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Sidcup Graham


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Could someone from WUSA update us on the plans moving forwards? This is in the aims for 22/23 season taken from the club website:

 

  • Continue to represent the fans with a voice on the board and also communication with the owner. This is especially important with the planned developments on the ground that the club are still looking to proceed with


I've heard detailed rumours of development plans, but nothing has been communicated. What are they?

What is the benefit of having a voice on the board and what have the outcomes been from it this season?

 

I'm not trying to dig anyone out - I appreciate the hard work that does into volunteering to help the club, but I just want to try and justify why I should renew my membership.

 

Thanks

Graham



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To be honest I tend to check the council planning portal every couple of weeks to see if anything has happened. A while back I saw developers at the ground  measuring up and I understand planning permission is due to be applied for later this month or next month. Once the application goes in then it will be available for everyone to see and comment on, object to or support. 



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WUSA has been renamed Graham, FOOSA, Friends of Owners Supporters Association.

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bexleylion wrote:

WUSA has been renamed Graham, FOOSA, Friends of Owners Supporters Association.

 Unless and until there's another bid for the club doesn't it make sense for the supporters' association to work with the current owners for the good of WUFC? 



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a supporters association with no voice Jester? I see the WUSA members forum has no posts since last November. As a supporters association they arppear defunct.

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Apart from the meetings, updates, decisions about the use of its funds etc. Guessing you're not a member?



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Courtjester wrote:

Apart from the meetings, updates, decisions about the use of its funds etc. Guessing you're not a member?

 I'm a member, just feels like a very one-sided relationship to me. Haven't been able to make meetings due to my junior football commitments, but there's been no information about the developments shared - unless you 'know someone'.  



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Earlier in the recently completed season there was a talk here about what WUSA actually does, and it ended up as summarising it qualified members for discounted drinks at the bar and reduced tickets for away games.

That didn't exactly look a powerful argument to join (why join if one doesn't drink at the bar or go to away games?). Some time after that talk I happened to look at the club site, www.wellingunited.com/wusa/ and saw there was, in theory at least, lots more to WUSA than those two benefits. But it was and still is noticeable no one really promotes WUSA's benefits to anyone not already a member.

So I think WUSA needs to have a good internal look at itself, and work out what exactly is it here for, and then how to make fans aware of what it offers.

Now I am totally independent, so look independently at things. The recently completed season the fans were pretty much united that the manager was the wrong choice, and the team was underperforming. Yet WUSA was totally silent on this, not representing fans thoughts on this at all, in fact, it was quite the opposite, Matt publicly saying support the club ie support the manager (that in fact fans had already made perfectly clear they did not support).

Matt is brilliant at many things, but I really don't think he publicly represents what fans think. I think having a fixed fans member on the board is a mistake, far better to have a member appointed for a year. Then they are not risking ending up too close to the board that they keep quiet to protect their relationship with the board, as is arguably the case at the moment. So let's say Wallop, who I respect as an independent clear view of what fans want was the fans representive for a year. He would then know it is fine for him to kick up a fuss and not keep quiet to preserve his long term relationship with the board, as he is only there for a year, so in that limited time will speak up and challenge and represent fans doubts or hopes in a way that is definitely not being done now. There definitely needs to be a long term fans representive, as I know Matt has such a long term knowledge, so needs to stay on the board, but there needs to be an additional shorter term fan representive.

All season long I was waiting for fans reservations to be aired, and it never happened, not even once. Last season there was so much complacency, and WUSA was guilty of that as much as anyone else. I have always had the view if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

It would be great if WUSA membership seemed an automatic choice for fans, but as it stands there is no clarity on why it is worth joining, or what difference it makes, and who represents it and what they actually are there to achieve, and WUSA needs to understand these things in order to be relevant, which at the moment it does not appear to be.

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With regards to the ground developments Graham, I'm unsure of the current situation. I think where a lot of us haven't been using the bar etc after recent events, I haven't spoken to Howard. Last I heard was that it was progressing well but I don't know how far along it is or how far off an application for planning permission is.

I know that WUSA have helped the club with a lot of things this year, I.e contributions towards the terracing repair, 50% of the burger van paid for etc. I've asked Matt to comment in case he hasn't seen your post, and hopefully he will.

