. I know you don't so and think under a new manager we would get the points. Honestly, I don't know for sure one way or the other if I'm right or you are. But do you know for sure either?

Asked when I would change a manager my answer would be at the end of a season or at the very worst around Christmas/January. My ideal is a 3 year cycle. Fix, stabilise, achieve. At the end of the season I think we should have a reset and decide who is the right person to manage the club. I also think there is a wider choice of managers during the summer.

Warren Feeney or a new manager in the last 8 games what I really want to see is everyone cheering the team to get the points we need to stay up. Once that is achieved then debate what next. Playing in such a toxic atmosphere must be difficult for the players and it surely can't be helping them to play well and win games.

 Alan - can I please borrow your rose-tinted glasses at the next game...?!?!

"Warren Feeney is the man for the job as we all did at the end of last season..."

Did we..?? Two people kept us up last season - Dipo Akinyemi and Jody Brown. Same as when Faz and his mates came in - it wasn't them that saved us but Alfreton being slightly more s**t than us. And look what happened there the following season...

"Azeez is scoring goals, Maloney is creative and we are only losing narrowly.."

The whole squad has scored precisely two goals in our last eight league games, Maloney is injured and that's why we are losing narrowly because the opposition are slightly less rubbish than us.

"My idea is a three year cycle...fix, stabilise and achieve..."

In your cycle this is our "fix" season so please enlighten me to what exactly has been fixed on the pitch this season..??

I do admire your unwavering support for the manager but I suspect that the vast majority of the fanbase disagree with you and, within reason, can voice their disapproval in whatever way they deem fit.

 Good post. 

I don't think People are giving Alan **** just debating the opinions  he is rightfully entitled to.

 

Agree re Wusa.  As I have said it isn't truly independent of club so won't step outside the boundary or rock the apple cart.  



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The WUSA members should be calling out Howard and Paul Whitehead about what they are doing and raising the issues that the fans have. In reality they appear to be supporting the status quo.

 I don't think Paul whitehead is silly.  I think he sees it similar to everyone else.  My understanding however and could be wrong he isn't listed as an owner on companies House and therefore probably does not have within his gift hire and fire capability 



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Wusa does not have the purpose it set out for. Its now worth a discount in the bar and shop, a quiz once a month and a coach maybe twice a year.
If you're lucky enough to have the spare time you'll also do some free labour for the club.


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Im no advocate of WUSA and never have been to be honest BUT I know a lot of guys who are members and help run it and they do have the best interests of the club at heart. The truth is though that as an organisation WUSA has no power, it is toothless and has next to no sway with the powers that be that actually run the club.
For a long time now weve had, theyve had a supporters representative on the board but lets be honest its absolutely just for show, it has zero benefit to any supporters or wusa members.

To those calling out WUSA and their members to do something then tell me just what are they going to do??? They have no real voice in the inner circles, the WUSA rep on the board is a friend of mine but he has no power or sway, if he caused ripples or a nuisance theyd get rid of him and we know it and so does he, it was an act of appeasement many many years ago from a previous regime to quieten down murmurings from disgruntled fans and to make it look like they have a voice when they never have and never will in that capacity.

A WUSA rep on the board in theory should be banging the drum for the average Joe supporter, should be questioning the board on improvements and getting things done and insisting the club act in the best interests of all supporters though this just doesnt happen does it??? Since WUSA have had representation on the board it has coincided with the year on year neglect of the ground, our facilities decaying away until parts of the ground are closed down or shut off unless they can make use of the fans by organising a voluntary work force to do a bit of labouring.which I find scandalous.

Truth is every supporter can make their voice heard or their disgruntlement known regarding whats happening to our club you dont have to be a member of WUSA to do that, if you want to be them thats fine too whatever you like.
Personally I vote with my feet alongside a lot of other supporters I know who like me are Welling United supporters of 30 years plus.
The football this year is atrocious, as bad as Ive ever seen at Welling, it is boring, dire, aimless dross with a group of players on the whole who have shocking attitudes and have delusions regarding how good they think they are. Pair that up with watching that crap in an absolute hovel of a ground with embarrassing, no ..insulting facilities that are actually worse now than when I first went as a kid in 1989 then it hasnt been difficult to turn away and go and do something else for pleasure on a Saturday afternoon.



