I no longer go home from games in a depressed state, purely because IMO relegation is now a foregone conclusion. However, what is probably more important is where we stand as far as PVR is concerned. Somebody needs to come out and make a statement, I fully realise that the "owners" would wish to stay in the background and say nothing because they have an overriding financial stake in the future, however, we have a CEO who I understand is very good, but we have heard nothing from her about the way the Club is going. Nobody is going to tell us if we are being sold down the river, but, whilst this silence pertains all sorts of conspiracy theories will aboud. Danny does not appear to have the resources to keep us up, but we long suffering supporters are certainly entitled to some inkling in respect of what the future beholds
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I no longer go home from games in a depressed state, purely because IMO relegation is now a foregone conclusion. However, what is probably more important is where we stand as far as PVR is concerned. Somebody needs to come out and make a statement, I fully realise that the "owners" would wish to stay in the background and say nothing because they have an overriding financial stake in the future, however, we have a CEO who I understand is very good, but we have heard nothing from her about the way the Club is going. Nobody is going to tell us if we are being sold down the river, but, whilst this silence pertains all sorts of conspiracy theories will aboud. Danny does not appear to have the resources to keep us up, but we long suffering supporters are certainly entitled to some inkling in respect of what the future beholds
Yes we really need a statement from the boardroom concerning the clubs future.
I'd like to see the club back Bloor with a contract until the end of the 2024/25 season. Then, let him start to build a squad for next season- whatever division we are in. Abrahams and Kain on 18 months contracts would be a good start. They could score 50 between them at the level below with the right service. I don't see a need to cut admission prices next season, nor will attendances drop if we are competitive so a similar budget can be maintained. If its dropped any further we will be staring down the barrel of a double relegation.
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I no longer go home from games in a depressed state, purely because IMO relegation is now a foregone conclusion. However, what is probably more important is where we stand as far as PVR is concerned. Somebody needs to come out and make a statement, I fully realise that the "owners" would wish to stay in the background and say nothing because they have an overriding financial stake in the future, however, we have a CEO who I understand is very good, but we have heard nothing from her about the way the Club is going. Nobody is going to tell us if we are being sold down the river, but, whilst this silence pertains all sorts of conspiracy theories will aboud. Danny does not appear to have the resources to keep us up, but we long suffering supporters are certainly entitled to some inkling in respect of what the future beholds
Yes we really need a statement from the boardroom concerning the clubs future.
I'd like to see the club back Bloor with a contract until the end of the 2024/25 season. Then, let him start to build a squad for next season- whatever division we are in. Abrahams and Kain on 18 months contracts would be a good start. They could score 50 between them at the level below with the right service. I don't see a need to cut admission prices next season, nor will attendances drop if we are competitive so a similar budget can be maintained. If its dropped any further we will be staring down the barrel of a double relegation.
I was with you until you said Abrahams and Kain new 18 month contracts. i doubt Kain will stay here until the end of the season, let alone next season. But Abrahams I would not get him back at all. He is the laziest player I have ever seen, yes he did well against Yeovil but nothing else that warrants a contract at all. I would sooner play an academy striker up top that him, especially with the money he is probably on.
Tristan was misplayed as a lone striker, which wasted him, as he is not a lone striker as won't win headers against defenders, cant hold up the ball to lay it off to oncoming midfield players as our midfield players dont have the suss to support a striker, which left him isolated up front. I guess Danny was used to successfully playing one up front at Eastbourne, so used that same tactic here, and didnt realise it only works if the player in attack is suited to playing on their own, and getting supply, which isnt the case with us. Hence Tristan getting visibly demoralised, rather than being lazy. It must have been a drag chasing after balls knowing if you won it, no one on your team would have run to get the pass from you. And getting in great shooting positions and not getting a pass.
Since we moved to giving him a partner in attack he has been reenergised. So I would love to see him re-sign, now we have finally moved him into a joint striking role, which improves the team enormously, and him in particular.
Unfortunately I think Danny has a blind spot about all this, complaining he doesn't score in open play, and overlooking the fact when he played on his own up front he was so tightly marked and had so few passes he was unlikely to score. Antony really gets the sort of passes Tristan needs, passes in front of him, curling into his path, for him to get on the end of.
