From what I heard on the grapevine there are only two players one could confidently expect to stay with us next season, and I burst out laughing when I heard who they are, as one is good, the other isn't, and it is so funny that the pair of them combined don't equal a strong core of the squad we had talk of retaining for next season.

The squad we had in the just completed season was talented, in demand from other clubs, so would have been on high salaries. It is clear as the season went on funds got much tighter, and we started going for cheaper options. I expect the new season squad will be lower quality than last season, due to the lower budget. This is where the Titanic thing comes in, as a combination of toxic management, lowered attendances and income, resulting lower standard of players makes this a really worrying season ahead, in fact it has relegation written all over it, as we will have to rebuild yet again from virtually scratch, against much more settled experienced teams.

It is clear players dont like playing for Warren, hence the exodus, and people aren't exactly queuing up to work with him, hence having to resort to totally unqualified Jayke to give his totally unqualified instructions to the players in games, which will also drive players away as who needs to be shouted at by an unqualified guy who doesn't even know what he is shouting about.

Maybe one day the owner will wake up and realise Warren seems a nice guy, but lacks the character to be a successful team manager, as he won't retain players as they see right through him, so any team keeping him long term will always have to try to play catch up after having to rebuild each season to replace the exodus of players. A contrast to say, Havant, who have retained most of their players.

Still patiently wondering when Alan will break his silence and explain why the teams problems are the fans' fault.

Yep...I am really worried that we will recruit 'cheap' players...and we know what happens then....so we will also get Warrens...'It will take until October to gel'....which is waaaaaay too late

Crumbs from the floor we will be picking up

Hope I am wrong but.....

Chi leaving means management staying, unfortunately.

unfortunately Jamison, the cancer of football agents has spread throughout the football structure. Riddled top to bottom.

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I wonder how the owners feel, to have a team with no players, and disappearing fans.

At this rate next season will be Warren and Jayke sitting on an empty bench shouting contradictory instructions to each other, with an average match attendance of 1, called Alan!

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 Doesn't seem right coming on here without having a pop at JH about his lengths, so, well done JH, much improved!

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unfortunately Jamison, the cancer of football agents has spread throughout the football structure. Riddled top to bottom.

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 Indeed it is, but it seems more and more when looking back are saying "I wish I'd followed my path/instincts instead of what I was advised to do". So hopefully more will learn. 

I will be honest, I get worried that something is wrong when bexleylion isn't on my case! It is so weird, as we are all on the same side, but just show it in different ways, including more or less words. So not jumping on any bandwagons, but I wish Jamison and bexleylion would do shorter posts, down to my compact level!

OK, being serious, as joking aside, they are just like me and you, and I respect them for that, I may banter, but I respect them, as they are like me and you and want the best for this club.

It is one of those where do I start posts. Well, Warren isn't going anywhere, all this nonsense "other options" is nonsense, he is going nowhere, he has hit a lucky right time right place jackpot totally unconnected with football, complacency rules, no targets matter, he lives with the owner and Jayke, so they let him get on as he wants, so he lets them get on as they want, they all are happy as they have nobody pushing them to do ANYTHING other than not get relegated (and even then, they would stick together).

And once you understand that is the Welling way of world, all this nonsense of top quality players leaving and keeping the way below average manager who underperformed, 6 months of failure, nearly getting us relegated despite having one of the biggest budgets in the league, and totally unqualified guy screaming instructions that the players who actually understand football know are stupid, makes sense. They are in their stupid little bubble.

Any players with half a braincell have seen this all for themselves, and walked, or will walk, hence us desperately trying to attract reject players from other clubs to replace our proven quality players who have seen through the nonsense and underperformance from the manager and his side kyke constantly attacking the players and fans.

