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All the best tonight welling. Let get a much needed result. We'll done to all the wings fans who make the journey tonight.



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2-0 another great cross from the left. Getting a lot of joy down this side!!!

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0-2 TJ

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Weathered an end of 1st half storm where we'd normally concede. Going well.

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1-2...Need another

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2- 2
90+5

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2-2...god we are not very good!

I now think we are deep in trouble if we were not before

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Gutted, thought we'd done enough.....

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Its becoming demoralising now. 



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I'm going to sound like Jimmie now, but not take take so long in stating the bleedin' obvious.
10 games since a league win, but only 3 defeats in that time and now an unbeaten run of four, (positive). Still adds up to 23 points given up.
I remain confident in and will support Mr Bloor to the end but he needs to find an answer PDQ, dropped points is endemic now, and guess who hit form tonight? Yes, Saturday's struggling opponents who found the net four times.

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Our forward line have to start getting ruthless. Not enough chances being created or taken. Its about throwing yourself at the ball sometimes not just sticking a leg out. Once again a late sucker punch has done for us. We came out for the second half like we had taken tranquillisers in our halftime drinks. Sorry Danny Bloor I was fully behind you but the honeymoon is over now. Knock this lot into a winning team (occasionally) or we need to find someone who will.

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Maybe the squad could volunteer to put some extra training sessions in. Monday or Thursday say. Just working to put certain things right. Set pieces etc.

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From the post match interview bloor sounded frustrated and reading in-between lines possibly a pop about the resource being given. I think manager is doing all he can and the disappointing thing is, don't think this is a bad team just a couple tweaks, probably more experienced players away from securing more points. Then again how many times has that been the case

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New player has taken Vaughan's shirt number, has he gone? Also Dickenson out for the,season. Players need to be changed, and I think Bloor is looking to offload White, Abrahams, Papadopoulos and Curran. Wood will probably go as well. A few players in their thirties incoming.



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Took a decent first half lead without looking that great.
Second half was woeful.
Very tired looking and unable to string a pass together.
All the play was down our right.
Why? Because Taylor Curran was playing in the left side of our back four.
Hardly ever found a player ahead of himself. Just booting it time and time again to the Dover midfield.
The team does not look comfortable when he is in it.

There is a serious lack of confidence in this side. At 2-0 up it needed winners to get our side up.
Our centre forward being a prime example. Would rather try and find a pass than a shot on goal.

Also need to be reminded that Dover hit the bar twice in the second half.

Just dont see a win coming I am afraid, and that is a worry.

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Nigel and Mark's radio commentary and the fans' comments here and Danny's post match interview combine to make a clear picture of the match, and the gutting conceding of the late equaliser.

Warren would often say "we are where we are for a reason", and actually that is quite a good approach, to work out the many reasons why we are bottom 3 and what we need to change to get higher. Something I look for in midfield and forward players is end product - goals, or assists - and actually when you step back, and look at lots of our midfield and forward players, lots of them have not produced much in the way of end product. Lots of players have been automatic selections, but Danny has been shuffling the pack more recently, maybe thinking some of the players have not fully repaid his commitment to them, or to avoid their complacency.

After this match I thought it would be interesting and revealing to mark the players marks out of 10 for the season so far, and doing that makes one realise suggestions above of possible player releases isn't so wrong, assuming they have been given a proper chance and been clearly told what end product they need to deliver, and then still arent delivering it.

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We have just listened to Danny's interview and would like to commend him on his honesty. Like us all, behind the goal tonight (& a few in the seats), he saw a game of football that was akin to an attack versus defence training session. Save the first half an hour or so, where we had gone 2-0 up & played reasonably well, we were being bombarded and were relieved to hear the half-time whistle.

Not long into the second half & it was no surprise when Dover pulled one back as it had been coming for a while.

It's a terrible feeling when a team equalises in 90+8, I think it was, even though 6 minutes went up on the board. Their keeper had gone up & they equalised, but it was remarkable how Dover didn't equalise sooner. We did not deserve to win tonight & on the balance of play were fortunate to come away with a point.

Wallop is 100% correct - there is a serious lack of confidence in this side.

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The team in the second half played like a pub team. Changes are needed straight away, maybe this could be the manager. That's 11 matches without a win... It's not good.

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Last night was hard to take or even understand. 2-0 up, then late 1st half we crumble but don't concede - then the 2nd half turned into an absolute mess. Just calculated that if we hadn't of conceded late against Eastbourne (86), Farnborough (90), and Dover (90+8) we would be in 17th place on 19pts - so a moment of realisation that ven with these points we'd only be 3 points above the zone.

I like Danny's post match honesty. The only thing I disagree with was a minor swipe at the ref for playing +8 mins instead of +5. Our boys were time wasting in very silly ways which means that time gets added on. Grow a pair.

