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Obviously it would be all too easy to gloat over Dartford's deserved pathetic relegation after the way they recklessly sneered at our bus stop. Karma!

But we are bigger than that, we have the moral high ground, as we finished 8 points and 4 places above them. 

They had Dowse as manager, and Martin Tyler as assistant, how could it possibly go wrong? Then repeat manager not quite a winner club legend Tony Burman, who did even worse. And then the inspired choice of ex Welling manager Ady Pennock, who was the obvious choice to take over with his NLS credentials proven by his erratic managerial record in Brunei, Singapore or whatever National league he could get into. 

What words of encouragement can we give them to save them from successive relegations, never to play in NLS again? 



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Odin73 wrote:

Things could be worse , they could have you as a fan


 This is true Odin, but Johnny supports Bromley & West Ham... and York... and...errr... a touch of Wealdstone? Chuck in Wings to make up the 5 way scarf (a 3 way got a previous mention) but never get to Dartford!



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Jimmie just be careful not to gloat excessively, even if we can have bragging rights at present.. We were very close to joining them remember



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Jimmie just be careful not to gloat excessively, even if we can have bragging rights at present.. We were very close to joining them remember


 This is very true, we was definitely heading that way, well said  



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N Jones wrote:
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Jimmie just be careful not to gloat excessively, even if we can have bragging rights at present.. We were very close to joining them remember


 This is very true, we was definitely heading that way, well said  


 Too true a little gloat but not too much. I think some of their fans are hopeful they will get a reprieve if Truro cannot convince the league they have a waterproof ground next season. Obviously they hope to go to langarth. Planning permission was granted on 15th February but I dont know how far building works have gone. Anything like Cray Wanderers it may take a bit longer than expected.



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It is interesting to chat with fans at our home games and see quite a few are fans of other local clubs that come to watch our game when their other team is playing away. They have a more balanced neutral view of us, which is interesting to hear, as the risk of being a fan is one can be blind to the faults - or qualities - in one's team. So I was struck by comments of a Charlton fan who watched us in I think it was Rod's first home game, and the fan said about Danny, "You should have got rid of him two months ago." Bearing in mind the love in Welling fans had towards Danny, Alan being the only one who voiced any concerns, even though we'd been bottom 4 for all but a week of the season, and had only won 5/28 games with Danny, it was a surprise and thought provoking to hear a critical comment about him.

But there is a really clear sighted interview with the Dartford chairman, where he is looking at what went wrong with Dartford this season, and one of their mistakes he sees in retrospect, is that they took too long to make the managerial change. www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/sport/darts-chairman-shocked-by-relegation-305677/ I've been reading their fan forum during our relegation battle just to see how they were dealing with their own relegation battle, and they pretty much see the same reasons as the chairman. It reflects well on our owners that unlike Dartford they recognised in time it wasnt working with the manager, and that a change was made in enough time for a new manager to have a decent run of games to make a change.

I saw Dartford twice last season, in both games against us, they didnt impress at all, just a really uninspired team with no real quality. I casually thought of watching their home game against Hemel, as it affected our relegation chances, and would have been a dramatic game with so much on the line (it is now clear if Dartford had won that, they'd have stayed up and Hemel would have gone down)and amusing to see Dartford fans response to Dowse revisiting the team he had relegated, but the thought of voluntarily seeing dull Dartford play a third time was more than I could stand, and feel sorry for their fans having to watch that slog of a team each week.

It is not really gloating at their collapse, it is all banter, they would give us stick if we went down, so no problem in giving them stick as well.

Bearing in mind how many divisions there are, it is funny how we usually play in the same division as Dartford. When we were up in the National they were too. We got relegated to NLS, so did they. I just hope this doesnt mean we get relegated next season to join them below! Hopefully they will get promotion, as a packed PVR is a great sight to see. And there is still the chance Torquay's insolvency saves Dartford from relegation, as with 2 months to go until the NLS decide who plays in the leagues next season there is still no news about a buyer for Torquay, so Dartford may still avoid relegation. Incidentally, Taunton have sacked their manager. That's such a shame.

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Remember, there were four clubs worse than us. Same as last season. Comfortable enough in the end, on both occasions. Compare this to when we stayed up in 2014-2015(?) effectively at Alfreton away. Next season, alas, we came back down to Step 2.

Talking of stick, Alty have sold their away allocation and will be tough opposition for your Ravens.

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Dartford relegated. Bloody hell. When did this happen?

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Riverstown, it happened the moment their highly successful player signing process, which had got them 4 play offs in the last 6 completed seasons, was dropped to allow Dowse to sign the players and he picked poor players, and his team were unfit, so let in lots of late goals. A contrast to us, where under Rod we scored lots of late goals, which was a credit to our team's fitness.

