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Wallop


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Out of curiosity, do we pay E&B for the use of their changing rooms?
If so, how much?

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I'm led to believe we do.

I was under the impression that they pay little or nothing towards water/electric or pitch maintenance. (Happy  to be proved wrong). So if this is correct, the fact they charge us to use it is morally wrong.



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Riverstown wrote:

Jimmie WTF are you on about. I havent seen the Erith and Belvedere bar open all season except for perhaps the Charlton friendly. Are people sneaking in and serving themselves without paying anyone. If so Id like to know how coz I might nip in and have a free pint or two. Out of interest has anyone else seen E&Bs bar open on our match days this season?

 Our Johnny, it is paramount that you not only listen to fellow posters but also refrain from making reckless statements which are, at best, ill-informed.

Thank you for your continued cooperation.

The Poet, I haven't made reckless ill informed comments on E&B, I have said what I have seen with my own eyes.

In life there is the risk when saying anything one may be wrong, and I make mistakes like everyone does.

The E&B guy denied it ever happened, then when I stuck to my guns, as I knew what I had seen, he backtracked a bit, and tried to change the subject to make it appear I had been talking about something different to what I had raised in the first place.

He will be at the Wednesday meeting, so that will be handy to have all sides finally talking face to face, and tiding up any misunderstandings over when things have/ have not happened, and whether they will happen again in future. 



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Polo wrote:

I'm led to believe we do.

I was under the impression that they pay little or nothing towards water/electric or pitch maintenance. (Happy  to be proved wrong). So if this is correct, the fact they charge us to use it is morally wrong.

 So am I.

Furthermore think the price is near 4 figures per week.

So much for building bridges.



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Jimmie wrote:
The Poet wrote:
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Jimmie WTF are you on about. I havent seen the Erith and Belvedere bar open all season except for perhaps the Charlton friendly. Are people sneaking in and serving themselves without paying anyone. If so Id like to know how coz I might nip in and have a free pint or two. Out of interest has anyone else seen E&Bs bar open on our match days this season?

 Our Johnny, it is paramount that you not only listen to fellow posters but also refrain from making reckless statements which are, at best, ill-informed.

Thank you for your continued cooperation.

The Poet, I haven't made reckless ill informed comments on E&B, I have said what I have seen with my own eyes.

In life there is the risk when saying anything one may be wrong, and I make mistakes like everyone does.

The E&B guy denied it ever happened, then when I stuck to my guns, as I knew what I had seen, he backtracked a bit, and tried to change the subject to make it appear I had been talking about something different to what I had raised in the first place.

He will be at the Wednesday meeting, so that will be handy to have all sides finally talking face to face, and tiding up any misunderstandings over when things have/ have not happened, and whether they will happen again in future. 

 Exactly, Johnny, you made a mistake. Hopefully, you now accept that the E&B bar has NOT been open on our match days this season, as per Riverstown's post. At the time of writing, nobody else on this forum has substantiated your outlandish claim.  You must also realise that the mere implication could potentially amount to a breach of licensing regulations. Paul's comments seem straightforward enough in relation to the service of alcohol and it is highly unlikely that each and every Welling United supporter, thus far, has got this wrong. Moreover, your accusation of being 'abused' by Paul is unfounded. Please also refer to Danson Mark's post for reference. We are keen to iron out any problems from the outset, not create problems that are unnecessary.

As much as we welcome passionate supporters at Welling United Football Club, we are fully committed to ensuring that a true and accurate account is maintained, whenever possible.

As always, if we've got this wrong and people have been right on it, in the E&B bar, we stand corrected & good luck to 'em.

 

P.S. Keep schtum but we're 'avin' a 'lock-in' in the bar, after the Truro game. Well... come on...

 

If the Wings are United...

 



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I have had a quick look over the plans this morning and there are two major issues in the plan for me.

Firstly, from April 2024, all small build projects must have a biodiversity net gain (BNG) of at least 10%, with some councils even wanting 20%. Our plans currently have a biodiversity net loss of 33.12% and this has considered green roofs, new planting areas, ornamental tree planting and green walls etc.

The only way I can see this project reaching the 10% BNG is possibly from an alteration of the proposed layout to allow retention of woodland habitat. In it's current format, the planning application will be rejected. This is certainly something I will be mentioning next Wednesday as hopefully Lita can provide some clarity on this.

Secondly, no car park is an issue and it is unrealistic to expect everyone to cycle. Side streets will be completely clogged up and this will receive pushback from local residents and other stakeholders.

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This biodiversity is the biggest load of bollox I have heard.
I get that is what the planning want, but FFS, take a look behind the park end goal.
Think there's acres of it.

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Wallop wrote:

This biodiversity is the biggest load of bollox I have heard.
I get that is what the planning want, but FFS, take a look behind the park end goal.
Think there's acres of it.

 I agree but unfortunately it's required!



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Im am advised by friends involved with building that car parking is no longer an issue for a lot of local authorities. If a development has reasonable public transport access (which PVR has with 4 daytime bus routes) then car parking space is not needed. I read an article recently about a larger development than PVR in Canning Town. No car parking but a footbridge to the station. 2 small developments on my estate with the provisional plans giving cycle storeage and no parking for residents. 



