We need to discuss as fans the future of our Football Club and put our views across to the owner.
Whatever happens this season, whether we stay up or go down, the club has fallen a long way in comparison to other clubs.
The ground, as much as we may love it is no longer fit for use. The idea we can just replace the concreate terracing behind the goals doesn't seem practical. Even having a plastic pitch on the site may not help as we still have a severe lack of parking. Also, once Then we have the Erith situation where by our using their bar and stocking our own drinks is impossible. So that would leave us with our own very poor existing facilities. Unless we can build on the street by Park View R.oad , then I don't think staying at PVR is a viable long term option for the club.
So the club needs, in my opinion to look at a nice site, to be funded by the council selling the ground for housing.
We need our own facility to make money 7 days a week. Plastic pitches, mini tennis, gym, bar, function room, creche, academy classrooms whatever. Several million should pay for it as well as 500 seats, and standing for another 3,000 with shelter behind the goals. If we get back to National level we can apply for FA funding to increase.
Danson Sports might be a suitable site but the club would have to own the leasehold.
If we stay at PVR I just can't see the club lasting another 10 years. People will then blame Howard, Paul, Matt whoever. But action needs to be taken NOW. This could be a good time to bring it up with councillors as there is a local election in May.
What are other peoples opinions?
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The Football club is in desperate need of total reform from top to bottom. One of the first steps we need to aim for is to bring stability onto the pitch, essentially keep a core squad of players and keep Ryan on if he shows he can be more adaptable tactically next season.
The 3G pitch will obviously be one of the main ways we can try and catch up to other clubs at this level of football. If we can utilise the pitch 7 days a week with a variety of community programmes, then it should net us 200,000 pounds annually minimum. Look at Maidstone for example, for who have profited every year from their astro since 2012. However, we need a plan for this sort of installation, just because we have one does not guarantee that it will net us profit unless we branch out successfully to the community. Considering other astros nearby such as the one at Welling School gets a lot of usage every year, this shouldn't be a problem, but you always need to be proactive.
Regarding what is going on at Erith and Belvedere, there is nothing we can do about that. It is a valid lease that means they can stay put for 25 years more, and ultimately we have to get on with it and fulfil the obligation. I do have my criticisms of the deal like most other Welling fans do, but Paul and the other hierarchy have been cooperative with us, and if it wasn't for their objection in 2024 to moving out of PVR, we could've been homeless potentially, so credit to them on that one.
Whilst finding scapegoats is easy at this current moment in time, it will not lead us anywhere in the long run. We as a fanbase blamed Goldberg for many years, but it only papered over the cracks, blaming Howard, Matt and Paul also is not going to lead to any solutions. Without Howard over the last 4 years, we would have had no ability to even pay for the basics, so I am eternally grateful that he has committed despite the massive net loss he is posting because of it.
If we can just stay in this league this season, it would give us a great foundation for the next few years. Step 4 is going to reduce our earnings considerably, and it could take us many years to get out of if we can't find consistency. The bottleneck regarding promotion at that level is not going anywhere even if 3UP get implemented, so avoiding it entirely would be most desirable. However, we deserve to go down this season. We have not been good enough, the table does not lie only Canvey are worse than us, and they are truly dross. Maybe going down is the kick up the backside the club needs to future-proofing our operations.
Desperate times...yes all great ideas if we can get the funding possibly available....the other main issue is the team....last season we were bad...this season we are worse. Go down and the manager needs to go asap...clearly no clue and in some ways living in cloud cuckoo land. Yesterdays interview we are told that they are doing really well..well second from bottom is not doing very well. 70 plus players is utter madness..no clue as to who will fit (yes I know not all Maxwells but his are as bad)
Go down and we really are in the backwaters of football....well you deserve what you get and shocking management and some poor decisions from the owner/board means we will get what we deserve...relegation and we are a laughing stock
Maxwell said that we have won 2 on the bounce a couple of times so its working...really!
But we are told it is exciting times for our club....mmmm!