As you all know I'm stepping away from my role as Vice-chairman at the upcoming AGM so there's at least 1 vacancy available should anyone want to step up, there's always lots to do!

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I would not normally discuss WUSA business on here but will clarify a couple of things raised in this thread and others over the past few months.

This season WUSA membership is at its highest since it was formed with the majority of new members joining since November. I have also received requests for information about WUSA from fans wishing to join next season. Although I do expect some members to lapse as this happens every year.

WUSA members have a right to request a meeting if they are not happy with what is happening, Not one member has.

WUSA members have differing views some support the current management others who do not. As Courtjester stated above it makes sense to work with the owners for the good of the club. 

WUSA forum is more or less defunct as in this day and age it isnt needed. Membership has been updated with various emails and meetings. Not everything is minuted as I know confidential WUSA business would end up plastered over twitter and other platforms for other clubs to see.

 

 

 



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Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

I would not normally discuss WUSA business on here but will clarify a couple of things raised in this thread and others over the past few months.

This season WUSA membership is at its highest since it was formed with the majority of new members joining since November. I have also received requests for information about WUSA from fans wishing to join next season. Although I do expect some members to lapse as this happens every year.

WUSA members have a right to request a meeting if they are not happy with what is happening, Not one member has.

WUSA members have differing views some support the current management others who do not. As Courtjester stated above it makes sense to work with the owners for the good of the club. 

WUSA forum is more or less defunct as in this day and age it isnt needed. Membership has been updated with various emails and meetings. Not everything is minuted as I know confidential WUSA business would end up plastered over twitter and other platforms for other clubs to see.

 

 

 

 Thank you for the insight.  Wusa has some good people and I'd agree with JH above that I would assume that some of its leaders are in positions where challenging is not practical, rightly or wrongly.  Plus recent history provides a fear of what if and will we have a club to support if the money is withdrawn

 

My thoughts not saying im right but how i feel:

Point 2 - tha t's a fair remark however does wusa not look to act on the best interests of the club and its fanbase member or not?  If so clearly from twitter and on here there was discontent & still is over some wholly unacceptable practices from club representatives.  Surely the leadership of that organisation has to take the bull by the horns - not to cause trouble or make life difficult but maybe just to get clarity.  Surely that helps sell more memberships and sees the purpose of the association serve its purpose?

Point 3 - all for working and being in support of the owners.  However do they want that.  Despite Paul whiteheads promising progress things seemed to go back as they were or stop.  Skippy in the dug out.  Manager saying what he wants and digging out the fan base as club representative.  When have they looked to make it right?  Not necessarily for us to have our own way but just provide some clarity.

Football is a business and there will be a number of the fanbase or potential fanbase that won't be engaged to become dedicated fans if the club continues in same vein.  

 



-- Edited by Jimmy on Thursday 11th of May 2023 09:37:26 PM

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If WUSA is unable to speak out or release a statement about various things that were clearly not acceptable last year then I wont be supporting it. I understand the work that goes on behind the scenes although admirable I think it is wasted on these owners. As a body thats supposed to represent the views of the supporters it certainly doesnt represent my views ! Therefore I wont be renewing my membership or support it with my time. This current owner/manager/thug will run it into the ground and WUSA certainly doesnt have the ability to challenge them or influence their decisions.

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Jimmy wrote:
Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

I would not normally discuss WUSA business on here but will clarify a couple of things raised in this thread and others over the past few months.

This season WUSA membership is at its highest since it was formed with the majority of new members joining since November. I have also received requests for information about WUSA from fans wishing to join next season. Although I do expect some members to lapse as this happens every year.

WUSA members have a right to request a meeting if they are not happy with what is happening, Not one member has.

WUSA members have differing views some support the current management others who do not. As Courtjester stated above it makes sense to work with the owners for the good of the club. 

WUSA forum is more or less defunct as in this day and age it isnt needed. Membership has been updated with various emails and meetings. Not everything is minuted as I know confidential WUSA business would end up plastered over twitter and other platforms for other clubs to see.

