Plans are online at the wellingparkview site on the leaflet

Teatowel wrote:

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They may need to provide an amount for affordable housing as I would guess that the council maybe under pressure to provide some. Wasnt there talk last time of private housing overlooking the cricket ground and social housing closer to the football pitch?

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 Affordable housing is not affordable. 

A well presented scheme but still a long way to go. Id doubt if construction could start next May, even if there were no Planning problems.

Two big problems as I see it, firstly the affordable housing, Id have thought some would be a requirement; and the car parking. They said a survey had been done to determine how people traveled to the ground, but that was with crowds of say 500, with success this could rise to +3,000 or more attracting fans from a wider area with different travelling profiles, and currently a number of vehicles are parked within the ground on match days, where will they go? But solutions,Im sure, are there.

So a very exciting time, a great input from our new manager and the news that E&B will no longer be on the site (when developed) put a smile on many faces. 

When all is completed we will have the facilities to aspire to move up the leagues.

It was good to see plans officially displayed. I've always been under the impression from MG's plans there would be a large development at the road end with plenty of flats to fund the project so it wasn't a surprise to me, but it was to the local residents who were there when I was there. Some were pretty angry! I think there will be a lot of objections but not sure where they stand legally. I guess the club knows what can and can't be submitted but can see the planning drag on for a while yet.

The ground itself seems ok with a new road end and new stand replacing the old one but not much being done with Erith's side or the road end. 

My biggest concern would be the duration of the build as it's a very big project. How long could we be out of PVR? 

Developers can be very clever. I wonder if they apply for x number of flats knowing objections will be made. Then go back with a plan for z number of flats and objectors think they have won. But the developer was banking on the lower number anyway. Or am I overthinking? 

I have mixed views on this. Whilst its great to see something happening after so many false promises under MG, there is still some things in this proposal that isnt good for football.

Community. Great. More housing, as the area needs it. It also needs Welling United. So thats good. There is a bit of a Leyton Orient feel here though.

Football. Hate 4g pitches. But hey, its that way that lower league football is going, to reduce running costs. It is what it is.

Behind the goals. There is no terracing, seats, or even a standing area at all. Its just wrong. This should be a 4 sided ground. If they plans included that, Id be right behind it.

Right now, Im a tad concerned. Although still happy that something is happening.

The only thing of concern on my part was the initial view that a lot of big pro clubs could use this facility on a Friday night prior to a game in London (when staying in the Marriott Bexleyheath).
Dont think this would work with a load of flats balconies overlooking the pitch.
Definitely need a stand at both ends..
Toilets need reviewing with regards to current 50/50 split.

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Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

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Developers can be very clever. I wonder if they apply for x number of flats knowing objections will be made. Then go back with a plan for z number of flats and objectors think they have won. But the developer was banking on the lower number anyway. Or am I overthinking? 

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 No, thats my chain of thought also.

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 Agree too, developers start off big sort of knowing it will or parts will get objected then scale down from there. Then when they scale it down both parties I.e the council and the developers get what they want.

The development plans are online wellingparkviewroad.co.uk

The presentation made yesterday is here,

wellingparkviewroad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/2023/07/WCF-Exhibition_Board.pdf and is really clear and helpful.

I am just glad the plans are out now, so the uncertainty is over and we now know what they look like.

50p head wrote:

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Erith will share with Erith Town at the sport centre until they can find a place of their own. The old Slade Green FC ground is an option, but it is so dilapidated it will take a lot of cash.

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 Erith Town have moved to Thamesmeads old ground now have n't they?

Any ideas as to when E&B are moving out? It would be good to get their bar and a food outlet that side of the ground, both under Welling Us control.

I would imagine that they wont move out until the redevelopment begins. If they need a ground up to Ryman standard in the borough I assume the options are Phoenix or VCD as Thamesmead appears taken.

Not keen. Sorry

I don't know, in my view Erith are ruthless exploitative cuckoos, taking advantage of us. They sold their ground, result for them, pocketed that money, result for them, play at our ground benefiting from all we offer, result for them, yet not putting much back themselves, result for them.

When we played the friendly the other day against Charlton I saw their bar was open, taking money away from us, the entrance on their side was open, so people could come in and out without paying to us, as they don't care about our ticket sales, they had a food stall, taking away money from our fast food options, it is clear they dont give a toss about us, they are out for themselves. This wasn't a one off either, they do this before.

I totally hope I am wrong about this, as this is just my view without any inside info about them in the future plans, but on the basis of history, with all that in their favour they are so parasitical they won't want to lightly give up the golden goose, so getting them out of the development is easier said than done, as they have a track record of not contributing much, yet getting back tons, and quietly stabbing us in the back, as we are nice, too nice, we dont take custom away from their bars or refreshments on matchdays, sad they are not as honourable.

I think you are right Odin, but I just don't like their track record of piggybacking on us, and draining us. So the cost they paid for that stand will have been recouped by them many times over in savings of running costs that we pay that they would otherwise have to pay if they were playing on their own ground.

An agreement from them not to engage in any commercial activities on our match days, or until a couple of hours after our matches have finished, would resolve this.

I watch our matches from their side of the ground, so have seen how they divert Welling match fan funds to Erith's way, and it is really unscrupulous of them, and loses us tons of money from lost refreshments money, and lost ticket sales.

The present arrangement is roughly 90% overall in their favour, we get a few benefits, but not many, whereas it is a right old result for them to play cheaply at our place with their crowds of 200. So I just hope we can have them not involved in the development, as they would make a few token contributions, then carry on draining us left right and centre.

Odin73 wrote:

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Think Erith B&Q paid for the cricket side stand otherwise we would still have that shelter

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 E&B paid part of it, and a Welling United grant paid for the rest. 

Jimmie wrote:

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OK, this Erith issue isn't something I have any inside view, so I am just speaking as an observer.

The good thing is this consultation process gives everyone a voice to shape the final outcome. The architects have shown their ideal outcome. Welling fans now respond with theirs. Bexley Council will have their own views, as will Erith, and local residents, and everyone else with a view, and out of all this something final will emerge.

The plans look very practical to me, and are much needed to keep us competitive, so the final development may not end up too far from what has already been proposed, in a way that will end up benefitting as many as possible.

I had never been to Bromley's ground before our weekend match against Crayford, but it was a very impressive development, and one of our owners Jerry Dolke was involved with that successful development, so will bring all that expertise to us, and although the land space to develop is very different, the architects have been creative and imaginative in packing so much into the proposed PVR development.

-- Edited by Jimmie on Wednesday 12th of July 2023 09:09:32 PM

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 Johnny. Im pretty sure we played Cray Wanderers on Saturday not Crayford. 

POTTY wrote:

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Not keen on the development. No fans behind the goal takes away a lot of the atmosphere. Only sporting venues where blocks of flats overlook the playing area and dont look out of place are cricket grounds. Starting to worry that the emphasise in more on the residential development than the football club

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 Im sure there is going to be standing behind both goals from what I can see in the plans

The developer I spoke to said there would be standing at the road end but there are no plans at the moment for any at the park end.

FA ground regulations for National and National South only require 3 sides, so it would be compliant.

National requires a 4,000 capacity (3,000 in South) so it would meet those requirements too.