Best of luck to Keds, could make his career. Great that he's under contract and we'll get something out of it should he go.

Would be a shame to see him leave though...

Graham

That posting just goes to show you know absolutely NOTHING!!

 

Well Done!!

 

 

Harvey and the fact you bite at everything shows you are involved with the club

 

Tell you what i will tell you how much gold bond makes, then how much the gate receipts were AND the budget... Then you tell me where the 80k went???

Cos it aint gone on the budget or players. And it will go the same way as the 50k for keds.... and the money from the WSU.

Harvey YOU tell me where the 80k is??

You tell me IF we are going for it this season as Adie said we were last year when we were joint top. Harvey YOU tell me if the Money we get for keds will be announced and spent on players/budget?

 

You know a lot Harvey so maybe you can furnish us with answers. Spuddikins... I'm glad that although you are amongst those involved with WSU/Supporters team that you are having some concerns and you feel able to voice them. Respect! I respect your views more than a certain other person in this thread who has his tongue firmly up the clubs backside and Knows EVERYTHING! and BITES all the time.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh who could it be now as sting once sang?

 

FACTISSIMUNDO

We are budgeted to turnover and commercial income

We were over budget for attendances, Adie said he had brought in people on less than everyone he released. We made 80k for fa cup trophy wins and receipts. We fell from top of the league to 9th, bringing no EXTRA bodies in and said we will go for it next year. NOW we lose Gleds and Pins to lower league and miss out of 2 or 3 from Gravesend, and boothy and samuels and NOW we sign 2 from 2 leagues lower. NOW Keds may be going. Do you want me to go and scout in the Kent County League (The one below the Kent League??)

The Cup money v Club expenditure argument raises its head yet again with no new argument or response. The simple fact is that it is pure conjecture unless you have seen the accounts and supporting documentation and at best is guestimate of what money has come in and what has gone out. There is nothing inherently wrong with conjecture being posted provided it is clear that that is what it is. However the repeated posting merely serves to irritate.

Having said that I would suggest that as far as Cup revenue goes
On the income side it is not possible without seeing the cup gate receipt declarations which the home side make to know what has been offset against the ticket revenue (less the VAT) and there is a list as long as your arm as to what can be offset before the balance to be divided is determined. The only known facts are that we got £30,750 prizemoney (£18,750 in the FA Cup and £12,000 in the FA Trophy.)

On the expenditure side I doubt that any supporter knows what wages are being paid to the playing, management, and other staff; how much is paid out in bonuses; how much is spent on travel; how much is spent on the lease for PVR; how much is spent hiring training facilities; how much is spent on pitch maintenance, etc. etc.

As Moo has pointed out being a limited company the Club have to make annual returns to Companies House and this season's accounts will not be available until 2007. Until those accounts are made public it is only those maintaining and monitoring the accounts who know the FACTS.

Rather than posting the same old conjecture every time anything which has a monetary angle appears I would suggest that JgFc takes up Graham's offer to discuss matters of fact with supporters (which he reiterated in a telephone conversation with me on Monday and I have posted on several occasions.)

Tell you what bruno heres more figures (please i have UNDER estimated them...)

 

Charlton freindly lets say 1000 seats at 12 quid 12k

lets say another 1500 on the terraces (Conservative) at average of 8 quid?? another 12k

Coomes sponsorships 7k ish i heard from the club a few seasons ago

600 average crowd lets say at average of 7 quid thats 84k for the season

FA Cup / Trophy 80k

 

There we go thats without the friends of welling/wsu etc etc and advertising in ground/programme

 

195k  36 weeks PAID season 4k wage bill   144k paid out

 

51k left over.... Now add the bar takings, WSU events, Programmes, Gold Bond which raises THOUSANDS, Club Shop, Food, Hireing of the ClubHouse, Eriths Rent. Donations by some of the Vice Chairmen...

Why do you think i wont throw more money in while only 2 places above 9th have happened in 20 years?? Ive looked at the club and thought are they doing all they can to try to go up or challenge just once in a blue moon??

I told you they wouldnt go for it this season, I said they were unambitious.

 

Let GH phone you and tell you to remove this.....

 

What i am saying to you Bruno is that the club are milking money in and then demanding more from the fans and giving F all back. Great Pre Season eh Bruno??

And while im at it

 

Lets say the fa cup and trophy/receipts/bar takings/club shop/food/ for those cups is 60k!!!

If keds goes for a major fee... lets say 60k. Going on last season, not a penny will go to Ade.

Furthermore im off for 2 weeks to "get stuck in"

Dont question how i feel about the club , cut me i bleed Welling. But i dont lick backsides to further my own ego. Plus i now what i am talking about.

Its a waste and sad waste of what could be.

COME ON YOU WINGS!

 

see you in 2 weeks.

JgFc,

First things first I have not, and do not believe I have ever, queried how you feel about the Club - in fact if that is one of the differences I have with Graham which I’m sure he would confirm if you asked him. Your parting shot was therefore uncalled for.

I don’t intend responding to each and every guestimate and point that you have made in your flurry of posts. My point is that no matter how knowledgeable we may feel we are/may be about what income the Club has, without asking them directly or referring to published accounts (annual return and individual director reports are available from UKData Ltd for £18 each) we do not know and conjecture by definition is not fact.

I personally think, but don’t know, that some of what you have guestimated e.g. the Charlton game is pretty near the mark (just a bit on the low side.)

For what its worth my guestimate for the Cup and Trophy prize money plus the Huddersfield game is around about 60k and as far as our share of gate receipts for the remaining games I should imagine that in 4 of 7 matches we would be lucky if we broke into 4 figures.