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The Poet, you are cool, I know you're on my side, but it is time to calm your boots man, I've made no mistake. Have I ever said the E&B bar has been open on our match days this season? I'm more careful about what I say than I get credit for. Re-read what I said, and you see I said it happened, and I've seen it happen. But I didn't say it happened this season, others incorrectly said I said that. That is a red herring brought in by others to muddy the waters. But others here have also seen it happening, which is why I objected to Paul saying it's never happened and the suggestion is garbage, and unreasonably criticising me for saying it happened, when I and others had seen their facilities open on our matchdays.

I agree a constructive approach is needed, which is why I spoke on Twitter to Paul suggesting he attends the Wednesday meeting, so he can explain things from his perspective, instead of us all guessing what E&B think and want, and probably guessing wrong. It sounds as if he is coming.

This is all about going forward, the important thing is to make sure it doesn't happen again, that is more important than disagreeing over when it last happened. The development document says E&B are planning to find somewhere else to play, Paul's Twitter says they are planning to stay, so it will be a good chance to finally find out where the truth lies, and for all to see it clearly.

The light bulb of truth will shine, that's nice for E&B, as they are not that familiar with light bulbs.

Bloody hell, that secret social event could be a hell of a party, depending on how Saturday and Tuesday results go, we could be out of the bottom 4 by final whistle against Truro. Keep the faith!




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Squarevanmanthesecond wrote:

Im am advised by friends involved with building that car parking is no longer an issue for a lot of local authorities. If a development has reasonable public transport access (which PVR has with 4 daytime bus routes) then car parking space is not needed. I read an article recently about a larger development than PVR in Canning Town. No car parking but a footbridge to the station. 2 small developments on my estate with the provisional plans giving cycle storeage and no parking for residents. 

 Doing something very similar if you look out the window at West Ham (Jubilee Line), should you have the pleasure of travelling to that part of the world.



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Jimmie wrote:

The Poet, you are cool, I know you're on my side, but it is time to calm your boots man, I've made no mistake. Have I ever said the E&B bar has been open on our match days this season? I'm more careful about what I say than I get credit for. Re-read what I said, and you see I said it happened, and I've seen it happen. But I didn't say it happened this season, others incorrectly said I said that. That is a red herring brought in by others to muddy the waters. But others here have also seen it happening, which is why I objected to Paul saying it's never happened and the suggestion is garbage, and unreasonably criticising me for saying it happened, when I and others had seen their facilities open on our matchdays.

I agree a constructive approach is needed, which is why I spoke on Twitter to Paul suggesting he attends the Wednesday meeting, so he can explain things from his perspective, instead of us all guessing what E&B think and want, and probably guessing wrong. It sounds as if he is coming.

This is all about going forward, the important thing is to make sure it doesn't happen again, that is more important than disagreeing over when it last happened. The development document says E&B are planning to find somewhere else to play, Paul's Twitter says they are planning to stay, so it will be a good chance to finally find out where the truth lies, and for all to see it clearly.

The light bulb of truth will shine, that's nice for E&B, as they are not that familiar with light bulbs.

Bloody hell, that secret social event could be a hell of a party, depending on how Saturday and Tuesday results go, we could be out of the bottom 4 by final whistle against Truro. Keep the faith!

So, Johnny, to recap... it is crucial that we dig up PREVIOUS seasons when the E&B bar WAS open (as everybody knows) on our match days but... we mustn't in any way mention the fact that the E&B bar ISN'T open THIS season on our match days and the problem appears to have been resolved, pro tem. That's the ticket!

Of course we saw it happening in previous seasons, but not this season! Your posts were clearly suggesting that this is an ongoing situation which is why EVERYBODY took it as such. Even you can understand that. Not one person confirmed you were talking about previous seasons and, in fact, NEITHER DID YOU!! Until, of course, after the horse had well & truly bolted.

In any event, why on earth (no pun intended) would you rake up old ground as you have? It doesn't make sense and it doesn't look great Johnny, trust me. You really know that anyway. As you, yourself, have said, red herrings & muddy waters... hmmm.

Chance to redeem yourself by giving us some more stats. You rarely make mistakes with your stats & this is clearly your forte. As you are aware, our little group has worked with many on the spectrum over the years which is why we have to be fair & square with everybody. No favourites, no exceptions. Anybody can get pulled, including me (goodness me?) To date, you have got off lightly (& you know it) so make sure that ice stays thick, Mr. West Side.

As we speak, we are trying to build bridges with E&B so please bear that in mind when planning your next message to Paul. Keep it civil without attacking him. Give him a fair crack of the whip. Again, please refer to Danson Mark's recent post.

Finally, rather than planning your next wayward response, concentrate on your question for our upcoming meeting next week.

 

Verdict: Forget about the E&B past and focus on the present & the future. Don't forget the stats. Stats not flats(?!)