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There is a saying I love, as it has so much truth, "Been married six times, maybe the problem is you". ie, in case one doesn't get it, instead of always blaming other people, maybe one has created the problems one blames on others.

We have a situation where the manager and the board of 4 or 5 think the manager is worth keeping on. Yet hundreds of other people totally disagree. Now I suppose it is faintly possible the hundreds of people could all be wrong, and the manager and board could be right, but then one comes back to what this game is all about, results, and you can't get away from them, they are dreadful, for the past 6 months we have had the worst form in the league, and any sensible club would have made a change months ago instead of burying their heads in the sand hoping the problems get solved.

A massive problem that no one addresses is that the manager always lies to cover up his failures. He said the other day in an interview he has got teams out of relegation trouble. But that is crap, he kept us up getting 11 points out of a possible 30, but has never kept anyone else up, quite the opposite, he gets his teams into the relegation zone, and is then sacked, he doesn't come in to rescue. If he keeps lying, I will keep calling him out on his lies. The great value of this club is honesty, Alan bewilders me, but fair play to him, he says what he believes, so do all the fans here, it is sad the board are silent, sad the manager lies, I wish they were as honest as the rest of the club.

I recently talked to a player and asked what he thought we needed to do to improve, as I was just interested in how the players see things, as after all, they are the ones playing the games, so they can make the most impact along with the manager (who has already been showing for months he doesn't have a clue). To be honest, I was disappointed with the reply, which was that we had lots of bad luck, and needed a couple of new players. I was disappointed as that didnt show much insight into our weaknesses, and seemed to be passing the buck, as it is the players who got us into this mess, so it is the players who have to get us out. Since then our captain has given a great interview that shows he (and hopefully the whole team) understand it is up to them to fix things and what needs to be fixed.

We stayed up by 2 points last season, just one win that ended a draw instead would have seen us down. In that Maidstone game last season our keeper fumbled the ball on the line, but the ref didnt award a goal, so we won 3 - 2 instead of drawing 3 - 3 and then going down. I swear that went over the line, so we were damned lucky to stay up. Since then we have the worst owners, combined with the worst manager, with that handicap what else can anyone expect but failure?

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Maybe it is time for WUSA to withdraw from the board and from all the labour that they provide and leave the owners to get on with it.

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Perhaps it is time for all supporters including season ticket holders to boycott home games.

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Maybe it is time for WUSA to withdraw from the board and from all the labour that they provide and leave the owners to get on with it.

 Completely agree, someone who I know helps out said just the other week "if I didn't do it, it wouldn't get done". Well I'd leave it at the wouldn't get done stage and see what the club actually do about things.



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The WUSA members should be calling out Howard and Paul Whitehead about what they are doing and raising the issues that the fans have. In reality they appear to be supporting the status quo.

 The only real benefit of WUSA which Ive had is 50p off each pint lol. It would be greatly beneficial for the issues to be called out by WUSA but I cant see it happening.



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I'm not trying to knock people who give their Time or try to.raise money etc. Wusa is more a club membership opposed to supporters club.

Even if it were more independent I don't expect it to have power to make decisions but influence yes. In this scenario something along the lines of an open letter representing views of members/ fans asking questions of the club.

In respect of the board position what's the point if that post won't challenge or add value. Surely respect comes with integrity.

Reading in-between lines of George Alex going suggests as as been evident for a while players aren't playing for feeney and his lost dressing room.



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They can call out whoever they liketheyll get a curt F Off in response Id expect, nothing will change because WUSA ask for or demand change..but they wont say anything anyway because they have no spokesperson, nobody who will stand up and tell it like it really is.

During Goldbergs disastrous reign people were reluctant to speak out, theyd defend him to the hilt, speak up for him and relay messages from MG himself promising all was well and everything was improving and that we should trust the process. It was ridiculous, almost reminiscent of Chemical Ali as the Allies tanks came thundering into Baghdad past the windows behind him.