As far as the wage bill goes I have never seen the Club publish that they have a wage bill of 4k a week but I don’t pick up on everything. Was this just the players and if so what about Ade, Phil, Dave Lawson, the fitness coach? I have no idea what the current players are earning but 4k seems a bit low based on what some players received in the past. Also I suspect that wages are paid for at least the pre-season and the season itself (which last year was I think you will find lasted 38 weeks) and I suspect that some players will have negotiated a retainer for the summer months.

As far as sponsorship and fundraising goes there is probably more than a grain of truth in what you say, for example the Golf day you suggested a couple of months back can be an earner – Faversham’s last year raised £5000.

What I personally find frustrating is your persistent banging on about the same thing and your point blank refusal to validate or otherwise your guestimates which in turn means that there can never be any resolution. All that happens is that every time you post it we get the anti JgFc stuff from certain quarters, irritation is felt by others and in many cases the subject matter of the original posting is lost as in this case where the subject was Keds being on trial at Brentford.

Anonymous has been very constructive in his posting - what have you got to lose by taking our suggestion positively.

-- Edited by bruno at 14:52, 2006-07-07

Sadly for Keds I think the writing may have been on the wall when Chris Moore was signed from the Daggers earlier in the week. When added to the signings of Wil****s from Posh and Kuffour from Torquay it makes the side topheavy with strikers.

-- Edited by bruno at 00:31, 2006-07-09

According to his last posting he's gone away for a couple of weeks.

Maybe he will find an internet cafe in that time.

Back on the Keds theme I understand he is injured at the moment which might explain his non appearance

Live from Stoke

 

Look Hobbins has continually slagged me off to others he has also Been ner the mark when it comes to phsyical attacks ( i will say no more bruno)

He Has his little soldiers who depite some of their actions get preferential treatment etc. I think they are even encouraged to cause trouble etc.

The clubs commercial dept is a shambles and the club have no ambition. The club have finished higher than 9th TWICE in 20 years. State they will always survive as they will never go in debt.

They made shall we say over 60k from cups plaus the charlton money. We were joint top they did nothing that you could REMOTELY say was going for it. Now in close season We lose players, some still wont sign contracts and we may lose Keds. With just the plaqyers in lower level and on scrap heaps coming in.

What i am saying is the club cut corners, have no ambition and tae the piss out the fans.

JgFc 

All the time Hobbins wants to slag me off to people (who then tell me)... he can forget it. They like a bit of gossip.  We cant even compete with lower league clubs for players . I wish people would wake up and not just devour what you are spoon fed and told to toe the line. You toe the welling line, ask no questions or you are made out to cause trouble.

i loo at money coming in, performances in the leagues and then judge. If you want to keep throwing money at the hobbins in exchange for nothing then go for it. Until he leaves or injects cash i wont go and the club wins nothing.

Anonymous wrote:

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bruno wrote: Rather than posting the same old conjecture every time anything which has a monetary angle appears I would suggest that JgFc takes up Graham's offer to discuss matters of fact with supporters (which he reiterated in a telephone conversation with me on Monday and I have posted on several occasions.) As Bruno said why don’t you take him up on his offer, I think it's about time we all sorted out all our problems together. Get questions answered by the club and lay to rest all the past squabbles and start a fresh. Looking and the Youth and Community schemes, from my view it seems this club is moving forward. We can take guesses as to what the income was last year but this is up to the club to let us know, and until we know the facts why not get behind everyone and support Welling, as UNITED fans.

 

 

Piss  up and brewery come to mind, aggressive abusive fans who previously slagged the hobbins off to their faces now lie in bed with them to further their egos. Nothing has changed, so why the turn around...

Answer me..

Russ?? Gavin? Matt? MarkX Mark D?? Mullan ... Answer me how can you go from saying

 

"Spend money, this is ****e, hobbins out " to

Oh how lovely it is come on down and donate money...

I just dont get it. But The club are happy as you lot cannot change your opinions again can you and you wouldnt dare do it or you will miss your prawn sandwiches and photos in the paper.

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To anon

 

Having been psyically threatened by said person i have no wish to meet him. I may have a few words to say about some of the things ive been told he has said.

He never seems to have things to say when i do bump in to him. When he leaves i will return, When they can provide a semi decent product i may return. When they invest SOME money and can at least compete with those in this league i may return.

'When they dont cerabraly masturbate certain fans ego's who have been proven trouble makers i may return.

 

Now im going to get hammered and cheer on the Italians.

 

Great Pre Season eh? Oh Adie has signed a cast off... striker.... may get about 8 goals next season. I dont blame Adie or Phil  or the Players... I blame GH. Or should that be the Chairman Paul Websdale? He is Chairman right?

Here Here Bruno

If only JGFC would stop making the same excuses and vist GH. Then maybe we could finally move forward.

and on and on and on and on and on

and on and on and on ad infinitum

bored!!!!!

 

So just shut up til you have something either constructive (doubtful) or different (doubtful) to say

Could say the same abiut you Harvey like a stuck record. And yet you are just an anon. made up name unknown to people who attacks anyone critiscing the club. on and on and on

Very classy interlectual post Harvey well done. Is being told to shut up a personal attack Bruno? Or do you now side with the club and those close to it now on being able to cause abuse?

I re-iterate my point when has Harvey ever posted anything that isnt designed to rip into me?

Hes a ****

 

see you next tuesday!

Another splendid veiled anonymous post with a few digs in it.

LMFAO

What a joke on and off the pitch.

No digs in that post.

Bruno was right, stop with the same posts and take a step forward.