 

 



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Jimmie wrote:

The Poet, you are cool, I know you're on my side, but it is time to calm your boots man, I've made no mistake. Have I ever said the E&B bar has been open on our match days this season? I'm more careful about what I say than I get credit for. Re-read what I said, and you see I said it happened, and I've seen it happen. But I didn't say it happened this season, others incorrectly said I said that. That is a red herring brought in by others to muddy the waters. But others here have also seen it happening, which is why I objected to Paul saying it's never happened and the suggestion is garbage, and unreasonably criticising me for saying it happened, when I and others had seen their facilities open on our matchdays.

I agree a constructive approach is needed, which is why I spoke on Twitter to Paul suggesting he attends the Wednesday meeting, so he can explain things from his perspective, instead of us all guessing what E&B think and want, and probably guessing wrong. It sounds as if he is coming.

This is all about going forward, the important thing is to make sure it doesn't happen again, that is more important than disagreeing over when it last happened. The development document says E&B are planning to find somewhere else to play, Paul's Twitter says they are planning to stay, so it will be a good chance to finally find out where the truth lies, and for all to see it clearly.

The light bulb of truth will shine, that's nice for E&B, as they are not that familiar with light bulbs.

Bloody hell, that secret social event could be a hell of a party, depending on how Saturday and Tuesday results go, we could be out of the bottom 4 by final whistle against Truro. Keep the faith!


 Bloody hell. Youre embarrassing. You now agree that E&B bar isnt open during our match days. Youre going back to previous seasons when it was for a while open. We all knew that.  E&B started opening their bar on our match days when Welling Utd started opening our bar on their match days ( As Pure Sports Bar). It was originally a tit for tat thing. Please shut up. You are wrong. Admit it and move on. 



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I just hope our owners haven't had a change of plans, and are going to break it to us that, after careful consideration of the options next season, we will be playing our home games at... Taunton!

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re carpark space if people look at the flats which have been built in bexlyheath you find there is no carpark space and people have been parking in the side streets around the ground for a good number of years so I can not see this a reason for the council to say no to the development

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There is a new block of flats in the planning stage not far from Eltham church. 49 1&2 bed flats. Blue badge parking only apparently. Greater London is anti car thanks to Sadiq Khan.

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Sadiq Khan and the GLA's published views on parking for new developments is as follows:

"New developments will be expected to be designed around people walking, cycling and using public transport, provide sufficient quantities of good quality cycle parking and make financial contributions to improvements to sustainable travel infrastructure in the local area as appropriate. This is in line with the ambitious mode shift aim in my transport strategy. "


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I do hope Jimmie that you heed The Poets advice for Wednesdays meeting and listen carefully to what is said.



-- Edited by Two ells in Welling on Friday 23rd of February 2024 11:12:37 AM

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People wishing to attend the meeting will have to email matthewmein@googlemail.com to book a place. That is also the email address for people to submit questions

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Maybe this lady would like to.



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Might be the wrong place to post this, but Tonbridge are advertising a ground share opportunity - Welling not done ?

www.tonbridgeangels.co.uk/first-team-news/groundshare-opportunity/5161

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AJM Wings wrote:

Might be the wrong place to post this, but Tonbridge are advertising a ground share opportunity - Welling not done ?

www.tonbridgeangels.co.uk/first-team-news/groundshare-opportunity/5161

 Definitely the correct place to post this, AJM Wings.

Appears that Tonbridge are covering their arse, should something go awry. They cannot risk jeopardising the club's finances.



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Thanks The Poet, hopefully we may get the answers we need tomorrow evening

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Something really important, that I am unsure about, as I am so removed from the people making the decisions, is just how much flexibility and understanding NLS would have towards our temporary situation while the development is underway.

With us and our attendances, we only need a 2000 capacity stadium, just to cater for the rare times we play local rivals like Dartford and Charlton. I see Slough have a 2000 capacity stadium, so an exception has been made for them to play in a less than NLS require 4000 capacity stadium, so if an exception has been made for them, why cant it be made for us to play in a way below 4000 capacity stadium? Then we could play in a much wider choice of local grounds, that we can easily travel to.

I guess some fans watch NLS as it's cheaper than League football, but once costs of travel to Tonbridge onto the ticket price is added on, it then costs as much as a League match. And with attendances already down because of general money shortages, playing at a ground with even fewer fans watching is a big mistake that can be avoided if a strong case is made to NLS to show flexibility towards us for 2 years while we develop a ground that greatly benefits NLS by improving an NLS team's facilities.

Everything I heard suggests the only consideration followed by the owners is playing in an NLS compliant stadium, it feels as if we havent been creative in trying to discuss alternatives with them. So the meeting helps practicalities of all this be more clear. It will attract a wider attendance than WUSA members, as it has been publicly advertised, so fascinating to see views expressed, the recent WUSA meeting shared so much that wasnt publicly available, this meeting will too, so if you havent booked a place do so. And if The Poet is reading, I'll be there in a black adidas baseball cap, so feel free to say hi if you want, as it is always nice to put a face to a name, and same applies to all others.

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