Soon as he left and the new took over it was straight out of one bumhole and into a new one fresh with the new spin, the new bull**** and the new empty promises..more interested in their own positions, brown nosing yes men telling the new owners whatever they wanted to hear. All of a sudden I was right all along about MG but this time its going to be different. Well by October I could tell that it wasnt going to be, that next to nothing had changed and some things were probably even worse.


How do you expect anything to be different when the make up of the decision makers are the same naive, gullible, ass licking lot from when Goldberg ground the club into near oblivion, Ive said for years and years that it going to end in tears, in ruin, in tatters and it'll be built again from scratch as a Phoenix club and if thats what it takes to get our club back, my club back then so be it.



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Every cloud has a silver lining, the quality of the post match entertainment has never been higher!

Who knows what Jayke the boyfriend of the daughter of the owner has up his sleeve for Saturday?! Or, as importantly, what he has on his feet.

And the PVR Choir have passed the audition, and are through to the next round!

The poor opposition will be thinking, wtf, we thought we were here for a football match...

But as long as we stop filming on the final whistle we'll be fine.

Blimey, it sounds like we didn't have these dramas with the Hobbins.

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All the comments about WUSA...what authority would individual members or officers have to make any statement purporting to be on behalf of the association. Surely it would require a resolution passed at a quorate meeting and I'm guessing that would be difficult to achieve. Otherwise it's just another person expressing their individual opinion.



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What I would like to know, and I have no desire to get involved beyond the terraces, what is WUSA's stand in this current situation? Don't they have a representative on the board too? Does WUSA still even exist? (last entry in their privileged forum was 10th November???) Like the owners the lack of noise coming from WUSA ranks is deafening!

 I asked the question about WUSA, thanks to those who have gone some way in their postings to enlighten me.

50p off a pint, (if there is one available to your liking) appears the only supporter benefit. No clout with the owners so you need to buy 20 pints to get your subscription back!

Seems the whole concept and purpose of WUSA needs renegotiating with members, (if there are any apart from 50p head?) and then the owners of the club.



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Now if we agree relegation is the worst thing then my view is we have a pretty strong defence and Adeez is scoring goals, Maloney is creative and we are only losing narrowly. These are fine margins so I think things can be tweaked to get us over the line. I know we have lost to poor teams but don't forget since Christmas we have beaten Tonbridge twice and won away at Chelmsford and Slough. Our away form is better so I believe somewhere we will get the points. I know you don't so and think under a new manager we would get the points. Honestly, I don't know for sure one way or the other if I'm right or you are. But do you know for sure either?

 Alan, you have very much maximised your "since Christmas" stats when two of our four wins came within one week of Christmas! Four wins since Christmas sounds poor but so much better than two wins since New Years Day?



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The toxic atmosphere is caused by both sides. The club won't commit and reassure or explain. They should. Us the supporters are vocally critical at the wrong times it shouldn't be during a match. I bet the away team love we are a divided club.

Why should we cheer? Because even if there is nothing to cheer it creates s better atmosphere for our players and motivates them to give us something to cheer fingers crossed. It might even intimidate the opposition.

Why should we bother to support individual players when the manager doesn't? It shouldn't be if he won't then I won't, rather it should be this my club and I love it. I was here before you came and I will be here when you've gone. Demonstrate how much we care in a positive way. Be the 12th man it could make a difference to whether we stay up or not. Managers, players even owners come and go but for the vast majority of fans their club is a lifelong affiliation and the club is in their blood.

No matter who's side you are on, the managers position won't change until the owners decide what they want to do. So in the meantime I echo Polo's view get behind the team on Saturday. It is all we can do at present.

On a separate note I was asked where I see the fix? My answer is we are better off than we were this time last year and at the end of the season I would ask have we improved on last season? That is the point at which the question should be asked should we stick with what we have or make a change. Ultimately though it won't be the For Warren Feeney minority or the Against Warren Feeney majority who decide. It will be the owners. Perhaps our actions in not attending games or demanding for the manager to be sacked may influence their decision. Once we know then we all have the right to decide what we want to do personally next season.