Antony's height and strength make him an excellent option as a target man in attack if ever a manager chooses to explore that option, as his striking is good close up, but his shooting from distance is ineffective, so a move to playing closer to goal would benefit Antony.
I no longer go home from games in a depressed state, purely because IMO relegation is now a foregone conclusion. However, what is probably more important is where we stand as far as PVR is concerned. Somebody needs to come out and make a statement, I fully realise that the "owners" would wish to stay in the background and say nothing because they have an overriding financial stake in the future, however, we have a CEO who I understand is very good, but we have heard nothing from her about the way the Club is going. Nobody is going to tell us if we are being sold down the river, but, whilst this silence pertains all sorts of conspiracy theories will aboud. Danny does not appear to have the resources to keep us up, but we long suffering supporters are certainly entitled to some inkling in respect of what the future beholds
Yes we really need a statement from the boardroom concerning the clubs future.
I'd like to see the club back Bloor with a contract until the end of the 2024/25 season. Then, let him start to build a squad for next season- whatever division we are in. Abrahams and Kain on 18 months contracts would be a good start. They could score 50 between them at the level below with the right service. I don't see a need to cut admission prices next season, nor will attendances drop if we are competitive so a similar budget can be maintained. If its dropped any further we will be staring down the barrel of a double relegation.
I was with you until you said Abrahams and Kain new 18 month contracts. i doubt Kain will stay here until the end of the season, let alone next season. But Abrahams I would not get him back at all. He is the laziest player I have ever seen, yes he did well against Yeovil but nothing else that warrants a contract at all. I would sooner play an academy striker up top that him, especially with the money he is probably on.
Dipo was average for us until he got some goals, got more service and his confidence went up. I don't think Abrahams best position is up front on his own and I'm not sure Kains best position is as a striker either. As far as the players are concerned they may not want to stick with the club if we go down. But staying with a manager that believes in them is always a good idea for their career and wellbeing. I don't think Jephte Tanga has made a good move in going to Maidstone. He won't start for them every week.
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Isn't this thread about ground development?
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anything until its confirmed we're relegated. As alluded to by others, it would turn out rather convenient for some.
Woah folks, now hold on just a minute with all this talk of relegation.
Yes, I know we are 8 points below safety, with 20 games to go. But January will be really revealing of it we have a chance of survival or not, as looking at January fixtures, the other relegation candidates have tough games against higher teams (so hopefully will drop points in them) or against each other (as as both teams can't win a match, one or both teams will drop points in those games)
so ... dramatic drum roll... IF we can get some wins in January (and on the basis of our last 3 games I know we can) there is a decent chance we will close some of that 8 point gap. As I have said more than once, "It is a big effing mistake to ever underestimate Welling"! So let's watch and see how January unrolls before we think of saying farewell to National League South. Taunton lost 0 - 3 yesterday, after all their player departures, and have a fixture pile up after lots of postponements, so we could well close the gap on them.
Truro's low attendances after playing home games 50 miles away in Plymouth show the impact travelling makes on fan numbers, an idea strikes me, now national league south games are televised I wonder if we could screen games at PVR, that would be fun and sociable, and a money maker for the club if they charge for admission to watch the screenings and also make money on drinks and help fans that cant make long journeys.
Certainly did not look like a massacre when I have been driving past. i think I only saw one tree down but will take another look later when I drive past later today. Might have felled some more since.
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I thought permission is normally required from the LA to fell any mature tree unless in a dangerous/diseased condition. Frustrated at not being allowed to hack Danson Park about perhaps the lumberjacks now satisfied? Once down, you can't stick them back together that's for sure.
I thought permission is normally required from the LA to fell any mature tree unless in a dangerous/diseased condition. Frustrated at not being allowed to hack Danson Park about perhaps the lumberjacks now satisfied? Once down, you can't stick them back together that's for sure.
Greenwich let Blackheath Rugby club vandalise the old Hervey Road sports ground. This was a ground used by locals myself and Smudge included that Greenwich handed over to the egg chasers for a peppercorn rent. They felled trees that were homes to Bats and got away with it. They rented out part to private schools and stopped locals using it as general public not DBS checked.
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Once a property developer has land in it's sights it's game over - PVR is prime land and the football club will be gotten rid of if the greedy developer can pay off enough people
Once a property developer has land in it's sights it's game over - PVR is prime land and the football club will be gotten rid of if the greedy developer can pay off enough people
I think it is very important that the supporters go to Bexley Council and ask the pitch at PVR be granted section 106 protection. From what I understand this ensures it remains open space and connot have a car park etc built on it. That would thwart any plans for the future to construct more flats on the site.
