JgFc wrote: What about the other issues with members of behind the goal gang posting abuse, punching fans, trying to drive wedges between supporters. Are these not important issues? Or because they appear to be anonymous (on forums) we ignore the problem and pretend they arent important?
JGFC if this is the case then this is the perfect material to discuss with GH.
Harvey, unless it is a serious message, leave it out.
JgFc wrote: Is being told to shut up a personal attack Bruno?
Not in my book - an undesireable comment agreed but not a personal attack.
JgFc wrote: Or do you now side with the club and those close to it now on being able to cause abuse?
I don't side with anybody and you and all regular posters ought to know that by now. I have opinions which are formed having looked at a situation, amassed as much information as I am able to do within the timeframe allowed and evaluated that information. That is not to say that I don't get things wrong, just that I don't take things at face value. For me personally the issue is what I consider not that 'x' says 'y' and I support 'x' so I must say 'y' too. Some of us just never grow out of the "Why?" phase!!!
This has recently given rise to my being seen by some as a disciple of JgFc and now apparently by you as siding with the Club but that's a price I am prepared to pay. Why the difference anyway?
Anonymous wrote: Does see you next Tuesday, mean you are going to visit the club?
Very droll
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Ive just had a nice one back from harvey so that makes us equal.
Thanks Harvey
Interesting in your forum post you mention TOM there, thats the point i am known and you are not and yet you attack any critiscism of the club and you have sprinkled your 40 message on here with slanging and attacks. MR ANON
And thanks bruno
In that case Shut up Harvey/MR ANON you add nothing except blinkered club love.
on and on and on and on
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Harvey give it a rest! Anyway, JGFC please why not visit the club to discuss matters. I'm sure many fans here don't always agree with the actions of people at the club yet they move on and support the players on the pitch. Why not also do so and lay this all to rest, put it in the past and move forward.
Reasonable point [edited bruno] I support the team. I spent over £300 on the huddersfield game. But i will not support the current owners on their performance and the way they run the club. That surely is my choice. I would love to have to say Well done The hobbins on promaotion to the Conference. I would look silly BUT i would love it.
-- Edited by bruno at 18:31, 2006-07-09
-- Edited by bruno at 18:41, 2006-07-09
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I'm sure a large majority of fans that attend Welling United matches don't like the owners, don't agree with their choices but there is nothing we can do about it.
We as fans have had enough of these unfounded posts, either meet with the owners or don’t bother posting. We cant take your opinions seriously when you havent been seen at Park View Road in a very long time.
And this is not a personal attack, as I would love to see another true fan at Park View Road, but if you can't move on then maybe its best if you dont come back.
As someone who knows Brentford quite well I can tell you that there is hardly any money for them to spend. I think the only money someone will make from them is if they get a knock on for the signing. At the end of last season the Bees had around £8 million worth of debt.
How can you have a pop at JgFc and post as anon?? Truly insane. To avoid being lumped in with Harvey/Spud and the JgFc bashers surely you could have made the effort to put your name (and not some anonymous). You make a fair point about not all fans like the owners or think they do things ok. But by the total anonymity all points are worthless.
You can't support Welling United like this. I'm sure a large majority of fans that attend Welling United matches don't like the owners, don't agree with their choices but there is nothing we can do about it. We as fans have had enough of these unfounded posts, either meet with the owners or don’t bother posting. We cant take your opinions seriously when you havent been seen at Park View Road in a very long time. Either move on or shut up.
Either way, can’t you see my point. This will only move forward if all parties are willing to meet and the first step surely lies with JGFC, the main protagonist. If Bruno post is correct and GH is willing to discuss matters with JGFC then why not take him up on his offer?
I cant understand why a Welling United fan wouldnt want to clear the air once and for all?
My only concern now is that if JGFC is not willing to move on then will Bruno be left with egg on his face?
If JGFC continues to post these accusations, guesstimates, about monies going into the club then surely this undermines the purpose of a forum about Football, but no more than a place to air one mans accusations that are unproven and unfounded.
If I was to post these kind of comments regarding so called disappearing money on another clubs forum Im sure it would be deleted extremely quickly, especially as we have no proof!
Well i think fair play to him, he says what others think but dont have the bottle. Sure he can go over the top and he rises to others bait but theres an element of truth in his spiel
Anonymous (Date: 18:02 Jul 10, 2006) wrote: If JGFC continues to post these accusations, guesstimates, about monies going into the club then surely this undermines the purpose of a forum about Football, but no more than a place to air one mans accusations that are unproven and unfounded.
If I was to post these kind of comments regarding so called disappearing money on another clubs forum Im sure it would be deleted extremely quickly, especially as we have no proof!
Football supporters in my experience have always wanted to know how income from transfers, cup runs, and not forgetting their hard earned paid out over the turnstiles, is spent. I personally see nothing inhertently wrong with this especially since the days of football being sports based have been overtaken by sport becoming big business. Whilst my personal opinion, which was posted before I took the Forum over, is that such discussions don't have a place on forums I can see that there is an argument for this as is borne out by the number of Forums carrying postings of this nature.
JgFc's postings, as far as I am aware, since I took the Forum over have carried his opinions/conjecture without direct accusation which would result in deletion or editing. Since the site is effectively monitored by the Club if this was not the case I'm sure I would have become aware by one means or another that I had slipped up.
As far as automatic deletion goes, the reality is that whilst this may happen on some Forums (and it is not possible to quantify this without surveying every site) there are plenty of forums carrying similar postings to those of JgFc. The reason for this is quite simply that the moderator either allows free speech, within the confines of the law, or they censor any contentious posts. I have always declared that, whatever my personal views on issues may be, I am firmly in the former camp despite the headaches that this brings.
Anonymous (Date: 18:21 Jul 10, 2006) wrote: Until he confronts the people that can answer these accusations then surely he cannot be allowed to continue with these posts.
I have made the point about repeated postings as a response to JgFc earlier in the thread. There may be an argument for deletion on the grounds of repetition and as the Forum develops I would not rule out this being implemented.
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Where as YOUR anonymous posts (and history of them) is smoothing the way isnt it. Snidey hands up "Oh Sir JgFc this JgFc that" You are anonymous ffs! YOUR view means nothing as you could be Harvey or anyone else or even Mr Hobbins.
I treat all anonymous posts as meaning NOTHING as they dont deserve any weight or respect.
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