Jimmy's post the other day struck a chord with me, I am like that too, thinking how to replace following the first team, thinking shall I watch the womens' games, the under 23 games, or sidestep to a more progressive sensible genuine football based team like Erith, until the Welling owners (or their eventual replacements) realise Warren is the toxic curse of a football team, poisoning everything, guaranteed to bring toxicity and failure, as he doesn't have a clue how to manage individual players, let alone a team and keep them on his side, and bite the bullet and get rid of him. As it stands, they think he is the golden son, and dont actually look at his track record he tries so hard to cover up, which is failure, after failure after failure, relegation, not just poor results, no matter how hard the conman so called manager who never addresses the problems tries to fix online stats to cover up his failure after failure. 7th from bottom is actually his second best ever performance, everything else he has done has been relegation form, which the owner could confirm if he actually bothered to not accept Warren's lies, and actually looked into the shocking background for himself.

I am wise and older than Warren, so saw all this a mile in advance, and many months ago warned him of the consequences of him alienating his players, knowing they would walk at the end of the season if he carried on like he did. He lacks football intelligence, so just arrogantly responded by laughing and cutting off contact with me for the crime of not thinking he is right about everything, as he is such a wimp he cant handle any constructive criticism. And then, exactly as I had warned, and the failure ignored, his behaviour drove all the players out, as now it is pay back time, our best players dont want anything to do with him, and we are scraping the barrel replacing proven quality with rejects. But don't despair, we will be retaining Taylor Bloody Curran. And any fans waiting to see James Dunne score will have another season to see that happen or not. But the projected core of 10 players retained has shrunk to those 2 at present, no wonder I laughed when I heard that was the core we are building around, with Warren still managing.

This "we want to build a team around local players" is so transparently, " we can't get decent players from other teams, so we will try our youth players and cross our fingers". The problems all radiate from Warren, until the owners realise the golden son isn't golden we will never get anywhere.

This is the truth, it will never come from the club, but this is the truth.

I get the point Two ells, but I am not renewing the season ticket while Warren is in charge of his aimless team, so just making my points before I stop regularly attending. I may come to watch the odd match to keep in touch. It all revolves about the lack of ambition. I am very success and targets driven, so really welcomed Paul Whitehead spelling out what we wanted to achieve last year - top half of the table finish, building a core of the squad for the following season. That gave us standards to reach, I really liked knowing our targets.

Unfortunately the manager is a conman, so trying to avoid being seen yet again as a failure weasled out of these modest expectation by saying he had no targets and just wanted us to be competitive. This is one of the reasons why we so underperformed last season, as we weren't playing for anything. It was only when we were facing relegation, and actually had getting out of that as a target that we played well. And the target of retaining the core of the squad has fallen down with the exodus of players that I foresaw and warned him about. I remember the conversation, me telling him to stop criticising the players and take the example of Southgate who trusts his players so just sits down on the bench without giving instructions during games, and arrogant ignorant Warren responding to my first ever criticism of him as I could see the exodus that he was heading to and he couldn't, by telling me he would no longer talk with me. Well, once again, I was right, as I was in all the other things I pointed out we needed to fix long before he saw the problems - not closing down quickly enough, not pushing up to support attacks, not relying on the long ball fans hated, not playing with just one guy in attack, to let go Ashley, Tom, Palace as they weren't good, etc etc.

As on my way out I have been saying my thanks to those in the club I appreciate players, fan representives, I had a quick word with Paul Whitehead after the Ebbsfleet game to thank him for taking the time to talk with me about my suggestions. He confirmed he had stepped down as Chairman, so by now that is 5 weeks ago he stepped down, so bizarre and disappointing the club still has not announced this, as Paul did such a great job of bringing new spectators to our games, and it is such a shame that his hard work was undone by the unattractive mess out on the pitch for most of the season, so our attendances have dropped back to where we started from, so another reason why this season was such a disappointing waste of time for players and fans and others connected with the club, and already next season looks likely to be a repeat, as Warren is so toxic and self destructive he burns bridges with calm sensible people like me, Paul, Polo and just ends up surrounding himself with a nasty little crew equally unambitious and lacking football man management skills.

Dipo and others improved dramatically when we moved from training one evening a week to 3 days. Thats why the clubs apparent switch to evening training again worries me. Are we going to miss out on those talented young players who want to train hard and improve? 

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Chi leaving means management staying, unfortunately.

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 Was definitely a outside influence on this decision but everyone knows his other reasons. Good luck to him.