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'Welling United plans for a hideous redevelopment of Park View Road look like coming to nothing. They appear not to have applied for planning permission, and that had to be in by November.
However the academy who are seperate to the club are looking to build a ground in Foots Cray. A company called GB10 are involved. The owner of GB10 also has another company called Greenwich Borough'.
I note that the directors of GB10 have resigned as directors of Welling United C.I.C this month. Although they remain directors of the Academy, could this be due to bad publicity regarding the trees that were felled.
'Welling United plans for a hideous redevelopment of Park View Road look like coming to nothing. They appear not to have applied for planning permission, and that had to be in by November.
However the academy who are seperate to the club are looking to build a ground in Foots Cray. A company called GB10 are involved. The owner of GB10 also has another company called Greenwich Borough'.
I note that the directors of GB10 have resigned as directors of Welling United C.I.C this month. Although they remain directors of the Academy, could this be due to bad publicity regarding the trees that were felled.
What is more concerning is will the new facility in Footscray be used by a new Greenwich Borough FC. And have the directors resigned because the club is in such a bad financial position? All very worrying.
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'Welling United plans for a hideous redevelopment of Park View Road look like coming to nothing. They appear not to have applied for planning permission, and that had to be in by November.
However the academy who are seperate to the club are looking to build a ground in Foots Cray. A company called GB10 are involved. The owner of GB10 also has another company called Greenwich Borough'.
I note that the directors of GB10 have resigned as directors of Welling United C.I.C this month. Although they remain directors of the Academy, could this be due to bad publicity regarding the trees that were felled.
Why does NLM state planning application had to be in by November. I know it is dragging on and I check the Bexley council website most days. Did not think there is a timescale by the council to make an application only to fulfill all the conditions if (big if in my opinion) granted. The timescale to submit should have been set by the club with penalty clauses if passed.
Also NLM has stated the academy site is Footscray. They should check their facts. The location is on the border of Eltham and New Eltham in Footscray Road around 4.5 miles from Footscray.
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When other clubs go for new grounds or redevelopment they shout it from the roof tops with pride. They keep fans updated with news of what's going on, any pre-planning applications, changes to plans, meetings with the council, the league etc. Nothing at all from us. Anyone surprised by this? Biggest issue will be the delays to the planning process and delays to the build itself with the unforeseen issues which we can guarantee will happen. However long we are expected to be away from PVR I would guess it won't be correct and the fan base will dwindle. I would prefer us to stay at PVR until the last possible moment.
As for high costs maintaining PVR you only need an extra 100 adults paying £15 and you have an healthy income, especially as we have 5 games in Feb alone - £7500 in one month. Paul Whitehead was successful in getting extra people in and new sponsorship deals but currently the club seems happy to see it out as we are and limp out of PVR like a stray dog looking for shelter.
If we leave PVR this summer then I expect we will be away for at least 3 seasons, and quite possibly more. I think 2 years to complete the development is pushing it and that's from 'spades in the ground'.
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I was pleased with the WUSA meeting last night, Matt explained the options available, so something that initially sounds screwy (Welling playing home games in Tonbridge) has logic when you start to realise it may be the best practical option. And if it is (and to be honest, if we have to move out during a development and are committed to playing in a NLS standard ground, then it looks like Tonbridge is the most viable option) then the next stage is to work out how best to make it as practical as possible for fans to go to, ie coaches from Welling to Tonbridge.
Looking at the National League streaming channel, they charge individuals £9.50 for one match streaming, or £22 for a month. Social venues are charged £180 for a match streaming, no price mentioned for the cost of a month social streaming, maybe they could come up with a price if asked. But at present that means Welling could stream a midweek match and show it in the bar for £180, and if 18 fans paid £9.50 to watch it, and a few drinks were bought, that would cover the £180 cost. If more fans attended the price per fan could drop.
I watched some World Cup matches at the Welling bar, it was a great atmosphere, much better than staying at home watching it on tv. So as there is no way I could make midweek home games played at Tonbridge, streaming at PVR would be a sound solution.
