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Unfortunately due to illness there will be no commentary from the game today


 Sorry to hear that Nigel. If its you get well soon. 



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Need to back up last weeks win!

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Great shame but your health comes first.
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OOph. Folks, this intro is relevant, so bear with me. I work in risk management, identifying risks, then working out how to solve or reduce them. Part of risk management is "risk appetite", which looks at how much risk one is willing to accept. I think Danny and his coaching team, maybe without realising it, as these things gradually build up, have become extremely (and unhealthily) risk averse, and have a blind spot about that. He said on his arrival his favourite formation was 4 2 3 1, and that rang big alarm bells for me, as that is so unbalanced with defensive players and hardly any guys in attacking positions.

I heard one of his coaches dismissing fans who want to play two up front. That negativity about putting out an attacking formation is a big part of our current problems, we have a group of coaches who have the same defensive mindset, so we dont get enough players up in attacking positions, so we dont score enough goals. The safety first approach showed yet again today, when we do substitutions of a striker for a striker, rather than either starting with two strikers, or adding an extra striker as the game goes on.

The problems of having coaches with too similar views so they can't see the problems in the team were shown in a chat with a coach, where I was saying we pass WAY too slow and need to take fewer touches on the ball, as that is how the most successful team play. This team has tons of pace, so we can, in theory at least, outrun other teams. But lots of this inherent advantages is wasted by us taking too many touches on the ball, not playing directly. Like I said the other match, I heard a player shouting "get the ball in the f-cking box" and he was spot on, we are far too slow in build ups, with not enough target players due to the overly defensive mindset. The coach I spoke with made the excuse the surfaces we play on arent good enough to support one touch football, but that is wrong, they are, and it is more the case the coaches have lost sight of the fact it is essential to play really quick forward passes all match long. It is that complacency, of being bottom 4 all season, yet not changing things.

I will leave the final word on this to Graeme Souness, who thinks identically to me on this, and I just wish our coaches did, as it would improve us enormously and help get us out of this mess:

"My football education was all about taking as few touches as you possibly could and being accurate with your passing. What that basically meant was, if youre taking all those touches, youre not seeing things as quickly as a top player does.

The whole game is based on getting the ball to the guys who score the goals as quickly and as accurately as possible. They are the people in the team who matter most, because they put the ball in the net. They need time and space. The longer you spend on the ball, the more it denies them that. I still believe my education was right then, is right today and will be right in 100 years time".


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OOph. Folks, this intro is relevant, so bear with me. I work in risk management, identifying risks, then working out how to solve or reduce them. Part of risk management is "risk appetite", which looks at how much risk one is willing to accept. I think Danny and his coaching team, maybe without realising it, as these things gradually build up, have become extremely (and unhealthily) risk averse, and have a blind spot about that. He said on his arrival his favourite formation was 4 2 3 1, and that rang big alarm bells for me, as that is so unbalanced with defensive players and hardly any guys in attacking positions.

I heard one of his coaches dismissing fans who want to play two up front. That negativity about putting out an attacking formation is a big part of our current problems, we have a group of coaches who have the same defensive mindset, so we dont get enough players up in attacking positions, so we dont score enough goals. The safety first approach showed yet again today, when we do substitutions of a striker for a striker, rather than either starting with two strikers, or adding an extra striker as the game goes on.

The problems of having coaches with too similar views so they can't see the problems in the team were shown in a chat with a coach, where I was saying we pass WAY too slow and need to take fewer touches on the ball, as that is how the most successful team play. This team has tons of pace, so we can, in theory at least, outrun other teams. But lots of this inherent advantages is wasted by us taking too many touches on the ball, not playing directly. Like I said the other match, I heard a player shouting "get the ball in the f-cking box" and he was spot on, we are far too slow in build ups, with not enough target players due to the overly defensive mindset. The coach I spoke with made the excuse the surfaces we play on arent good enough to support one touch football, but that is wrong, they are, and it is more the case the coaches have lost sight of the fact it is essential to play really quick forward passes all match long. It is that complacency, of being bottom 4 all season, yet not changing things.

I will leave the final word on this to Graeme Souness, who thinks identically to me on this, and I just wish our coaches did, as it would improve us enormously and help get us out of this mess:

"My football education was all about taking as few touches as you possibly could and being accurate with your passing. What that basically meant was, if youre taking all those touches, youre not seeing things as quickly as a top player does.

The whole game is based on getting the ball to the guys who score the goals as quickly and as accurately as possible. They are the people in the team who matter most, because they put the ball in the net. They need time and space. The longer you spend on the ball, the more it denies them that. I still believe my education was right then, is right today and will be right in 100 years time".


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Riverstown, what do you reckon are the things that are going wrong, and what are the solutions?

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We dont score enough goals. We cant defend for toffees. Danny Bloor is in charge of sorting the solution. I pay for my season ticket. I enjoy football. I watch the games as entertainment. I dont try to get too wound up about it. I dont try to pretend to all the other forum users that Im a superior football tactician. I leave all the tactical ****e to the people who are paid to deal with the tactical ****e. I dont preach. I dont fall out with the manager because he doesnt listen to me. I try very very hard not to bore the living bejesus out of everyone. I have a life. Does that answer your question? 