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The team in the second half played like a pub team. Changes are needed straight away, maybe this could be the manager. That's 11 matches without a win... It's not good.

 We just have to suck it up. We have the lowest budget in the league. When Bloor took over he inherited 3/4 players on contract and they have all been poor. He then signed 3 experienced players from his old club. One then retires, another has an injury that looks like it will keep him out for the season and the third, James Vaughan, has apparently now left.

If we get a new manager we will still go down and may well get relegated again from the Bostick. 

Our best bet is to stick with Bloor and hope that he can get more from the team- perhaps with a couple of additions. 



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Vaughan has left. Is this true?

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Vaughan has left. Is this true?

 That was the rumour at the ground last night. Also the new guy was wearing number 8 which was previously Vaughans shirt. He would be a massive, massive loss. 



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Looking at the table and the teams we have played and the form teams are in, the relegation spots currently look likely to be 4 from the bottom 8 Weymouth, Weston, Slough, Truro, Eastbourne, Us, Dover, Havant.

Havant are in a real mess, having let in 2 or more in 10 of their last 12 games. We on the other hand are tighter than may be immediately obvious, as most of our games are tight - draws, losses by a goal, or a win by a goal.

So the problems caused by our lack of accuracy in front of goal become clearer if one realises if we had scored an extra goal in each of our games we would have turned the one goal defeats into draws, and the draws into one goal wins, so have won an extra 18 points, which would have put us third in the table, instead of our actual position of third from bottom.



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Jimmie wrote:

Looking at the table and the teams we have played and the form teams are in, the relegation spots currently look likely to be 4 from the bottom 8 Weymouth, Weston, Slough, Truro, Eastbourne, Us, Dover, Havant.

Havant are in a real mess, having let in 2 or more in 10 of their last 12 games. We on the other hand are tighter than may be immediately obvious, as most of our games are tight - draws, losses by a goal, or a win by a goal.

So the problems caused by our lack of accuracy in front of goal become clearer if one realises if we had scored an extra goal in each of our games we would have turned the one goal defeats into draws, and the draws into one goal wins, so have won an extra 18 points, which would have put us third in the table, instead of our actual position of third from bottom.

 Breaking news, goals win games.



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Can I borrow your rose tinted glasses Saturday at around ten to five?
With regards to H&W, would love to have the clout to have signed Ryan Seager from Dorking.
Think Kingy is going to be thrown a few quid, and therefore, think Havant might not be in your equation.

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Chris wrote:
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Vaughan has left. Is this true?

 That was the rumour at the ground last night. Also the new guy was wearing number 8 which was previously Vaughans shirt. He would be a massive, massive loss. 

 Well surely the club should come out and confirm he has left then.



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It is unfortunately easy to misunderstand things online, just to clarify, I don't have rose tinted glasses, I am worried, as we are in a relegation battle and at the moment aren't scoring enough to get out of it. The point I was trying to make was that it is not a total disaster, as defensively we are already sound, so that part of having an effective team is already in place, so if we could start taking more of the 8 or so chances we have each match we would be in a miles better situation.

Trying to make sense of us is hard, there are lots of inconsistencies, good defensively, bad in attack, bottom 3 in the table, yet if one discounts the first 4 matches, we have only lost 4 out of last 15 league and cup games. All these draws are a drag, but trying to look positively on them, at least we get a point, and that point keeps us in touch with the higher teams. As I mentioned, in Danny's first Eastbourne season he finished fifth from bottom. But add on the next season they finished third, so he knows how to turn things round.

Personally I wouldnt miss James Vaughan too much. I think a massive part of our problems in attack is we don't give enough forward passes to our striker, which is why Tristan is clearly so pissed off, as he hardly gets any forward balls to run onto, as he is a player who plays off the shoulder of the last defender, so needs passes in front of him to run onto. And James Vaughan in midfield virtually every time did unthreatening safe sideways passes that didnt really make much difference, whereas Dominic has recently really impressed me with the way he has suddenly started making really clever forward passes and having forward passing vision. So with James Vaughan's lack of shots or forward assists vision it wouldnt be a loss. In his credit he tackles well.

We have Slough on Saturday, I remember that match last season, a nightmare, neither side ever looking likely to score, will this one be a shock result.... a draw?!

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Riverstown wrote:
Chris wrote:
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Vaughan has left. Is this true?

 That was the rumour at the ground last night. Also the new guy was wearing number 8 which was previously Vaughans shirt. He would be a massive, massive loss. 

 Well surely the club should come out and confirm he has left then.

 Confirmed on Twitter. Good luck to him, hopefully he will consider us when he returns. 



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Chris wrote:
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The team in the second half played like a pub team. Changes are needed straight away, maybe this could be the manager. That's 11 matches without a win... It's not good.