I was pleased with the WUSA meeting last night, Matt explained the options available, so something that initially sounds screwy (Welling playing home games in Tonbridge) has logic when you start to realise it may be the best practical option. And if it is (and to be honest, if we have to move out during a development and are committed to playing in a NLS standard ground, then it looks like Tonbridge is the most viable option) then the next stage is to work out how best to make it as practical as possible for fans to go to, ie coaches from Welling to Tonbridge.
Looking at the National League streaming channel, they charge individuals £9.50 for one match streaming, or £22 for a month. Social venues are charged £180 for a match streaming, no price mentioned for the cost of a month social streaming, maybe they could come up with a price if asked. But at present that means Welling could stream a midweek match and show it in the bar for £180, and if 18 fans paid £9.50 to watch it, and a few drinks were bought, that would cover the £180 cost. If more fans attended the price per fan could drop.
I watched some World Cup matches at the Welling bar, it was a great atmosphere, much better than staying at home watching it on tv. So as there is no way I could make midweek home games played at Tonbridge, streaming at PVR would be a sound solution.
So does wusa anticipate the development is very much still on despite lack of official updates?
I was pleased with the WUSA meeting last night, Matt explained the options available, so something that initially sounds screwy (Welling playing home games in Tonbridge) has logic when you start to realise it may be the best practical option. And if it is (and to be honest, if we have to move out during a development and are committed to playing in a NLS standard ground, then it looks like Tonbridge is the most viable option) then the next stage is to work out how best to make it as practical as possible for fans to go to, ie coaches from Welling to Tonbridge.
Looking at the National League streaming channel, they charge individuals £9.50 for one match streaming, or £22 for a month. Social venues are charged £180 for a match streaming, no price mentioned for the cost of a month social streaming, maybe they could come up with a price if asked. But at present that means Welling could stream a midweek match and show it in the bar for £180, and if 18 fans paid £9.50 to watch it, and a few drinks were bought, that would cover the £180 cost. If more fans attended the price per fan could drop.
I watched some World Cup matches at the Welling bar, it was a great atmosphere, much better than staying at home watching it on tv. So as there is no way I could make midweek home games played at Tonbridge, streaming at PVR would be a sound solution.
So does wusa anticipate the development is very much still on despite lack of official updates?
Jimmie....PVR will be a building site, there won't be any bar's
So now that we have addressed the elephant in the room, what are peoples thoughts on the apparent move to Tonbridge?
It would appear this is pretty much set in stone, so maybe nows the time to offer any practical ideas people may have.
Personally, if the project were considering a option of Cray Wanderers at 6 figures, they should be able to provide funding for Tonbridge at 5 figures.
This is where our team need to be cute.
We know PVR is no longer viable, but need to have some form of poker hand, if only holding low figures.
To make the supporters fully fund this move is impracticable.
Take a leaf out of Truros book.
So now that we have addressed the elephant in the room, what are peoples thoughts on the apparent move to Tonbridge? It would appear this is pretty much set in stone, so maybe nows the time to offer any practical ideas people may have. Personally, if the project were considering a option of Cray Wanderers at 6 figures, they should be able to provide funding for Tonbridge at 5 figures. This is where our team need to be cute. We know PVR is no longer viable, but need to have some form of poker hand, if only holding low figures. To make the supporters fully fund this move is impracticable. Take a leaf out of Truros book.
Honestly I'd prefer it if we took a bitter pill of a double relegation and dropped to the Isthmian South East and moved somewhere more local. But I can understand the decision that seems to have been made.
I also hope Erith and Belvedere can now go on and find their own stadium. Bexley Council should help them.
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I wonder if the development could leave scope for us to use the bar though. The development is only at one end of the ground facing the main road, the other sides are pretty much left unchanged.
So as long as safe access to it is in place, the side with the bars in maybe could be used as the hub to give the club a much needed local focal point while home games are played at Tonbridge.
A question I asked that wasnt answered at the meeting was have the plans changed at all since they were presented to the fans in the summer? That is important as it is silly doing a consultation if the responses were ignored.
As time goes on I wonder what the benefit for the fans from the development actually is, less viewing at each end of the ground if the pitch is shifted to make way for flats isnt an improvement. I get the owner will make tons of money, and then no doubt want to cash in and sell the club once that money has been made, so it is great for the owner, but as a fan I dont see what is in it for me.