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Thanks for the answer Riverstown. It actually coincides with something that struck me the other day, as I wondered why some are hostile to me here, then I realised there is a misunderstanding with some who dont get where I am coming from, as in my policy work we bounce ideas around until reaching a conclusion, and that is what I do here, just say what I think, to try to understand things better that I am interested in, listen to replies, but I am not telling people what to think as football is a game of opinions. Why for example I was interested in your view of things. But some here mistake me as wanting to tell people what to think. And I dont fall out with people, as life is too short, as I am diplomatic, but people who dont get me fall out with me sometimes, and there isnt much one can do if they do that, so who cares, I just concentrate on those that get me and get on with me.

I guess it comes back to the point at our level players are inconsistent, so we can be fantastic, or dreadful, and there is no way of predicting which will happen. Don't totally agree about the defending, usually we defend well, but when we dont sometimes we totally fall apart.

Looking at TwitterX there are a couple calling for our manager to be sacked, but those sort of knee jerk responses are wrong in my view. Danny finished 5th from bottom in his first season with Eastbourne, then finished 3rd the following season, so has shown he can turn things round given time. The best of us this season has been great, so just hoping overdue changes are made on the pitch so we can hit those levels more regularly with Danny.

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Riverstown, what do you reckon are the things that are going wrong, and what are the solutions?


We dont score enough goals. We cant defend for toffees. Danny Bloor is in charge of sorting the solution. I pay for my season ticket. I enjoy football. I watch the games as entertainment. I dont try to get too wound up about it. I dont try to pretend to all the other forum users that Im a superior football tactician. I leave all the tactical ****e to the people who are paid to deal with the tactical ****e. I dont preach. I dont fall out with the manager because he doesnt listen to me. I try very very hard not to bore the living bejesus out of everyone. I have a life. Does that answer your question? 


 That is actually a pretty good response from Riverstown. Johnny take note as there is some sound advice in there. We still get wound up at football occasionally though and wouldn't change our beloved non league.

We weren't at the game today, so look forward to hearing from our fans who made the trip to Weston-super-Mare. Danny has our backing and we must get behind the boys. We will have a decent following on Monday night.

Trust Johnny didn't go to Bromley today (loves a bit of opposition from Lancs!)



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Well Jimmie how does the average Wings supporter digest and respond to your latest 'bed time reading' monologue?
In a recent post you suggested I had a chip on my shoulder over your posts, well, that chip has now become a full blown state banquet!
I mean, what do we Wings think of our "risk appetite"? For me it is when I go for my Saturday morning brekkie at the local greasy spoon, should I have one slice of fried bread or two? Two rashers or three?
Dare I ask what is negative about scoring eleven goals in our last four league matches? IMO it is our defence where the problem lies, with 12 goals conceded in those same four matches. Almost three goals scored every game would normally win you those matches, but three goals conceded doesn't.
As the Southampton Echo reporter for the Southampton vs Wolves game on 17th November 2004 once famously said, 'if you don't concede a goal you won't lose the game.' Even my dear old Granny told me that.
Souness may well have won eleven honours in management, (mainly in Scotland, the mighty League cup 5 of those and the lesser Turkish FA Cup) but I take serious issue with the way you relay his quote ...
"The whole game is based on getting the ball to the guys who score the goals as quickly and as accurately as possible. They are the people in the team who matter most, because they put the ball in the net. They need time and space. The longer you spend on the ball, the more it denies them that. I still believe my education was right then, is right today and will be right in 100 years time".
What you overlook is this will only work if you have a tight defence in place at the other end?
My apologies to all for the Jimmiesque length of my response but felt it was necessary to counteract the voluminous baloney by Jimmie.



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OOph. Folks, this intro is relevant, so bear with me. I work in risk management, identifying risks, then working out how to solve or reduce them. Part of risk management is "risk appetite", 

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We scored 2 away goals today, which normally should be enough to get something from a game, but undid that good by conceding 4. But we have lots of injured defenders, Mitchell out long term, Crossley, Taylor, Jack out today, that has an impact.

I guess the point is we are still trying to get the balance right between defence and attack. Previously we were rigidly too unbalanced, one isolated guy up front, and the rest in defensive positions. Recently we have played with a couple more in forward or supporting positions, so scored more, but also conceded more, as we have less guys defending. But the more forward players have been doing their bit recently, so the defensive players need to match that, and when we have a fit defence we are usually solid defensively.

Bexleylion, you are right in saying Souness is ignoring the importance of defence in that quote, but then again, attack is the best form of defence, if we are attacking them then it stops them from attacking us. We have had some home games against lowly placed teams, and only played one guy up front, unnecessarily setting ourselves heavily defensively against teams that hardly score. All those dropped points from cautious games come back to haunt one, and looking at our forthcoming fixtures over the next 2 months, apart from Eastbourne and Truro it is looking tricky, and today the table has gone back to looking a concern. It makes winning that Eastbourne game soon so important.




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I unfortunately was there today, and it was a disgrace.