 We just have to suck it up. We have the lowest budget in the league. When Bloor took over he inherited 3/4 players on contract and they have all been poor. He then signed 3 experienced players from his old club. One then retires, another has an injury that looks like it will keep him out for the season and the third, James Vaughan, has apparently now left.

If we get a new manager we will still go down and may well get relegated again from the Bostick. 

Our best bet is to stick with Bloor and hope that he can get more from the team- perhaps with a couple of additions. 

If we have the lowest budget in the League then that's a scandal in itself - on that basis we have an owner who's lost interest in which case if there are others willing to invest more he shouldn't stand in their way.

Did we know Dickinson had a problem before signing him and just took a chance (hope not as not the best of investments otherwise)?

Relegation won't do a lot for the development (if it happens).

The Club seem to be going nowhere fast at the moment despite all the boasting.

I like Bloor but football is a results business at the end of the day.

One angry frustrated supporter of longstanding!

 

 



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I think it's fairly obvious that the powers that be at the club have very little interest in the footballing side of the club. I don't even know what Howard Prosser looks like, let alone what his views are on the current state of affairs. Companies House list both him and Jerry Dolke as significant shareholders, yet neither of them have done a single interview despite this being their second season at the helm. That is one thing I won't knock MG for, as much as I disagree with the way he ran the club, he was always about and available to talk to and often did interviews and evenings at the club.

Ultimately, if we were to go down you couldn't say it's anything less than the club deserve. We have been a shambles for many years now. This is our eighth season back in the NLS since relegation and of those eight I can only think of two (the Coyle and King years) where we haven't at least flirted with the relegation zone at some point. Recruitment this season has yet again been very poor, and whilst Danny has to take the blame for the three Eastbourne boys, surely at some point fingers have to be pointed at Garry Fiore. He has been in post as DoF for a good few years now and has overseen multiple disastrous squad rebuilds, surely at some point he has to be held to account.

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I wasn't there at Dover but did watch the stream.

We looked a lot more sloppier than normal and I think we've been missing Vaughan since he was injured. It's a shame he's leaving as I think he's been great this season, but hopefully the money can go towards another player.

It's been an odd season, as the football for the most part has been great to watch and so much better than last year, but we just don't have that out and out goalscorer which costs a lot of money nowadays!

For me the talk of getting rid of Danny is bonkers, he's working with a small budget thanks to the spending last season, and I fail to see how anyone else coming in could get more out of the players or put a squad together that's better with the budget we have.

You could see Danny was frustrated after the game on Tuesday, and hopefully one or two tweaks will get us firing.

In Bloor we trust, Up the Wings!

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Not much budget control in evidence by sound of it if last year we had it all (that worked well under the previous Manager!) and this year we have nothing.

Want Danny Bloor to succeed but he needs results ultimately as all Managers do - would prefer some flexability from him and for him not to be totally wedded to 4-2-3-1 which blunts us as an attacking force as in my view the wide attackers (as good as Tanga and sometimes Adom look) do not support the central forward players effectively.

Again my view but feel relagation would be disastrous for the Club and should be avoided at all costs!

 

 



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I wasn't there at Dover but did watch the stream.

We looked a lot more sloppier than normal and I think we've been missing Vaughan since he was injured. It's a shame he's leaving as I think he's been great this season, but hopefully the money can go towards another player.

It's been an odd season, as the football for the most part has been great to watch and so much better than last year, but we just don't have that out and out goalscorer which costs a lot of money nowadays!

For me the talk of getting rid of Danny is bonkers, he's working with a small budget thanks to the spending last season, and I fail to see how anyone else coming in could get more out of the players or put a squad together that's better with the budget we have.

You could see Danny was frustrated after the game on Tuesday, and hopefully one or two tweaks will get us firing.

In Bloor we trust, Up the Wings!

 Totally agree with everything said here, to even think about Danny going is complete madness. I've been told in the past that Danny is at least a 2yr project and I'm hoping that he stays for at least that period. He's desperate to bring stability and success to this club which isn't going to be easy with the current finances available to him because of what was spent last season. He's got the experience and the backroom staff we desperately need and I'm sure if we cut out the silly mistakes that are currently costing us points then we will climb up the table 



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Get behind the manager, team and club. Any talk of manager changes is nonsense. Bar two games we are not getting tonked every week. Up the wings and hopefully a good game against Slough.

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Not much budget control in evidence by sound of it if last year we had it all (that worked well under the previous Manager!) and this year we have nothing.

Want Danny Bloor to succeed but he needs results ultimately as all Managers do - would prefer some flexability from him and for him not to be totally wedded to 4-2-3-1 which blunts us as an attacking force as in my view the wide attackers (as good as Tanga and sometimes Adom look) do not support the central forward players effectively.

Again my view but feel relagation would be disastrous for the Club and should be avoided at all costs!

 

 

 agreed



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