Me, all I really want is not to change managers and the whole team every season. It just feels like we keep going back to square one. If we have a new manager next season I hope he is still the manager the season after next. I would like to have a core of players that remain at the end of the season be that this season or next if we start again. Keep the best players and add to them to continually build a stronger team every season. The team Steve King had was good I felt and because we only missed out on promotion by 1 goal in the play-off final I thought great bring in a few new players to strengthen and next year could be our season. Maybe, the club couldn't afford it but Steve King left and the team dismantled and worse a lot of them ending up at Dartford and we started again. I have read about players that played X number of games for the club and become legends. I would like to see that.

In my case whatever happens. Something I want, something I don't. National League South or Isthmian Premier league I will remain supporting Welling United because it's the club I love and the place I choose to watch my football. Many of you have become my friends over the nearly 8 years I've been attending matches and I'm pleased about that and proud to know you guys. That is why it makes me sad to see us fighting each other. Of course, have debates and different opinions. Be boring if everyone thought the same but to physically fight each other, especially over football, that's just plain daft.

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I agree with bexleylion that WUSA could expand its role. Its benefits are it offers a discount on bar drinks and on coach travel to away matches, but as I don't drink much at the ground and don't go to way matches while Warren is managing there is no incentive for me to join WUSA, and maybe not for quite a few others.

I know it has a member on the board, so it has that benefit. But even that runs the risk of the board member becoming institutionalised and end up representing the board, rather than the views of fans. For example it is clear that pretty much all fans apart from Alan want a change of manager, but WUSA has been publicly silent on this matter, and the only comment I can remember is Matt saying a month or so ago that we had to get behind the club, which by definition means one has to support the manager, and I don't think that view represents what fans think, as fans think the best way to support the club is to make changes that will help it, not stick with things that haven't worked for the past 6 months and show no sign of improvement.

I think WUSA having things like access to a training session, or once a month a different member having a talk with the team at a training session would make membership more attractive, and it would help the players get a cross section of fans views over the season. The meet the manager was great, it would be equally good to have a meet the board evening, as it would be handy to have an insight into lots of things that don't make sense.

I am a great believer in total football, where players have the ability to swap positions in a game. So Chi being an attacking defender is fine and it is typical of the narrowminded manager that he does not benefit from this attacking side to the player, and encourage him to go forward and for other players to cover him while he goes forward, as that is what other managers do. So as usual, instead of blaming others the manager should be having a look at himself, just as the players now will be doing with James Dunne's interview showing they are not Warren-like in trying to pass the buck onto someone else, but have identified what needs to change.

Daniel Nkrumah coming back for the rest of the season could be the change we need, Stefan's goals stopped months ago, apart from Ade and Taylor no one has looked likely to consistently score for us, but Daniel and Ade link up together really well, and Stefan dropping behind as a playmaker is a really good move, so we are finally able to consistently offer something different in attack, just a shame this was so late we have frittered away all the games against the lower teams, and now only have higher placed teams to play. But 4 points out of 24 points from 8 games may well be enough to keep us up, which is a win and a draw, or 4 draws. That is the theory, but getting them is the problem. But Daniel coming back, and James honest and realistic interview that we are in trouble, and him seeing what needs to be improved, actually gives some hope.



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...Daniel and Ade link up together really well, and Stefan dropping behind as a playmaker is a really good move, so we are finally able to consistently offer something different in attack...

 Although Payne is now suspended for 3 games!



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Well said Johnny 

 



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Respect all of the opinions above - if people choose to go or not is entirely up to them. If they want to back the manager then that's fine too - everyone has their own choice to make.

However, speaking from a position of experience, the only way that owners usually listen is when brand reputation starts damaging the business financially. Having followed Arsenal for years, people used to moan about managers, ticket prices, lack of investment and nothing ever changed. Keep getting 60,000 gates, keep being assured of a top 4 place every year, keep making millions and a few full time boos and moans are shrugged off. When people started not turning up in their thousands and the club dropped out of the CL and remained out of it years, the earnings dropped and lo and behold the investment returned, fans opinions on the stadium started to count and a whole new era and atmosphere started, rebuilding a relationship that had been fractuous for years.