We need to discuss as fans the future of our Football Club and put our views across to the owner.
Whatever happens this season, whether we stay up or go down, the club has fallen a long way in comparison to other clubs.
The ground, as much as we may love it is no longer fit for use. The idea we can just replace the concreate terracing behind the goals doesn't seem practical. Even having a plastic pitch on the site may not help as we still have a severe lack of parking. Also, once Then we have the Erith situation where by our using their bar and stocking our own drinks is impossible. So that would leave us with our own very poor existing facilities. Unless we can build on the street by Park View R.oad , then I don't think staying at PVR is a viable long term option for the club.
So the club needs, in my opinion to look at a nice site, to be funded by the council selling the ground for housing.
We need our own facility to make money 7 days a week. Plastic pitches, mini tennis, gym, bar, function room, creche, academy classrooms whatever. Several million should pay for it as well as 500 seats, and standing for another 3,000 with shelter behind the goals. If we get back to National level we can apply for FA funding to increase.
Danson Sports might be a suitable site but the club would have to own the leasehold.
If we stay at PVR I just can't see the club lasting another 10 years. People will then blame Howard, Paul, Matt whoever. But action needs to be taken NOW. This could be a good time to bring it up with councillors as there is a local election in May.
What are other peoples opinions?
I may not know much about how to run a football club. But I know that mend and make do eventually creates huge issues. I had to cautiously walk through a lake of urine in the toilets next the stairs up to the top floor bar the other week; the rather ugly scaffolding on the road end is functional and better than nowt, but it is unsightly. The terraces are not a place to take your kids, and the stands are not a whole lot better. The matchday offering is awful, and the cost is too high for the (lack of) quality that you see. This is going to worsen when the relegation comes.
The simple fact is, sitting around and hoping things work, when Welling has been probably 'too high' in the league pyramid given its income and what not, doesn't last forever. Respectfully to the owners and all those who love the club far more than I ever will, hoping that there will be a property deal when we all I think know deep down it's not coming and never will (the council will not want someone else to profit when they could do it, and nobody is approving that planning application!), is daft.
The way the Erith & Belvedere deal manifested itself was hilariously incompetent. I recall being told about it, whilst trying to sell pitchside adverts. You can buy the space from Erith at a cheaper price and receive the same result! I think they also get free water (?) and then, as people say, they open their bar on Wings matchdays and deprive Welling of revenue.
Bluntly, the whole thing is coming to a head now. And the club needs to be very ready for what life is like in an even lower league, where they probably shouldn't charge more than £10 per ticket, with attendances of about 300 (on a good day), no real reduction in travel costs, and no reduction in stadium maintenance costs. That will hurt.
We need to discuss as fans the future of our Football Club and put our views across to the owner.
Whatever happens this season, whether we stay up or go down, the club has fallen a long way in comparison to other clubs.
The ground, as much as we may love it is no longer fit for use. The idea we can just replace the concreate terracing behind the goals doesn't seem practical. Even having a plastic pitch on the site may not help as we still have a severe lack of parking. Also, once Then we have the Erith situation where by our using their bar and stocking our own drinks is impossible. So that would leave us with our own very poor existing facilities. Unless we can build on the street by Park View R.oad , then I don't think staying at PVR is a viable long term option for the club.
So the club needs, in my opinion to look at a nice site, to be funded by the council selling the ground for housing.
We need our own facility to make money 7 days a week. Plastic pitches, mini tennis, gym, bar, function room, creche, academy classrooms whatever. Several million should pay for it as well as 500 seats, and standing for another 3,000 with shelter behind the goals. If we get back to National level we can apply for FA funding to increase.
Danson Sports might be a suitable site but the club would have to own the leasehold.
If we stay at PVR I just can't see the club lasting another 10 years. People will then blame Howard, Paul, Matt whoever. But action needs to be taken NOW. This could be a good time to bring it up with councillors as there is a local election in May.
What are other peoples opinions?