 

Personally very against players of this level and age having a agent, especially one like his who's just touting him around on twitter and didn't even realise that any club he signs for would need to pay us a fee. 

A player like him at the moment should be making his own choice, where he maybe knows other players the manager etc where he can enjoy his football, not to his highest bidder. 

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 Do you think Dipo would have got his move north of the border without one?

And what a season he has had.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him move up a league. whether that be with Ayr United or not.

Had a 1/4 million bid turned down for him. Something i was unaware of.

Ayr United star Dipo Akinyemi on how hard work has paid off for 'season of my career' - Daily Record

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 Yea true, but then that's being a good agent with good contacts, granted they can't all be bad. 

But too many charlatans giving them a bad rep, a player of the season shouldn't be being touted around on twitter as a free agent after rejecting a new deal by someone who doesn't understand the transfer rules.

And I believe Aye turned down the 250k bid from Gillingham in January, who are apparently still trying to get him this summer.

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I understand that, for the fan base, players movements in and out of clubs at the end of the season are totally unpredictable and there will be a wait until the inputs and outputs work their way through. However, what I find extraordinary is that we know nothing of the make up of the Management Team for the coming season, except that, if the informed scuttlebutt that I hear is to be believed, then Skippy is due to become our new Assistant Manager. I can only say if this is true, it is one in the eye for the fans and nepotism reigns at Welling United FC. Unless I hear something in the near future about the structure of the Club and what the way ahead is on the playing front, then I shall be joining those who will be reviewing their options in respect of renewing season tickets.

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 Sincerely hope that the rumours aren't accurate that would be massive p take.

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I understand that, for the fan base, players movements in and out of clubs at the end of the season are totally unpredictable and there will be a wait until the inputs and outputs work their way through. However, what I find extraordinary is that we know nothing of the make up of the Management Team for the coming season, except that, if the informed scuttlebutt that I hear is to be believed, then Skippy is due to become our new Assistant Manager. I can only say if this is true, it is one in the eye for the fans and nepotism reigns at Welling United FC. Unless I hear something in the near future about the structure of the Club and what the way ahead is on the playing front, then I shall be joining those who will be reviewing their options in respect of renewing season tickets.

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 Sincerely hope that the rumours aren't accurate that would be massive p take.

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 Surely there are FA Rules as to what is required to be a manager,assistant manager or coach even at National league South level. It cant be that a manager could in effect bring his Nan in to be the assistant. 

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Dipo and others improved dramatically when we moved from training one evening a week to 3 days. Thats why the clubs apparent switch to evening training again worries me. Are we going to miss out on those talented young players who want to train hard and improve? 

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 I think Dipo improved dramatically when he took it upon himself to get himself into the best shape of his life. 

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 Correct. He worked privately with our fitness trainer at the time to get himself fit and he became a beast of a player. I think that the team was still training in the evenings when he got himself fit.

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Yeovil got sold this morning, still waiting on the fate of Torquay which relies on what happens to Southend on Wednesday.

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 Torquay would get a reprieve if Southend were wound up but from what I understand, that wouldn't save Dulwich. Instead, Kettering would be saved with there no longer be a need to move a club north.

Oxford promoted won 4-0

Like St Albans away and easy to get to.

But we must have finished much higher up on least games won, least games lost (10 teams) ,least goals conceded (12 teams) .... oddly can't access that website address

The allocation for National League South in 2023/24, subject to ratification and any subsequent appeals, is:

Aveley
Bath City
Braintree Town
Chelmsford City
Chippenham Town
Dartford
Dover Athletic
Eastbourne Borough
Farnborough
Hampton & Richmond Borough
Havant & Waterlooville
Hemel Hempstead Town
Maidstone United
Slough Town
St Albans City
Taunton Town
Tonbridge Angels
Torquay United
Truro City
Welling United
Weston-super-Mare
Weymouth
Worthing
Yeovil Town

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Just two new grounds for me next season. Aveley and Plymouth Parkway (assuming that Truro remain there all season).

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 I hope theres a press area at Aveley