 

 

 

 Thank you for the insight.  Wusa has some good people and I'd agree with JH above that I would assume that some of its leaders are in positions where challenging is not practical, rightly or wrongly.  Plus recent history provides a fear of what if and will we have a club to support if the money is withdrawn

 

My thoughts not saying im right but how i feel:

Point 2 - tha t's a fair remark however does wusa not look to act on the best interests of the club and its fanbase member or not?  If so clearly from twitter and on here there was discontent & still is over some wholly unacceptable practices from club representatives.  Surely the leadership of that organisation has to take the bull by the horns - not to cause trouble or make life difficult but maybe just to get clarity.  Surely that helps sell more memberships and sees the purpose of the association serve its purpose?

Point 3 - all for working and being in support of the owners.  However do they want that.  Despite Paul whiteheads promising progress things seemed to go back as they were or stop.  Skippy in the dug out.  Manager saying what he wants and digging out the fan base as club representative.  When have they looked to make it right?  Not necessarily for us to have our own way but just provide some clarity.

Football is a business and there will be a number of the fanbase or potential fanbase that won't be engaged to become dedicated fans if the club continues in same vein.  

 



-- Edited by Jimmy on Thursday 11th of May 2023 09:37:26 PM

 Paul Whitehead took a step back from the end of march I believe 



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I've read all these comments on this thread and others, some of the views are way off the mark and that is partly down to supporters not actually knowing what's going on and just summarising. I'm a firm believer in when you get an opportunity to say something then say it.!!!. The WUSA AGM next month will be the platform for people to do exactly that. That's certainly what I intend to do and if the meeting goes on for three hours then so be it

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N Jones wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

I would not normally discuss WUSA business on here but will clarify a couple of things raised in this thread and others over the past few months.

This season WUSA membership is at its highest since it was formed with the majority of new members joining since November. I have also received requests for information about WUSA from fans wishing to join next season. Although I do expect some members to lapse as this happens every year.

WUSA members have a right to request a meeting if they are not happy with what is happening, Not one member has.

WUSA members have differing views some support the current management others who do not. As Courtjester stated above it makes sense to work with the owners for the good of the club. 

WUSA forum is more or less defunct as in this day and age it isnt needed. Membership has been updated with various emails and meetings. Not everything is minuted as I know confidential WUSA business would end up plastered over twitter and other platforms for other clubs to see.

 

 

 

 Thank you for the insight.  Wusa has some good people and I'd agree with JH above that I would assume that some of its leaders are in positions where challenging is not practical, rightly or wrongly.  Plus recent history provides a fear of what if and will we have a club to support if the money is withdrawn

 

My thoughts not saying im right but how i feel:

Point 2 - tha t's a fair remark however does wusa not look to act on the best interests of the club and its fanbase member or not?  If so clearly from twitter and on here there was discontent & still is over some wholly unacceptable practices from club representatives.  Surely the leadership of that organisation has to take the bull by the horns - not to cause trouble or make life difficult but maybe just to get clarity.  Surely that helps sell more memberships and sees the purpose of the association serve its purpose?

Point 3 - all for working and being in support of the owners.  However do they want that.  Despite Paul whiteheads promising progress things seemed to go back as they were or stop.  Skippy in the dug out.  Manager saying what he wants and digging out the fan base as club representative.  When have they looked to make it right?  Not necessarily for us to have our own way but just provide some clarity.

Football is a business and there will be a number of the fanbase or potential fanbase that won't be engaged to become dedicated fans if the club continues in same vein.  

 



-- Edited by Jimmy on Thursday 11th of May 2023 09:37:26 PM

 Paul Whitehead took a step back from the end of march I believe 

 Obviously for club or Paul to say but would assume that his decison was perhaps related to wanting different things.or opinions.  He done a fantastic job and was much needed.   I just didn't understand things like the marquee being there but not used for latter part.  Small thing but made the experience of getting a beer much easier.



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As an aside. I think the club are missing a trick here. If Feeney is happy to have a unqualified person sat alongside him in the dugout on a weekly basis, then why not offer that space up for any supporter?
This could be simply anyone who has purchased a season ticket, member of WUSA, or go out to general sponsorship.
Think it would be a good opportunity for a supporter to get an understanding of not only goes on pre/post match, but why decisions may be made during the game.
I for one, would be interested.


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