The players are quite happy to lap up the plaudits last week, and dance in front of the supporters, however today there were many of them who quite frankly could not be arsed. When they were told so after the game, some weren't happy to hear some home truths. Funny how some of them run their balls off last Saturday, but today suffer a severe case of Idontfancyititis

Onto Aveley on Monday, but if we play like today, start planning for the Ryman.

Disgraceful and for the first time this season, I'm fuming.



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I unfortunately was there today, and it was a disgrace.

The players are quite happy to lap up the plaudits last week, and dance in front of the supporters, however today there were many of them who quite frankly could not be arsed. When they were told so after the game, some weren't happy to hear some home truths. Funny how some of them run their balls off last Saturday, but today suffer a severe case of Idontfancyititis

Onto Aveley on Monday, but if we play like today, start planning for the Ryman.

Disgraceful and for the first time this season, I'm fuming.


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I heard one of his coaches dismissing fans who want to play two up front. That negativity about putting out an attacking formation is a big part of our current problems, we have a group of coaches who have the same defensive mindset, so we dont get enough players up in attacking positions, so we dont score enough goals. The safety first approach showed yet again today, when we do substitutions of a striker for a striker, rather than either starting with two strikers, or adding an extra striker as the game goes on.

The problems of having coaches with too similar views so they can't see the problems in the team were shown in a chat with a coach, where I was saying we pass WAY too slow and need to take fewer touches on the ball, as that is how the most successful team play. This team has tons of pace, so we can, in theory at least, outrun other teams. But lots of this inherent advantages is wasted by us taking too many touches on the ball, not playing directly. Like I said the other match, I heard a player shouting "get the ball in the f-cking box" and he was spot on, we are far too slow in build ups, with not enough target players due to the overly defensive mindset. The coach I spoke with made the excuse the surfaces we play on arent good enough to support one touch football, but that is wrong, they are, and it is more the case the coaches have lost sight of the fact it is essential to play really quick forward passes all match long. It is that complacency, of being bottom 4 all season, yet not changing things.

I will leave the final word on this to Graeme Souness, who thinks identically to me on this, and I just wish our coaches did, as it would improve us enormously and help get us out of this mess:

"My football education was all about taking as few touches as you possibly could and being accurate with your passing. What that basically meant was, if youre taking all those touches, youre not seeing things as quickly as a top player does.

The whole game is based on getting the ball to the guys who score the goals as quickly and as accurately as possible. They are the people in the team who matter most, because they put the ball in the net. They need time and space. The longer you spend on the ball, the more it denies them that. I still believe my education was right then, is right today and will be right in 100 years time".


 Abrahams asked to be substituted due to injury, hence the striker for striker sub.



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I unfortunately was there today, and it was a disgrace.

The players are quite happy to lap up the plaudits last week, and dance in front of the supporters, however today there were many of them who quite frankly could not be arsed. When they were told so after the game, some weren't happy to hear some home truths. Funny how some of them run their balls off last Saturday, but today suffer a severe case of Idontfancyititis

Onto Aveley on Monday, but if we play like today, start planning for the Ryman.

Disgraceful and for the first time this season, I'm fuming.


 Hopefully, such home truths will reap dividends! 


Well done on giving the constructive feedback, it is exactly what is needed, as too many of the key people are burying their heads in the sand about what has been going on unchanged for many months, as by this stage of the season the table doesnt lie. 

I looked at the table yesterday and thought we were looking a bit doomed, adrift again and teams above us have points advantages and games in hand, and looking at the forthcoming fixtures thinking where are the wins going to come from.

But then Bexleylion's post struck me as really useful, as he made the point we have scored and conceded lots pretty much equally recently. He's right, looking at our last 6 league games November onwards we have W2 D2 L2, getting 8 points out of a possible 18, which is better than I had realised, and may be good enough to keep us up if we could maintain that type of form. The 6 games are a mad set of results, winning 4 - 1 and 4 - 3, and losing 1 - 4 and 2 - 4. 

 

 

 



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I unfortunately was there today, and it was a disgrace.

The players are quite happy to lap up the plaudits last week, and dance in front of the supporters, however today there were many of them who quite frankly could not be arsed. When they were told so after the game, some weren't happy to hear some home truths. Funny how some of them run their balls off last Saturday, but today suffer a severe case of Idontfancyititis

Onto Aveley on Monday, but if we play like today, start planning for the Ryman.

Disgraceful and for the first time this season, I'm fuming.


 Hopefully, such home truths will reap dividends! 


 Well, let's hope that the players that go out on the pitch tomorrow night fully understand that we back our manager. We expect them to do the same by putting in a huge effort. We respect players that try and will sing their names accordingly but, as Dean states above, how on earth can we play like we did against Yeovil and then produce yesterday's performance?

Danny is right up against it with injuries but we've just got to get on with it. It's a contact sport and the players that can still run must give blood, sweat and tears. 

 

 

 



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It just doesn't seem right that Aveley and Chelmsford can get away with playing their midweek matches on a Monday night. We just need to get on with it and show some fight. Those not ready for the relegation battle should be shown the door. I fully back Bloor and as long as we remain competitive I would still back him next season, even if we go down and he has to build his own team from scratch.



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