I may not know much about how to run a football club. But I know that mend and make do eventually creates huge issues. I had to cautiously walk through a lake of urine in the toilets next the stairs up to the top floor bar the other week; the rather ugly scaffolding on the road end is functional and better than nowt, but it is unsightly. The terraces are not a place to take your kids, and the stands are not a whole lot better. The matchday offering is awful, and the cost is too high for the (lack of) quality that you see. This is going to worsen when the relegation comes.
The simple fact is, sitting around and hoping things work, when Welling has been probably 'too high' in the league pyramid given its income and what not, doesn't last forever. Respectfully to the owners and all those who love the club far more than I ever will, hoping that there will be a property deal when we all I think know deep down it's not coming and never will (the council will not want someone else to profit when they could do it, and nobody is approving that planning application!), is daft.
The way the Erith & Belvedere deal manifested itself was hilariously incompetent. I recall being told about it, whilst trying to sell pitchside adverts. You can buy the space from Erith at a cheaper price and receive the same result! I think they also get free water (?) and then, as people say, they open their bar on Wings matchdays and deprive Welling of revenue.
Bluntly, the whole thing is coming to a head now. And the club needs to be very ready for what life is like in an even lower league, where they probably shouldn't charge more than £10 per ticket, with attendances of about 300 (on a good day), no real reduction in travel costs, and no reduction in stadium maintenance costs. That will hurt.
Adapt or die.
Good post. Adapt or die is basically where I am coming from. There needs to be some form of development at PVR or its all over for the club. The deal with Danson is not a life saver for the club and nor will replacing some old concreate with new metal.
-- Edited by Chris on Sunday 1st of March 2026 06:39:32 PM
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False promises and lies, that is all that has been delivered over the past few years with our chairman in tow.
Dragged associates into the scene who offer out supporters.
Promise dreams of 4G pitches with no due diligence of their apparent sponsors.
Fantasyland flats being built with everyones front room windows being in line with the pitch goal line.
The whole Howard cycle has been an absolute farce, and anyone with an ounce of business acumen would have applied both due diligence and a captive financial down payment before suffering any of these third parties bollocks.
Instead we are at the point we have to rent out our supporters bought marquee to allow people to have their holy hour whilst us supporters are banished elsewhere.
Blame Goldburg as much as you like, but I bet you would struggle to get an argument out of a Bromley supporter.
Something has gone on behind the scenes with Goldburg, Howard and the GB10 mob. What? I dont know, but what I do know is that it appears to be a showmanship exercise
Regardless of who wins this biggest **** performance, it hasnt ended well for your humble supporter.
Would be nice to have a clear and unbiased offering from someone in the know.
I mentioned Dulwich before. Dulwich get a lot of stick for being full of parents, kids and dogs, all eating vegan food or some sort of quirky sourdough pizza. But they seem to be financially sound, and, whilst the football might not be the sole source of income (like Spurs!), it keeps things ticking.
So if you want to get Welling firing, you have to at least make sure it has a very sound financial footing, a widened fanbase, improved facilities, and people actually want to go and spend a few bob.
The commercial side needs to have some very strict goals, and they need to make sure that the matchday offering, as well as any other available revenue, is maximised. I recall the compartmentalisation of the bookings for parties and such in the bar, whereby the person who solely took the bookings got a commission on each party. The party was probably coming anyway, so it was just money lost. That has gone, I suspect, at least.
If Park View Road continues to look like something out of Call of Duty / Chernobyl, people are going to find suitable and better alternatives. If you're a neutral, and you want to take your kids out, there's no shortage of excellent alternatives and I always liked the atmosphere at VCD, for example.
Taking the whole lot out to Perry Street, however, is not a good idea. No transport, and a guaranteed major dip in gate fees. PVR needs to be a better stadium without flats, it's that simple. If that can't be delivered, especially given what Dartford Council did for Dartford, then Bexley Council need to sell up.
Leaving PVR may put us in a worse position for fans to get too. But it would be better to have a facility that makes potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds of income even if you lose a bit from your crowds being in an obscure location. Aveley and Cray Wands are good examples of this.
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