Relegation's a bugger, players leave after relegation to avoid another season with an unsuccessful team, so it leads to a pretty much totally rebuilt team next season, trying to overcome obstacles of taking on very settled sides. Getting promoted is so tough, we were relegated from the National League in 2016, and apart from one season where we made the play offs haven't looked likely since to get back. So I wonder how long it will take Dartford to get back to the NLS? Relegated Dover and Havant will be well funded, and the Isthmian Premier teams finishing second to sixth were only separated by 6 points, so whoever goes up still leaves 4 successful teams. Dulwich and Cray Wanderers had bad seasons, but big potential resources, so unless saved by Torquay's insolvency, which actually looks more likely by the day, as the Vanarama AGM is second week in June, so Torquay have only 6 weeks to find a buyer and have that buyer convince they will be able to fulfill all fixtures next season. But if Dartford's relegation stands it is hard to see Dartford bouncing back straightaway. www.isthmian.co.uk/match-info/tables

I bet we'll have a massive rebuilding next season, no idea of Rod's views, they are the ones that count, but in my book I can't see us wanting to retain this season's strikers, three midfielders well worth retaining, and all our defence, but I heard another team is keen on lots of our defence, and if any of this turns out to be the case we'll need a near total rebuild, just like Dartford. Some lucky teams out there already declared their squads for next season, releasing as few as 3 or 4 players, but the hope is Rod can build a team over the summer that then stays with us the season after too. We've now had two midtable finishes in a row, so improved a lot over the 2 seasons before that which would have been relegation in a normal season. I think the gods of football support Welling! One of them even manages us!



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Jimmie wrote:

Relegated Dover and will be well funded.


 Do they have new investors that even their supporters don't know about? 



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My mistake Mark, I was assuming because Dover have recently been in the National League they would be in a sound financial position.

But I compounded that mistake by overlooking something Nigel told me about Dover that amused me a lot. I remember Paul Doswell saying how Welling are a sleeping giant, as we have such an untapped large catchment area as London is so populated, and there arent that many big clubs around. So chatting with Nigel about Torquay's problems he wisely mentioned something I'd not considered - the fact they and Dover are on the coast means half their catchment area is the sea!

Their attendances are a bit lower than ours, and maybe they have money issues, as their form over the past 3 years ain't great, w2/44 national league, w12/46 previous nls and now w4/46 this season, so w18/ 136 over the past 3 seasons isn't going to boost the finances.

At times like this we need to offer our advice to Dartford, to help them get back to NLS. Personally I think it is a shame that Taylor Curran has gone to Dubai, as otherwise I would have recommended him to Dartford to strengthen their defence. And bringing St Aimie out of retirement would greatly boost their attack. They would be mad to ignore this helpful advice!

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I'm getting pissed off with the continual childish rants from a certain person here re Dartford FC. Can we please close this thread and concentrate on OUR CLUB please!



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I'm getting pissed off with the continual childish rants from a certain person here re Dartford FC. Can we please close this thread and concentrate on OUR CLUB please!


 Well said Two ells. Our Johnny (JCL) does have his own thread in the off topic section ('General Football Thread') but appears to have given it the 'Spanish Archer' due to a lack of interest.

Reports suggest that Mr. Westside was last spotted at a ground in Ruislip, knocking out York City Wembley tickets, hoping to meet The Raider, The Raven, Dipo, Kieron St. Aimee & THAT manager who beat us in THAT play off final, somewhere down in Surrey.

 

Well...

 

If the Wings...

 

 



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Two ells in Welling and The Poet, you totally miss the point of this thread. It is based on friendly banter about them, just like they joke about us.

But it is also a Welling focus, as it is looking at what went wrong with them, so that we learn from those mistakes and don't make them ourselves.

And an update, as they are 6 weeks away from possibly being saved by Torquay's finances, and that unresolved issue is well worth us fans keeping an eye on, because despite what people here who dont understand football banter think, I would much rather we played a local rival like Dartford than a faraway team like Torquay. The club also wouldnt mind Dartford staying up, chatting with someone from the club while renewing my season ticket he was telling me if Dartford are down and Chatham dont get promoted via the play offs our lucrative Christmas double header would be against some fairly distant side that wouldn't be such a money maker for us.

As for "continual childish rants" that is more of an inaccurate childish rant at me. Give me a single example of one from me. I'll wait.

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Calm down Jimmie  in your words "it's only banter".



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So that's all right then!

It reminds me of some banter I fell into here, Wallop mentioned here about a change of rules on points affecting play offs, and that caught me totally by surprise, as I'd heard nothing about this. I googled it, nothing. NLS is so screwy it would be no surprise if they'd changed the rules without telling anyone... but still, it was all very odd. Then someone reminded of what day it had been posted on - April 1... I love wind ups and had fallen for it, as the best wind ups have a strand of believability about them. He'd have laughed his head off to see me googling his trap! Though obviously there could be no truth to the suggestion I make childish rants (just lucky no one has mentioned me falling into the trap of writing a 10 page reply to Riverstown the other day!).

Dartford have announced most of their players are leaving, their manager won't know their new league, it will be a new squad, hopefully we will have pre-season friendly against them, as it is unlikely we would play them otherwise for a couple of seasons.

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The entertainment value is second to none. Don't forget to 'google it' ... especially the whereabouts of Princes Park during cup matches. People can sometimes totally miss the point of this thread as it's only banter. Nu Shooooooooz.

More ring than Bow Bells. Definitely a Dartford fan.

Anyway, just off to Google who plays in Ruislip.

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Getting back to reality, this assertion that Dartford's relegation will have a significant impact on Welling's finances is unfounded. Sure, this fixture usually attracts a good crowd at PVR but is never 'packed'. There are other clubs in our league who will bring a decent following, like Maidstone (Johnny's tip for promotion), Tonbridge & potentially Chatham. There are a few others we could chuck in as well.
Dartford's relegation will not send us skint or anywhere near it.

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