On a different scale, the ownership at Welling would be thinking much the same - moan as much as you want, call the manager a few names, but keeping paying your money, buy a few beers and a burger and programme and why change? So all the while that happens, then in my opinion, nothing will ever change. I hear the arguments about "we were here before the owner/manager etc" and its a lame one that's often tripped out. Well I was too - 1986 to be precise was my first game and over the 36 and a bit years that have followed my degree of commitment has varied - often driven by personal circumstances, but also based upon what was happening at the club. I miss going at the moment but I also won't have my support abused or taken for granted.


For those who say we must support the club, I say this. If you'd been going to the same restaurant or hotel for 20 years and suddenly the owner changed, the food/rooms were crap, the manager wanted to fight you and no matter how much you complained nothing changed, then would you still be eating/staying there week after week, year after year

Support has to be earned - not expected. We don't have to get behind the club if its treating supporters badly.

If less than 200 people turned up on Non League Day of all days, that would be a far more effective message than any amount of booing or snide comments from the stands could ever achieve. The fact that nobody from inside the club has made any public statement about the events of the other night just proves that your support is abused and taken for granted. Withdraw it and see what happens then. You'd get a public statement first thing the next day



-- Edited by Treacle on Friday 24th of March 2023 01:14:18 PM



-- Edited by Treacle on Friday 24th of March 2023 01:14:57 PM

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Treacle's post is along some lines I have been thinking, that at the end of the day the Welling owners are supposed to be business men, running a business, that depends on attracting customers.

Having an abusive manager treating customers with contempt, saying they don't understand what they want, giving them the opposite of what they want, saying he does not listen to his customers and blocks them out as "noise", it is a crappy way to run a business, as it just drives customers away, as seen by ever worsening attendance figures. Just like the toxic fool spends the rest of his time slagging off his own players whenever anything goes wrong. As Warren sees it, everyone else is wrong, nothing wrong is ever his responsibility.

This determination to stick with the manager is a mystery, it is clearly no longer a football issue, 1 win in 12 games, and 5 wins in 27 games is form that can only be answered with dismissal, as there is no progress visible, nothing to suggest a new season with him would bring improvement, as he doesn't even understand what is going wrong now, so how can he fix something he doesn't understand, as, once again, results show managing a team is beyond him.

But what are the reasons he is being kept? I've wondered, as none of this makes sense and is so easily avoidable by changing the manager, is there some hidden dark business going on? Football attracts frauds. Is that what this is really all about, and nothing really to do with football? We got crowds of 1000, so takings will have doubled, now they are back to 500, so we have achieved nothing progressive financially this year, back to square one, though will have spent a lot more on the squad to get nowhere further, FA to show for it because of this manager. So why still here? It doesn't make any sense, unless the owners are so inexperienced they dont know they are being taken for a ride, that is the only other explanation I can see. Maybe Warren has fooled a board, but he hasn't fooled fans. Now it is all in the hands of players, that James Dunne interview, Daniel coming back on loan, changes needed for months. At least now after these changes there are reasons to have some confidence in remaining games.

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Johnny, is Alan your brother?

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Wallop, Alan is my star pupil, I am teaching him how to write short concise messages, as he has overtaken me as the longest poster!

Mind you, he wants Warren to stay for a three year plan, and three relegations in three years seems to heavy a price to pay for loyalty to the manager.



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Morning everyone Ive not attended for while main reason being is I said to those who watch games home and away with feeney not answer.
I stopped listening to his interviews blah blah blah.

Polo well done for all you work but mainly for resigning you dont need all the Wusa BS.

To the new owner cut your financial cloth accordingly dont go chasing a dream someone else might be trying to sell you.
If that means relegation and isthmian league football so be it plan ahead just in case so WUFC can bounce straight back.




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Johnny Hartley wrote:

Wallop, Alan is my star pupil, I am teaching him how to write short concise messages, as he has overtaken me as the longest poster!

Mind you, he wants Warren to stay for a three year plan, and three relegations in three years seems to heavy a price to pay for loyalty to the manager.

 Very good



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