Alan wrote:

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Just out of interest I have kept stats of the games since the start of 2021/22 Season, mainly because we changed manager so many times in one season. This includes every game played league, cups, friendlies the lot

Steve Lovell P15 W2 D5 L8
Mark Goldberg P1 W0 D0 L1 - The Dartford match when Steve Lovell through him under the bus
Peter Taylor P27 W7 D5 L15
Warren Feeney P77 W32 D17 L28
Danny Bloor P14 W3 D2 L9

I also thought Steve King had a team that played the best football I've seen as a Welling fan. It is true he and Warren had the biggest budgets but money doesn't always buy success, look at Chelsea. It is also down to the owners/board what budget they allocate. I also thought Bradley Quinton was a decent manager but wasn't given enough time. I don't have his stats. Jamie Day was good too. As men I have personally found all our managers to be decent people. I have treated all of them with respect and they have all treated me with respect. I spent hours talking to Warren Feeney in our boardroom, away at Hungerford, Farnborough, Brockenhurst, Havant and St. Albans, in particular but other grounds too. He got to know my name and we chatted about allsorts from football to family and wider topics. He was very friendly to me and I can only speak as I find. So yes, I'm biased and was sorry to see him leave. The fact remains though Danny Bloor is our manager now and I want him to be the most successful one we've had. If I was pushed I would say in my time as a Welling United supporter, our best manager has been Steve King and our worst Steve Lovell but I am basing this purely on football performances and results.

As a footnote the one thing that irritates me in football is when a manager gets promotion, the board don't increase the budget to buy better players, possibly sell their best players, then, when it goes horribly wrong and they are immediately relegated, sack the manager!

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Who do you think you are with all these stats, Alan?

... Johnny Hartley Wintney?!

 

Warren's stats aren't that bad overall & he did keep us up, but as has been previously stated we should have, realistically, been much higher up the table given the budget at his disposal.

 

What do I think of these stats? I am not sure where they come from. Warren Feeney was a lying fraudulent conman who misrepresented his footballing achievements to dazzle gullible people who didn't closely check what he said to verify if it were true or not. So, for example, his wikipedia entry showed a very impressive set of results for his time in Welling... except they were totally bogus, as his record was much worse than was shown on that site. Now who would bother to update bogus positive results about Warren Feeney? I know who I guess! Then when I called him out on this, miraculously they were corrected.

So I have no idea what stats Alan, Feeney's love child, is posting. In his first season he won 3 out of 10 league games, in his second season he won 15 out of 46, for a combined 18 out of 56, for an overall 32% win rate. Now bearing in mind in football there are 3 equally possible 33% outcomes - win, lose or draw, he was a below average manager, with only 32% wins. Add onto that he had a big budget he should have achieved far more. We are still paying the price of all the money the muppet squandered. He started off last season with THREE keepers! (We ended with one). He wasted money on players like Rob Strachan that he never even played! He fell out with players that he banished to the fringes, so they were a waste of money, Rob Howard, Aaron Barnes, Cameron, Antony, Taofiq, game after game they would be training separately from the first team.

So we won 18 games, yet Alan says we won 32. Maybe he is including meaningless pre season friendlies, or cup games, god know where he got the extra 14 wins from, I don't. Knowing Alan's reliability when it comes to Warren, I doubt he does either.

A big lesson I have learned recently about football management is that it is about managing people. You think it should mostly be about football, but actually it is about managing people. Managing players, managing fans, managing owners expectations. Warren Feeney is an arrogant self centred fool who only cares about himself and will throw anyone under the bus to advance himself, as shown by him stabbing us in the back by waltzing away back to Ireland a few weeks before our season started, with only two or three players signed up for the new season. Most of his teams have been relegated. We won 5 games in 5 months with him. Until the players said enough is enough we were 4 points above relegation, with the manager saying we were in a great position and had nothing to worry about. He was probably already setting up a move back to Ireland, so of course he had nothing to worry about, as he never gave a damn about the fans or the club, and has disappeared, thank goodness. The key stat with him is he is 100% a loser, things always end up wrong for him once players, fans and owners see through him.

Even if it includes cups and friendlies I still dont get where the additional 21 games on top of our 56 league matches came from, we had around 7 friendlies I'd guess, but we didn't have 14-ish cup games as he invariably lost early on in cup competitions.

The most accurate comparison is league results, as they are competitive and evenly matched, whereas friendlies and cup games can be wildly mismatched, or disjoined with triallists and endless substitutions so can't be treated the same. I dont have the older stats, but leaguewise for our last two managers:

Warren Feeney P56 W18 D16, L22
Danny P 8 W2 D1 L5

However Danny's results are misleading, our performances are fine, we have only been outplayed in one half of one match, the rest have been very evenly balanced, and we have been messed around by conceding doubtful penalties, not scoring our penalties, and not yet having clicked in attack, but will as Danny has the proven experience to work out how to fix this last piece in the jigsaw that needs to be put in place.

Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

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I refer to the title of this thread. He has gone do we still need to be going on about him. FFS stop harping on about the past and look to the future.

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 I was about to say something similar earlier this morning. He's gone and won't ever be coming back so why are we comparing the two. 

Danny is a very good manager who is in the bery early stages of implementing his way of playing and so far it looks promising. We are 1 or two players short of been a very good side who on our day can compete with any other side in the league and are a tad unfortunate not to have picked a few more points than we have so far. 

Verdict - Close the thread and move on.

Damn it, I hate it when Jamison is right, and actually I agree with him, it is just that although I had written you know who off as the past to no longer bother thinking about, as the season goes on I realise the long term damage he left behind him is still badly affecting us, financially in leaving us in a worse position than when he arrived so screwing our ability to make certain signings, fanwise alienating fans so we are now having low crowds after new arrivals last season saw poor football for 80% of the season and matchday chaos, and haven't come back, which again impacts signings.

But onto more constructive current thinking, I really rate Danny as a manager and know this is all a blip.

When the fixtures come out we have no context to them, as we have no idea how good or bad the early season opponents are, as there is no form to go by. But actually after playing Bath tomorrow, without us knowing it at the time we have had a very tough set of first 9 league fixtures, playing 4 of the top 7 sides, and 2 of our other matches being against top half teams. Then in October we get to play the other 3 top 7 sides, so we really have had an unexpectedly tough first 3 months of fixtures, 10 of our first 14 games against top half of the table teams. Then after those we will be fine, as we'll have easier games, November for example we play 3 of the bottom 4 teams, and will have signed Jamison and The Poet as our new strike force!